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108 Responses to “Angel Heart 179-180, Berserk 315, Zetman 149”
’til next time! -_- Miura is worse than Togashi now in my opinion. 3 chapter spurts? I mean come on, even though Togashi takes longer breaks at least when he does come back we can count on 10 chapters minimum. Oh well. Again, ’til next time I suppose.
I would accept less art quality from Miura if it was to have at least two berserk chapters a month. At this point I just want the story of berserk to move forward and see how awesome will be the elf island.
I wouldn’t call being surrounded by countless leathal tentacles weak opponents… Besides that he isn’t alone. He can fight but what about Caska? Going Berserk may be a necissity in Gutts’ point of view.
And again I try to convince you: Don’t think of it as a filler! This arc, that is…
I can’t think of this latest batch of chapters as anything but filler considering the plot, as it stood before this batch, hasn’t progressed at all. A mermaid was introduced and we’re left with no indication of what, if any, her role will be from this point on. The journey to Elfheim was once again delayed by monsters, and Guts’ crew stood by and marveled at his awesome powar. Again. Oh, and Schierke sensed things were amiss. Like she does every chapter.
Unless the followup to this batch is some intense psychodrama involving Guts’ deep-seeded rage issues, I’m going to write it off as filler.
I can’t believe it… it’s the first time I yawned at a Berserk release!
I’m sorry but it’s starting to get really dull (the word filler has never been more appropriate), and the long breaks aren’t helping either (-.-)zzZ
Face it, guys! Miura raised the standard so high he can’t keep it up anymore. I’m sure he’s clueless as to how the story should proceed. Griffith’s got everything; monsters are everywhere; Casca’s ‘cuckoo’; Guts can’t even use the armor’s powers without help. All these are even harder on Miura if you take into considerations that what he actually wants to do is having another peek at that wiggly hentai thing.
urgh… you know, if he just did one chapter a month or even every other month, if it was REGULAR it wouldn’t be so damn frustrating. And unless the mermaid girl joins the party and becomes an instrumental figure in future chapters… why couldn’t we just have a few more awesome battles at sea and get to Elfheim already? I guess I’m just hoping that this will, in retrospect, fit into the overarching plot. But that retrospective is hard when it’s so erratic in release.
Well he evolved And that is ok. But why do we again see this same scene, overpowered by enemies he goes berserk and what…? Maybe this time he will keep his wits – that would be a major change. He does the killing and when his companions start to tremble he says: “Let’s move on” – and makes a happy face… But maybe that would be too boring, like he is the strongest and it does not have any side effects…
But I still believe that Miura will master the plot again, I am just bored with this inconsistency
So far no Berserk’s arcs can be considered “filler”, all have continued the story in some way and I think that this one will be no exception (and then the presence of fillers in any manga is very rare). The fact is that some arc bring great changes in the story – see the end of the war against the Kushan and the beginning of “dark age” with the merging of the realms- others less and more hidden -s ee “Lost “Children” with the attitude change of Guts coming back closer to his pre-eclipse, the introduction of Farnese, Serpico, Azan (only glimpsed at the end of the “golden age”) the pricipal religion of the Berserk’s world and the hidden Beast).
I also feel, but I could be wrong, that the adventure of the Guts’company on this island will be very short, perhaps among one chapter or two will reach its climax and will not be so long as the “war” against the trolls in the village and then in clifoto: we must remember that the pirates were introduced in the volume 28 as the recurring enemy for Guts in the final part of his journey to Skellig; now I think that they have reached their terminal.
Well I really do not get it why is everyone so keen on “Lost children” – that is one(imho) of very important parts where Guts choose his way…
And I agree on ‘no-fillers’ point of view.
All my ranting about Berserk is caused by very slow(even for my standards – I am very patient) releases by Miura.
You gotta love him, you gotta hate him…
As someone who has loved watching Guts build his own band of followers (which will be necessary since Griffith has built an entire ARMY of followers) and learn to open up again, I’m still not sure I want mermaid girl to join simply because what would she bring? We already have a girl who uses magic, she’d sort of be a spare… unless some twist is coming up. I could see her, with her ties to the sea, being a help in getting them to Elfheim, perhaps?
That said, I repeat: the slow pace wouldn’t bother me if it was REGULAR. I hate waits where I have no idea how long they will last. I lose track of the story in the meantime. Although I suppose it gives me time to catch up purchasing the manga, which I am WAY behind on.
@ random person
Genrally mermaids can be pretty interesting, they are sea living creatures and thus very alien to land dwellers, the outer resemblence to humans in contrast to their inhuman conduct, which might only become obvious over time, leading to a growing feeling of alienation, makes them very promissing roles for every fantasy story.
Of course, to be interesting they have to be done right, which isn’t easy and probably far to much for most manga authors, but I think that Miura is an author good enough to create such an (complex) role of that nature.
On the other hand that would require lots of work and would take much fokus away from guts (and all the other chars). Which would be pretty bad regarding the slow pace the series already has.
And I too think that, if she is limited to be just another a sea living sorceress, there is no real need for her.
