» Posted August 7th, 2006 by psi29a
Just another tid-bit to get you guys through the week.
*grin* Begin the speculation now!
In other news, I’ve updated the tracker code and the list is now up on the right hand side. This should help those that said they couldn’t download the torrents. Just to let it be official, we do not update our past posts with updated torrents. It would be too time consuming. We however _NEVER_ just get rid of releases, most of the time it is either because we:
So there ya have it, what you see on the right hand side is exactly the same as what is listed at http://bt.evil-genius.us so there shouldn’t be any confusion.
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August 7th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
o^__^o
I’m really passionate about Berserk resleases, and reading Berserk. IMHO I guess thats just my thing. Keep up the good work. I love ya!
August 7th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
Looks like a the Berserk version of the classical King Kong. We’ve got the helicopters surrounding the Fuzzy, and Jane lying seductively across the rubble.
August 7th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
WOOOOOOOOOOOOT
I can’t these next few days, well maybe I can BUT THAT’S NOT THE POINT. Keep up the good work. Love the releases.
August 7th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Looks awsome, i am all edgy to read the next chapter…Keep up the great work EG
August 7th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
omfg looks like zod is gonna rape gutz! and he already got pwned as a kid… oh, such a sad tale.
August 7th, 2006 at 11:04 pm
WOW…I hope finally gatts and zodd can fight, I remember that the 2 last real fights betwen they was in Dreamcast ( kinda hard to win) and in PS2 Berserk -Milenium Falcon!!!
And thx u guys for amazing effort !!
August 7th, 2006 at 11:06 pm
Hell Yea !
Hail Evil Genius
Hail Berserk
August 7th, 2006 at 11:31 pm
i don’t think they’re gonna fight, gatts looks completely wasted. i think zodd will spare him and then take off.
August 8th, 2006 at 12:02 am
Maybe Griffi will stop Zodd? Or the emperor is not dead?
August 8th, 2006 at 6:20 am
I’m guessing Punisher will make a guest appearance and bullets will rain down with fury.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:02 am
I can’t see the damn text. Just wanted to post this
August 8th, 2006 at 9:34 am
FoxWar,,
i believe that the emperor is not dead. Only his spell was broken… =P
And why griffith should appear? Don’t forget.. he’s pure evil now!
August 8th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
Griffith is pure evil now eh…Reread berserk and try looking between the lines a bit… Griffith is neither pure evil nor pure good, I think he’s pure for doing nothing but working towards his dream, whatever the cost… neither good nor evil.
August 8th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Is this gunna be another MEGA release? I hope so, I wanna see whats happening in Zetman
August 8th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
Response to Etsp; one can’t do whatever the hell they want to just because they want to achieve their dreams. You can’t justify your actions by saying they are just a means to reach your goal or dream. If that were the case you can’t judge Stalin, Hitler, Mao, or any criminal/rapist/murderer… they were just trying to achieve their goals, right? Under your perspective, any system of judgment would collapse and anyone can do whatever they want, thus bringing a society of chaos. haha. just wanted to say that.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:30 pm
@Moondo: In Berserk as well as our own history, Might makes Right… to the victor goes the history. We only judge Stalin, Hitler, Mao and others because we have an equal amount or more might than they to enforce our view of them being evil. Far from me to play revisionist history, we came very close to a) speaking german and b) speaking russian. To say that we didn’t because we where inherently ‘good’ is niave.
The world isn’t black and white, and neither is Berserk. Look at the character development, obviously there is redemable value in the antaganists. Look at Guts in the first 3 volumes, we have a little girl swearing that one day she will be powerful enough to destroy Guts because of his percieved ‘evil’.
Griffith is no more, Femto took his place and Femto is part of the God-Hand which was created by the Idea of Evil to inact the subconcious yearnings of man-kind to justify why there is so much ‘Evil’ in the world.
Depending on what side of the fence you are, Griffith is both the Saviour/Whitehawk and Demon/Blackhawk.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:27 pm
hey yo guys you all are wrong…
dont forget it zodd admires gats … i think that zodd its going to protect gats from the others monters …
if you take a good look you’ll see zodd protectinng guts frm the monsters…
its kinda nice .. isn’t it?
August 9th, 2006 at 1:51 am
I can be easily persuaded to make a mega release again if I am subjected to loads of money.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:43 am
zodd is kneeling infront o guts. simple as that
August 9th, 2006 at 5:07 pm
does anyone know where to get raws?