The problem that people are experiencing is that Miura has been coming out with releases that have no character development, and has not for a while. What made Berserk so great was the interior struggles of the characters (especially Guts). For multiple releases–basically since Guts fell into the water and almost drowned saving Caska–there has been no character development, only action.
On the issue of the pirate ship, yes, I believe it has lasted too long for it’s own worth. The idea of the haunted pirate ship with the annoying comic-relief sea captain has been stretched too far for how sparse the releases are. If I had never seen the pirate ship again after Guts defeated it I would have been fine.
Miura is facing the same problem that R. A. Salvatore faced with Drizzt Do’Urden: once a protagonist gets so powerful (as in Guts with his berserk rage and defeating huge demon gods) and Drizzt with his superior, peerless swordsmanship and killing large demons and dragons, there comes a point when it isn’t so amazing anymore when they kill lesser creatures. This is so with the pirate ship.
As a reader who loves Berserk and adores Guts and his personal battles and inner strife, I want him to fight huge creatures that have MEANING. The pirate is completely random and unrelated. Remember in the past how with each apostle it became personal? There were stories behind each apostle, and when they came in contact with Guts it had some EMOTIONAL meaning behind the violence, not simply violence for violence.
This manga is becoming like an arcade game where Guts has to fight boss after boss until he “gets to griffith”. This is NOT what Berserk got its beauty and power from. In the past, battles were not so random and seemingly pointless, but now they come with increasing frequency.
So far, in my opinion, ever since the world turned into Fantasia, the arc has become something lesser. Apostles were rare in the past, and the demons haunted Guts every night. Now that there are a million fantastical creatures, fights have less meaning (because they are NOT tied to the Eclipse). Thus, with so many “potential” opponents that Guts could fight, Miura needs to be very picky with who he makes Guts battle, and in this sense, he has gone off into the “fail zone”.
Someone above said “I yawned after this installment, and I feel bad, but I really did!”
This is because Berserk is being reduced to a DragonBall Z-esque bracket. Fight boss after boss, power up, come close to dying or failing but coming through with the help of allies–This is SO not why Berserk was amazing. The arc is going to shit just as Claymore went to shit—bosses, more bosses and powering up.
Sorry for the reiteration, it simply seems like Miura has lost his original vision, or is being killed by his unrelenting drawing and composing schedule–I can understand how a deadline will make you create with less enthusiasm and creativity. Or, perhaps he has no idea where he wants to take the story and is stalling until he comes up with the right path for him. Who knows. I am grateful for Berserk, but am concerned with its increasing degeneration.
I agree with rebedia. Nice way of putting things by the way, much more accurate than ‘filler’. It’s not only the story that do not evolve anymore, it’s the characters themselves.
I really hope the purpose of this island is not just adding the half-mermaid to the group. Schierke is cute but come on, do we need another one ? Guts will end up only baby-sitting women and kids, that’s stupid.
The crazy thing is, you say “every since Fantasia started,” but that’s been less than one volume. Seriously. This actually hasn’t been going on very long, it’s just that chapters have been soooooooo spaced out, over two whole years, that it FEELS like this has been going on for volumes and volumes. If he could release with any regularity, once a month or something, we might’ve been out of this admittedly-weak arc in less than a year.
From what I understood, of course I could be wrong, is not exactly the anger/hatred that allows Guts of losing control of the armor, but rather the will in battle to free his istincts to kill and destroy whatever reason http:/ / view.thespectrum.net/series/berserk-chapter-277-282.html? ch = Volume +28 & page = 78.
Imho the name “Berserker armor” indicates not only the mental state that the armor causes, but also that required to use it (and for this reason I don’t think that the armor could be used by anyone as many believe): Puck defines Guts a berserker just in the first chapter.
Even when not motivated by anger or revenge, Guts knows that pushed from the battle he can make real massacres (see the Adon’s 100 soldiers or that of the trolls in the clifoto, just to give some examples of Guts’massacres where it was not, least primarily, revenge or hatred the reason for their): in this last chapter. Guts left voluntarily that the armor taking over on him in an attempt to protect Casca and his companions.
Certainly anger/hatred can unleash the beast inside of Guts and “activate” the armor (eg. the desire for revenge on Griffith http://view.thespectrum.net/series/berserk-chapter-277- 282.html? Ch = Volume +28 & page = 25), but only because the consequence of these feelings lead Guts to want to kill and destroy.
Man, he is only going berserk because of the mentions of ‘ascending’, and more importantly ‘feast’. He’s pretty calm until the captain tells the tentacles to go to town on his friends, obviously reminiscent of Griffith’s ascension.
You’re right, as I read the chapter I also noticed how the words of the Pirate drawing the eclipse and the monstrous banquet (which is the current situation), but now I had forgotten this detail.
So again the hatred of Guts had a role in the release of the beast and the use of the armor, but the scene in which Guts Caska looks before the “transformation” makes me think that the first reason was still a voluntary, and overall conscious, act to free his istincts, and if he wanted this time had no problems to restrain its use.
Damn, this was a surprise. I didn’t expect anything so I got 3 chapters at once Anyway not much going on… sadly. Miura needs a break of few years, like GRRM. Better less stuff and better than more and of that only fillers.