August 9th, 2006 at 8:11 pm
right and wrong are concepts thought of by us humans. They derive from laws who again derive from fear.
Why did we create laws in the first place? to ensure that nothing bad happens to us and so that It can be law and order. It is natural for us to seek safety, which also becomes evident in maslow’s pyramid of needs.
We see stalin and hitler as evil because their acts were a moral violation of what a majority of people thought. What griffith did will be percieved by many to be evil, though his willpower and determination enabled him to pursue that goal. WIll is what separates worldchangers from sixpack joes.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:43 pm
what the hell why is he kneeling down!!?
August 10th, 2006 at 12:10 am
@psi29a: I think at some point you have to draw the line between what’s good and what’s not. It isn’t and shouldn’t be based solely on who has the most might or power and so shouldn’t be judged that way when we look back at it in history. Personally I don’t believe the relentless torturing of human beings can ever be justified as good.
Back to the general dissussion about The Hawk, he is just an asshole, simple as that. The fact that he sacrificed his buddies makes him a bad person. Though is it that different to send men to their dooms through war than it is through branding them to hell? I really don’t know. Something like that can’t happen in real life.
August 10th, 2006 at 1:02 am
Lfe: You know, oddly enough berserk has shown us a similar situation to the Spanish Inquisition. “I don’t believe the relentless torturing of human beings can ever be justified as good.” and yet “good” is what the inquisition thought they were. It’s all about point of view. From Griffith’s point of view, whats a couple hundred more lives to have his dream within reach when tens of thousands have already died to get him there. I’m sure part of his reasoning for his accepting the god-hand’s proposal was that he felt he didnt want to waste the sacrifice made by those ten thousand. Is griffith evil from the protagonist’s point of view? Hell yeah… is griffith evil from his own point of view… well, we dont know for sure what griffith thinks about his actions as he isnt very vocal about them = /
August 10th, 2006 at 1:02 am
oh, and WOOT! only one more day
August 10th, 2006 at 1:44 am
hey i kno this has nothin to do with berserk but i wanted to kno if u guys know anythin about tenjou tenge. basically what i want to kno is if the manga continues where the anime left off. i saw that u guys translated some of it so thats why im askin. any information at all would be helpful, thanks
August 10th, 2006 at 1:48 am
Thanks guys for the berserk chapters, cam´t wait to read the next chapter.
August 10th, 2006 at 3:04 am
Etsp: Totally agree but don’t you think since we lie outside of their religious dogma and their point of views that we may objectively say they did something bad? Like’s the outsider’s point of view. I can see how The Hawk’s own men thinks he’s good (maybe not zodd) and his enemies thinks he’s evil but like you said that’s a matter of point of view.
What it really comes down to is do we have the god like ability to examine something without bias and make judgements or are we always stuck at looking at things through a certain perspective. If we always see things in a perspective and right and wrong changes throughout time then we can never know for certain if something is right.
I’m not fully on any one side but I like to think there are certain things-no matter the circumstance-if they’re done it constitutes as crossing the line between right and wrong. Where I draw that line differs from someone else and maybe all the characters draw that line differently but that’s where the fun begins
August 10th, 2006 at 3:29 am
Not that this should be part of berserk comments but good and evil, makes no difference, its all a matter of one simple thing. What is perceived as evil by those who are in POWER, will be subjected to punishment. What is perceived as good by the same people in power will by subjected to reward. But it all comes down to this what is good and evil as perceived by those in power (defenitions will vary depending on where you are), and how far is one willing to push the boundries of good and evil. If your standards are higher for either side ultimately you will lean towards that side no matter what anybody says.
August 10th, 2006 at 4:05 am
People are making a big deal out of nothing.
Griffith=evil.
Don’t try and take an amoral outlook on this, it’s simple. It is obvious throughout the entire freaking current arc of the manga that Griffith is still just as evil as he was during the Ceremony. To further show it’s not a simple ambition, he raped Casca as pure revenge upon Guts, neither pleasure nor lust nor dream was his reason for that, JUST an act of taunting revenge. You could argue “he will do whatever it takes to accomplish his dream”, whatever, Femto is not the same Griffith you “know and love”. It’s Griffith, and…he’s evil. Big difference.