Why would he need idea ? For crying out loud, we are waiting for Caska to come back for years ! Her relationship with guts is a formidable source of inspiration, you only have to read the end of book 9 and begining of book 10 to see what it could be. Hell he should do an entire volume just on her comeback!
It’s not like he lacks ideas for the plot, everything is there. It’s just he do not want to go there yet, and I find it very hard to understand.
From the Skullknight’s interview to Miura (dated april 2009)
Q1: To the readers, Guts as a character has grown tremendously in the past few years, but how much time has elapsed in the Berserk world since the end of the Golden Age arc in Volume 14? (i.e. Lost Children – Millennium Falcon)
R1: I’d say it’s been 3-4 years, though it’s not been clearly decided.
So Guts, that at the time of the eclipse was 19 years old, now should be 22-23 years old.
Sure, I just can’t guarantee we’ll live long enough to see that happen
You know… when people complain about the “fillers”, it’s because they know the plot is huge enough that it can hardly allow for additional “side-quests”. Of course there’s always the fact that they’re afraid Miura could drop the whole thing at a certain stage.
Were is not for this reason, I think even these “fillers” would be welcome, as long as their art is this great and their script is decent…
I find it ridiculously stupid how people are complaining over Miura’s latest plot developments yet continue to read chapter after chapter.
When I grow tired of a story, I bitch for a bit, close the book and find something worthwhile. Simple.
While Miura welcomes the feedback, I doubt he believes any of it. He continues to do as he pleases, much to the elite fans disgust.
I got better things to read in a sec. This unrelenting criticism is tiresome. It’s analogous to untreated bullimia in that respect. You take in the new content, only to forcibly reject it because of some intellectual discrepancy on how a manga storyline should be.
That’s like saying once something beautiful is sullied, move on. Or when something once great is not so great anymore, that it’s time to focus on something different and good.
Yes, Miura has set a precedent, and yes, we expect him to hold to that because we Love Him for it. Simply because we haven’t totally liked his newest stuff doesn’t mean one has to “move on”. What ever happened to the spirit of debate; conversation? It allows us to evaluate the source material and discern its problems, and what could be better with it. If everyone simply “moved on” then no one would know why they don’t like something, and active processeses in the brain about content would cease to exist.
On a side note, debating about plot and action is a great way to figure out what WE as artists (the few that are) would like to do in our own work. When you care about something, you don’t pick it up, use it, and move on—you become passionate about it, love to talk about it, and will defend and tear it down for this reason.
I agree, that if something has gone bad, especially something as “trivial” as reading manga online, that people should move on to better things. But that statement presupposes that they don’t, and that simply isn’t true. People will do what they need to, and it isn’t as if the folks discussing the finer points of Miura’s composition on The Black Swordsman sit at home all day and freak about Berserk; trolling all the websites and drinking Red Bull. At least most of us, I think.
there always has to be that guy who ruins a good rant. Thankfully we have darker than black here who sees common sense and gives praise where its due.
retards on the internet dont appreciate wisdom or wise advice. go back to /b/ because its the only place awesome enough to welcome you.
Aazealh: “Berserk won’t be in YA #17 (released on August 27), but Miura will be the subject of the first episode of some new study project by Nico Nicholson that will be featured in that issue. So we might get a glimpse of his working process.”
They need a new Berserk game for the PS3. I would pay 400 bucks for that thing. Even if it was just a dynasty warriors clone like what they did with the Gundam games. If they did it better than that cool, but either way I would dump my student loan for the term on it. Lol move support would be pretty awesome for that mega badass sword of his too.
A game about the the Golden Age Arc and the Black Swordsman Arc with a lot of battles and new monsters unseen in the manga… They obiously did something in those 3 year, 1 year, 2 year in between storylines… Though speculation appart… no game being announced as in development yet…
He isn’t taking a break, it’s merely that the next chapter features a sack full of rice exploding. In front of a dragon. On a ship. On the high seas. In front of a fire. Miura is simply taking his time carefully drawing and shading each grain of rice flying through the air as it passes in front of the dragon who’s skin must be meticulously scaled and veined on the boat that must have every rope thread drawn, every iron ring properly rusted and every tree ring present and properly aligned in each frame, checked for continuity while the hundreds of waves are added and shaded, to say nothing of the flames and smoke and the individual hairs and blackheads on the faces of the terrified crewmen all of this no doubt essential to telling the story he aims to tell.
And when you see it you will say, “surely if the Renaissance masters had sketched a sack of rice exploding on a burning boat caught in a storm while a man with a sword as big as he is fights a dragon, it would have looked like this panel. Or this panel. Or any of these 30 others. Also, muttonchops.”
The man is telling a STORY, people. And to do that we NEED to see that the man who just got eaten by a snake-monster after appearing in 14 panels had one dark side burn hair on the right side of his face that probably amused him while shaving for years and that needs to be consistently shown!
Word has it (on the obi of the latest volume release of Berserk) that a new Berserk anime is in the works–which would explain the delays. There’s also been some supposed leakage of new art for the anime (which looks awesome! IMHO)