August 10th, 2006 at 4:46 am
I wouldn’t agree that those in power define the moral rules. What’s right and what’s wrong is decided by the society, and it does differ from one to another. Aztecs had no problems with massive human sacrifices. Our world is nowdays mostly dominated by the christian moral standards, but that doesn’t mean it is the only good and right one.
Most of the main characters from Berserk are in the gray moral zone, looked from our perspective, that is why I like this manga.
I think the moral standards in Berserk are lower than in our world. First, the apostles lower them considerably, and then since monsters really exist, fighting them can be used as an excuse to do nearly anything.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:54 am
Oh, damm… I will go on holydays just that day! I won’t see this at least 27…
I really like Berserk… Ey, about that of Inquisition, is true, i`m from spain, and, in all i read, these two things are very similar… For bad luck..
PS: Not, i’m not too good writing xD
August 10th, 2006 at 8:26 am
@Zac: TenTen was picked up by another group, we may revisit it again if they don’t provide but so far they are doing alright.
@Tyler: You the reader can make the leap that Griffith is evil and that is ok. We over here on the translating & editing side will dissagree with you on how simplisitic the outlook it.
To break it all down, ‘good’ and ‘evil’ do not exist but only as stated above as ‘social norms’. However, when you exercise ‘Might’ you often get to makes the rules. For example: Roman conquest of England. Spanish conquest of the Incas (Pizzaro) and the Aztecs (Cortez). The Spanish Inquesition is another one, read the above posts for that one as it re-invisioned in Berserk many times.
Mozgus while we see Miura paint him as plain ‘ol bat shit crazy (and later Apostle) many of his ‘faith’ followers believed him allowed the torturing of human beings. Don’t write that off as fantasy, but far _WORSE_ was done during the Spanish Inquesition.
As and aside, watch the movie ‘Name of the Rose’ which is an absolutely great film that takes place during that time period.
Back on track though, if you disagree with me, that is ok. Just know that many more people think you are wrong and you will inevitiablly fail out anything history related at University.
Miura didn’t just think this shit up on his own, he watches the news and reads history books almost all day long and then creates the world of Berserk following the ideas he gets from them. The Interviews (do a google search) are really englightening.
Also, if you would like to get into this more… head on over to http://forums.mindwerks.net .
August 10th, 2006 at 9:23 am
I agree psi29.Griffith is not that clearly bad.But that for sure he hates Gatt that is why he rapped Caska…And no need to come back to inquisition to see horrible things.Look all war there is none without tortur.
Ps:Psi29 the french translator is horrible :/ worse than my english that is to say…(there is no sense is half of phrase)
Thanks for the hard work I love Berserk
August 10th, 2006 at 9:35 am
Right oh!
We all love Berserk here… so without further adou, I’ll camp my scanner get us that raw. ^_^;;
August 10th, 2006 at 9:35 am
Great points Psi – except about the Spanish Inquisition. If you want examples of might making right Spain and the Inquisition isn’t the way to go.
The complete and total absense of prosecution for US warcrimes in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam might be a good palce to start though.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:46 am
Tyler… reread berserk and try picking up on the more subtle hints about why Griffith raped caska… if you notice, griffith doesnt appear in the normal world until AFTER caska’s child is put into that egg guy… and also look at the way griffith reflects upon his encounter with caska… there was a definite purpose for him raping her, and that was to regain a (semi) human body. I say reread berserk over and over again… because there are many things that you simply dont notice the first time you read it, but after you read it again, it becomes more clear.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:34 pm
@Etsp
No, I think -you- need to re-read
It’s a common misconception that Griffith/Femto did it because of his lust for Casca (as shown in the dream sequences and his “frustration” with them having a relationship, is this what you are referring to?)
Secondly, the child isn’t Femto’s, it’s GUTS. Femto did not create it, so again, you read to deeply. Another common misconception. Femto tainted the egg of the child, again, not done to “harm” Casca or purely to regain his material form, not to mention Casca was USELESS to Femto. There’s a certain quote before Femto’s turn, there is only ONE person who stuck out. This above all else motivates his rape of Casca, to torment Guts. You read too much into the child, and again, it only exists period because of Guts+Casca, Femto just used it as an opportunity (Again, what point during his return at the Tower does the Behelit Apostle do ANYTHING to indicate the child was there because of “causiality” or “fate”, nothing.)
If you don’t understand this, again, it’s -you- who needs to be re-reading.
Thirdly, Griffith did NOT protect Casca, it was the child’s heart still beating inside him, something he had not counted on. He did NOT save Casca for himself, rather, it was (clearly) the instincts of the child within, an element to Griffith’s surprise was still there after his transcendence into the material world. This cause’s him to leave the Hill of Swords, out of SHOCK. It is -perfectly- clear “Femto” (He still IS Femto, this has not changed), he is just as tainted as any apostle/God Hand member, he is not the same, and Guts knows this, it is just a facade.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:47 pm
Sorry to double comment, forgot to add:
To everyone else, listen, the point is Griffith is NOT the same. He is not the same man doing “Whatever it takes” to get his dream. There is a -crystal- clear distinction between “Femto” and “Griffith”, a very NOTICEABLE one. He -has- been corrupted/tainted/become evil. How is there no debate for such?
Why, the IDEA of EVIL itself! Everything that Griffith has been lead up to was due to what the IOE wants, which I personally believe, is to knock humanity down to the most miserable existence possible (why? He states he exists for humans begging reasons for their suffering.) Again, whatever reason Griffith is allowed to move on with his “dream” is due to the idea of evil’s OWN wishes (as to why can be anything and everthing speculatory, yet..) again, it’s IN his name.
EVIL. Whatever the IOE wants is something of EVIL intent, thus whatever Griffith accomplishes=benefits EVIL. Now you can debate what philosophers have been doing for centuries, that’s all good. But bottomline, Femto was evil. Griffith IS still Femto. He did not transcend back to his old self to pursue his dream, he is Griffith+evil mind/powers/abilities=dream pursuit. It’s not simply “Griffith Reborn” (because he WASN’T reborn).
Now you can debate from your own perspective what is right/good/evil/bad/lol and it doesn’t change anything, the writer (Miura) intends for people to realize that Griffith is EVIL, if what he was doing was up for amoral debate, Guts would be another typical whiny crappy emo bastard of a character screaming “WAIIIIIIIII, GRIFFITH WE LOVED YOU T_T” every five seconds. We’re not expected to level on the line for the G-man, he’s evil, he deserves everything that comes to him, and Guts will make him pay what he owes. There’s not going to be a point where they reach some mutual understanding and shake hands and take a new perspective, sorry.
ON THE FUCKING TOPIC, finally, sorry for my delays. My speculation on that is basically on par with everyone else’s, Zodd will most likely “spare” Guts this time in some form or fashion, I doubt he’ll use the opportunity to commence Buttsecks.
Keep up the good release-work!
August 10th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
Sweet ^_^ . Yes, IOE is ‘evil’ for a reason and through IOE is Femto and thus Femto is evil. Let us not forget that IOE said to Griffith before the transformation ‘Do as you like.’ emplying that while IOE is manipulating events so that there is only one logical conclusion Femto and God-Hand in general are free to do as they wish.
However, the entire point of IOE existance is because of the Human subconcious yearning for a reason to while there is so much evil in the world. (Read the lost chapter.) As such, it is not an absolute ‘Evil’ but as what humans collectively consider evil. So in the end, we get back to the ‘social norms’ of what people perceve as evil. This is obvious considering that some people view ‘neo-griffith’ as a saviour and yet Guts and crew see him as a out-right bastard.
Great conversations though, I’m impressed by the quality and level of discussion here. We have a lot more of this over at the forums.
August 10th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
Looks like Zodd is protecting Guts. To me, it looks like electricity or something surrounding Zodd. Or it could be Schierke shooting something at Zodd. Either way… I can’t wait!
August 10th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
cheers
lol
August 10th, 2006 at 5:01 pm
@psi29a
Yeah, “Evil” in general, you can cut it down to the social norms, IE what is defined as evil/right/wrong etc, which is what everyone is doing right now about this topic.
Problem is, whatever the general consesus for “Evil” happens to be, the IOE is providing them with their reasons now (again, you waned them, bam, here they are. Enjoy) There is nothing but specualtion as to why the IOE is doing this, self-purpose, a wish for omnipotency, or if there is another body (Idea of good?) again, speculation, nothing concrete.
What IS concrete deals with the idea being “Evil”. It accepts the typecasting, it doesn’t argue it and if anything (again) spurs it forward. “Femto” is a direct result of this, and just take a look at anything and everything “Apostle/God Hand”, I’d say it’s pretty freaking evil (if anyone wants to argue another perspective, why let’s take the count, or even Wyald/Wild! Clearly, torturing and eating children while raping women and dismembering families can be seen from new perspectives!)
Again, all these forms of “evil” are done so to the will of “IOE”. It’s already defined, it’s not trying to make us break down the walls of moral code or Nietzsche’s ubermensch, what is there is there. Femto was created out of evil to do evil things, therefore=Griffith’s an evil bastard who won’t like Guts when he is angry.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:27 pm
There is no such thing as the Idea of Good. Not even mentioned or talked about in the manga.
The Idea of Evil was laid our concretely in the Lost Chapter as coming into existance by the collective will of the human subconcious to have an explination for all the evil they find in the world.
IOE does NOT force people to do evil. It’s intent is soley to manipulate events in such a way that individuals only have one obvious path to follow. That being said, they probably don’t see what they are doing as evil… to them, it is justified at this point because of the groundwork provided by IOE.
Bottomline: Evil and Good in absolute terms do not exist in Berserk. However, what humans of Berserk believe to be evil is what Idea of Evil came into existance as. It is very easy to paint Guts as an evil villian. All you have to do is read the first 3 volumes.
Berserk is so much more than ‘Good’ vs. ‘Evil’ and it is shame that people think that is what the story is about when it’s characters are so many interesting shades of grey. Sonya and Mule are obviously affiliated with the neo-band of the hawk, that paints them as neither ‘evil’ nor ‘good’.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
1)as for the idea of good, I didn’t say there was such a thing, yet it’s not exactly impossible (again, if one side is formed, there can be another opposing side, yet this is most likely not happening and there’s no reason for such). Keep in mind you are wholly unaware of the idea of evil UNTIL it is revealed)
2)I never said it forced people to do anything. As you said with that one obvious “evil” path, but at are you talking about?
You sorta just proved my point, they aren’t FORCED to do anything, they give up sacrifices and other human beings for their selfish desires, willingly (as Griffith did as well). They have to “make” these evil choices themselves without even contacting the idea of evil (to my knowledge, God Hand is the only force capable of such, apostles fall too low on the chain of command). Again, even the name is self-explanatory, it just so happens God’s will is “evil”, not good.
4)Again, see above, I never mentioned anything “absolute”, just things should be more clear than others, it’s not as “foggy” as some are making it out to be.
5)By whose defintion? You’ve confused me a little, by the people “in” Berserk, of course. Yet if you are speaking reader wise for Guts, this is very inaccurate.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
Etsp,,
I think he’s the same guy that took Caska in front of Guts’ eyes.. the guy that dont have any consideration in his friends.. if you look backwards you’ll see that he had some(some)
You say to me read between the lines a bit… but you should do it and see that Griffith has changed after receive the name Femto
Why a lot of blood comes out of gut’s neck when he is near of Femto?
He has a huge amount of evil, but he’s like the same..
You can understand it when you see the apostles dying(like that king, the second apostle that appeared in manga).. they dont lose/change theirselves completely, but the they receive the evil in their heart.
Now Femto is a superior being without the weakness(a least we dont know), but indeed he is griffth yet
August 10th, 2006 at 7:22 pm
Etsp and others,,
sorry for my english..
August 10th, 2006 at 8:33 pm
I am wondering what will happen the human Guts? He got that pouncher in his chest and who really know what other injuries. I think the last time Guts ended like this was either during the first eclipse or after the lost childern arc. Maybe Zodd sees this man to be almost something worthy of being called his equal even though Guts is human he challenges things that are over Zodds capabilitys and survived……..for those that wanted plot developement you will soon get it!
August 10th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
thanks for the our berserk of each day..
August 10th, 2006 at 10:06 pm
@Seishi, don’t worry about your English, there are people who use it as a primary language and butcher it!
I think he’s the same guy that took Caska in front of Guts’ eyes.. the guy that dont have any consideration in his friends.. if you look backwards you’ll see that he had some(some)
1) You are exactly right, the same guy who took Casca (Femto) is Griffith. He has not changed (this is shown in his tone, actions and even his eyes) At the hill of swords, Griffith only visits to see if there is -anything- left over from sacrificing his comrades, only out of curiosity, not doubt. It could be said he also knew Guts would be arriving there (he states -loosely- that he was “sorry” for not being able to talk at that moment).
2) As you said, Femto is Griffith. They are one and the same. There is no difference other than physical form (Again, it is a facade.)
3)As you said with the neck, this further demonstrates the point. Femto’s powers, presence, “aura” and “Evilness” are ALL intact in his new “body”. This is the only thing to have changed.
4)You nailed it perfectly, the apostles and Griffith all “accept” the evil/selfish desires within their heart.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:20 pm
I thought Zodd was human. locus thinks he’s a man of bottemless depths.
evil people doing good things, good people doing evil things…it gets so confusing.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
Just a heads up gang, the raw is being translated as we speak. We at a release in next 24 hours. Get some sleep.
August 11th, 2006 at 3:09 am
24 hours? (vader yell)
IFE, Zodd is an apostle, he’s just one of the few who uses his power for something simple (searching for the Ultimate Strong One, which has now been found in Griffith/Femto and thus serves him)
August 11th, 2006 at 6:15 am
Isnt Zod searching for the strongest one so that he could die by the hands of a stronger one. Serving Grifit is prolly the same reason why the others serve him, to kill as much as posible. Butt still, i wonder when he wil tell about his past, how he became an apostle and why.
August 11th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
I pretty much think Zodd’s search for the “USO” is officially over. He recognized Griffith as such for removing his horn (aka, defeating him) and in a sense “bowed down” to him, he submitted his “use” to Griffith’s cause for this (i’m not entirely sure, it’s been awhile and I can’t remember it all, yet I’m assuming that, someone else can clearify)
Zodd isn’t on a death-wish either, I don’t think he’s the “Fortune” of Berserk, he’s not looking for someone capable of killing him (otherwise, he would have let Griffith do it for him, or Guts/Skull Knight for the matter) he’s just looking for worthy combat, and has been doing such for over 300 years (to my knowledge). He still respects Guts to a degree, which may lead to the events of this chapter in his favor.
August 11th, 2006 at 3:35 pm
Hurry!!!!!!!!!!
August 11th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
@karl
Hush now, patience!
August 11th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Maybe I am completly wrong(I am very often wrong)but I think that the history of gutt can t be completly understand without the story of the skullguy and zodd one(since i guess there are link in some way)Moreover gutts and zodd aren t truly ennemie to my point of view they don t have the same target.And Zodd like gutts and maybe…(i won t say anything else or everyone will disagree :p)
To put in a nutshell I think that Femto won t loose by only gatts hand(i count his allies with him).And I think we surely don t know enought to be sure of anything right now(but it is still my point of view)
ps:sorry for my english(I am french that is why I said ealier that the translation got no sense at all lol)
August 11th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Emem, you are right. Guts has relied on Skull Knight before, and has (in a sense) been “spared” by Zodd multiple times now. I highly doubt Guts will be the only one to battle Femto (in the sense that he does it without ANYONE’s help) But I will foresee Femto “losing” to the hand of Guts alone.
August 11th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
It looks like Zodd’s horn broke in this upcoming chapter. Either that or gut’s sword shattered- look at the pieces on the ground. What do u think they are?
August 11th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
did any one ever think that my been viod and the skull knight where once friends?
like guts and femto?
August 11th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
I think that thing that floats around and wears that mask will kill the Hawk.
Tyler: where’s your proof that zodd is an apostle and not some demonic warlord.
August 11th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
karl: it has been speculated for a long time now and fleshed out in detail in the forums since it’s inception in 2004 and longer at sk.net since 2003… and longer still since the mid 1990′s. You wouldn’t be alone.
August 11th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
I agree Karl that is for sure skull and viod know each other…But to say they were friend I don t know…I hope all story are different.
Lfe the proof is zodd can transform himself and i am pretty sure it is said at least once in the manga that zodd is an apostle…
August 11th, 2006 at 6:26 pm
rember when they where going to save griffen from the town and they where talking about the king, and caska drops the torch and we see all the bodys?
think of this… what if viod is the king and the skull king is really just some guy like guts and not the king
August 11th, 2006 at 6:27 pm
karl: there is a connection, but for right now everything is speculation and talked about already. We won’t know more until Miura gives us more so it is pointless to speculate.
http://forums.mindwerks.net we cover this in the berserk section’s FAQ.
August 11th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
upload it dammit
August 11th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
karl: pardon?
August 11th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
sorry I just want to read
August 11th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
re: Karl
Patience is a virtue. =)
Though, I’m loading this page much too frequently. =/
August 11th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
Then wait, we are not done yet.
Manors are important, as we are quick to anger and have no problems banning IPs.
August 11th, 2006 at 7:10 pm
sorry DEAR GOD DON:T BAN ME!!!
XD
August 11th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
^_^ just a friendly warning… we have had to put up with a lot of loser shit on IRC already.
You all should read our rant threads on the forums, once we take a step back… it is hillarious.
August 11th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
^_^
hey whoo! friendly. Let me sell some cds to some friends of mine and I will donate some money~
August 11th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Zodd shouldn’t be an apostle otherwise Gatts would spray blood from his neck as soon as Zodd gets close, and as far as I know there haven’t been any scenes depicting Gatts having a brand reaction to Zodd; if I’m wrong just let me know though.
August 11th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
Oh man, I can’t wait, it’s gonna be awesome!
August 11th, 2006 at 8:25 pm
don’t tell me u sell berserk to your friends…
August 11th, 2006 at 9:36 pm
What vol that zod’s horn was cut? I might have miss that chapter >
August 11th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
lool i am reading for the first time this manga and i thing it is the the best.
at what interval its apearing and how can i make a donation ?
who i must contact to make a donation?
and one more thing whath wrong whith caska why is she like this ….
she will ever be herself??
August 11th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
KLAU$$
By chance are you “Klaus the German Guy” who makes the Berserk flashes?
Deen: A lot of people (Even myself) wind up skipping the Chapter where Zodd loses his horn, people here may be better capable of helping you than myself.
Michael: There have been only 3 canonical encounters with Zodd since Guts received the Brand.
1)Berserk Oblivion Herbs Arc (DC Game)
2)Hill of Swords
3)Right now
Zood was in the presence of Grunbeld, an apostle, and to my knowledge they did not “emphasize” his bleeding, ever since showing Guts bleeds in the presence of an apostle, there has been less empasis on the brand’s reaction. ALSO, it has been partially “quarantined” (in a sense) by magic, so it may not bleed at all in the presence of Zodd (this also cannot be proven with Griffith, who already was causing guts to bleed at the hill of swords and therefore Zodd would be indistinguishable)
I have no doubt in my mind Zodd is an apostle, it’s very obvious.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
no!! i am not the one you mention! i am in spain right now and i am a romanian!!
August 11th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
ah alright Klau$$ my mistake
Michael: for further confirmation, read chapter 278 just released.. an apostle addresses zodd and states”an enemy to us apostles” and zodd even offers to eat guts (a common trait of apostles to eat sacrifices). So yes, this should dispel that doubt that should not be present
August 11th, 2006 at 10:50 pm
geez man !! iwaz telling miself that i am crazy about this storry but…i am not the only one
August 11th, 2006 at 10:52 pm
where can i download it?? the 278……
August 12th, 2006 at 12:01 am
you proved nothing so far.
i have one reference where an apostle calls zodd a man. u have one where an apostle refers to himself and others as apostles who want to kill gutts but guess what zodd doesn’t feel the need to which is more evidence to why he isn’t an apostle.
it makes sense that zodd is an apostle but u just can’t assume that. he’s very different from all the others and he’s much stronger than most apostles. the only way to find out is if we get a story of how zodd came to be or someone specifically states it and explains why locus calls him a man.
August 12th, 2006 at 4:25 am
It’s not an assumption, Zodd clearly states in the current chapter “We can’t do our selfish desires”, to feast on humans is the apostles purpose, zodd serves god hand and griffith, just as the emperor is an apostle and broke that chain of command. Zodd is an apostle, it is even mentioned on his art of war statues “apostle” form >>.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
that logic is flawed. first off zodd’s desire is to fight gutts but he chooses not to. he doesn’t say since i’m an apostle i’m going to eat u but i can’t cuz i gotta obey the hawk’s orders. before he threatens gutts that he will tear him apart and eat him he wants to see him get up. his desire is to see him get up and fight not eat him.
second, i don’t remember zodd ever eating humans.
third, there are apostles that don’t eat humans they rather just torture, maim and kill them.
no idea what your talking about when u say art of war statues. if it’s in the manga then that proves it, if not then it doesn’t.
September 30th, 2006 at 4:22 am
Berserk is the best manga i’ve ever read!!! Thanks for the hard work
October 15th, 2006 at 11:50 am
im still waiting for the next chapter i hope comes out soon..
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