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that was not funny...( waves my hand in a gayish way )Buzkashi wrote:Umm Griffith is like this. But when Gutts left he was like this
. So he went to Charlotte ans was like this
. Then he was tortured and was like this
. Then he was rescued and was like this
. Then he became femto and he was like this
. Then he raped casca and was like this
G: god… Is this really God? Is God this amount of flesh?
I: What you see is a part of me… look around me, what do you see?
Who wants to break it to him?Dufraine314 wrote:Well, this information was writing in a manga magazine of spain a few years ago (Mangazone, n16 especial Berserk). I want to share the information I read.
You can trust me, or not. However, you can move this post to the “stupid theries” one.
In that magazine there was an article called “The Lost Chapter”…
I’ll try to make a translation of the main ideas:
A chapter of Berserk was deleted from the original ones that were published by Young Animal at the moment to be collected into the 12th volume (or so).
Miura took this decision because he believed that this chapter showed too many things, so it put it off the volume.
This Lost chapter would have been the 83rd one. In this chapter, Grifith turns into Femto and talks with “Idea”.
The conversation was something like this:
Grifith: God?
The Idea of Evil: Well come human.
G: Are you God?
I: I am the Idea, The Wished God, The Idea of Evil
G: god… Is this really God? Is God this amount of flesh?
I: What you see is a part of me… look around me, what do you see?
G:What is that?
I: A ocean of feelings… All the human have a soul that goes over his individuality ones. That is their common soul, that make that all of them are a part of the same spice. Its dark side is this very ocean, I was born in this ocean… as an Ego of the world. The very world is me… the dark part of the soul of any man
I: the Idea of God. This is God.
G: God… Does it means that the human create God? the human wished such a thing…this thins scarified thing? …
This looks…
I: The Hell… so it´s called by many.
G: Hell…
I: It’s just the surface of many layers of the collective conscience… but you know how human this place is. Violence and loneliness… This place is full of those negative thoughts… That is what actually defines the human race..
G: yosh, it’s true… that thing is into me… I cal feel it… but, why did I was born? Why did the human create this will called God?
I: The Human wanted a reason. A reason for the pain. A reason for the sadness. A reason for the death. Why were their lives full of suffering? Why were their deaths absurd? The wanted a reason for the destiny to deal with them so badly.
G: and it was… God.
I: And create that very reason. As they expect of me…I control the Destiny. Obeying the essence of the human being, I rule the destiny of every man.
G: Does it mean that you control my destiny? Are you the … one who make the things go this way?
I: I made the thing you were going to be since a past time. Influencing the deep levels of the human conscience and mixing generations. I create the seed where you have be born from. In order to make the right context, I manipulated the history. All of you encounters were a part of the destiny that it has taken you to here now.
G: The destiny… My… God!!!! What do you want from me?
I: Do whatever you want. I am in the core of you, I am a part or yourself. You are a part of the collective soul, you are a part of me. You desire is my desire too. Your actions will be the right ones for you mankind. That they take pain or happiness to the world of the men .
I: Do whatever you want. My Chosen One.
G: So if it’s so… I want wings.
I: Take the power of the feelings of this world and that it change the physics being that you body is now into the thing you wish…
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Sorry for the longgggggg post.
I strongly believe that this chapter is not a fake. Have you ever heard of it?
I’ll try to scan a nice picture of that chapter that were published in the magazine.
Agur.
(Joer, que jodida la puta traducción, la leche. Una y se acabo, nunca más)
LOLFemto wrote:EDIT: Eldo beat me to it...
Well, most talk about Idea of Evil came from reading that chapter. You can still post in the stupid theories if you want, about stuff from Idea.Dufraine314 wrote:I want to share the information I read.
You can trust me, or not. However, you can move this post to the “stupid theries” one.
I disagree with you here. Guts was special to Griffith. For most normal members he would care less. Even if Rickert or Pippen or Judaeu left I don't think he woudl care. Casca I am not sure how he woudl react, but she woudl also not leave him. She was under his spell. Now Guts on the other hand was unique. He was only with Griffith cause he lost the fight. He did not want to join the hawks. He was something Griffith had on in a sense, but not jsut that. Griffith had grown to become friends with Guts. Guts was the only person Griffith coudl trust wiht dirty work. He had Guts dirty his hands so Griffith woudl not have to. With Guts leaving it was like loosing part of himself. He lost the person who handled things for him. He lost the most important member of the Hawks. Also if you remember when he was being tortured and lieing alone in the cell al he could do was think about Guts and he coudl not get him out of his head. Also when they were at the eclipse Guts was the one the God Hand used the image of to try adn convince him to say yet. Also when he was about to accept Guts got to the top and he looked right at him and accepted. He wanted to get revenge on him for leaving him, stealing Casca from him. Guts is different then the rest.NINJ4 wrote:The point of Guts being different from the rest of the Band isn't all that important in the sense that to Griffith, they are simply possesions - like a toy soldier to a child. Instead of Guts leaving, if anyone else were to leave (Casca, Rickert, etc) - Griffith probably woulda reacted the same, since Griffith doesn't really need anyone to acknowledge his existence. They just needed to be possessed by him.
Well, Guts is the vital member of the hawks. But to Griffith, it was much like his favourite toy. I disagree with you that Griffith treats him as a friend. Guts left the hawks because he thought he wasn't worthy enough to be his friend. But Guts is important to Griffith, and more than a toy soldier. He remembers Guts because he's the first one to ever leave the hawks, as well as beat him in the duel. It was the after shock that got him worked up.Arresty wrote:I disagree with you here. Guts was special to Griffith. For most normal members he would care less. Even if Rickert or Pippen or Judaeu left I don't think he woudl care. Casca I am not sure how he woudl react, but she woudl also not leave him. She was under his spell. Now Guts on the other hand was unique. He was only with Griffith cause he lost the fight. He did not want to join the hawks. He was something Griffith had on in a sense, but not jsut that. Griffith had grown to become friends with Guts. Guts was the only person Griffith coudl trust wiht dirty work. He had Guts dirty his hands so Griffith woudl not have to. With Guts leaving it was like loosing part of himself. He lost the person who handled things for him. He lost the most important member of the Hawks. Also if you remember when he was being tortured and lieing alone in the cell al he could do was think about Guts and he coudl not get him out of his head. Also when they were at the eclipse Guts was the one the God Hand used the image of to try adn convince him to say yet. Also when he was about to accept Guts got to the top and he looked right at him and accepted. He wanted to get revenge on him for leaving him, stealing Casca from him. Guts is different then the rest.
Yeah I agree with you disagreeing with me. Kinda wierd. But I think I was going out to far with saying friend. Griffith I don't think considered him as a friend, especially after you hear the speech to Princess Charlotte(talk about foreshadowing). But I think he did not realize how much Guts meant to him til after he left, much like Guts didn't realize how much the Hawks meant to him until after he left. I think he was not considered a friend, by Griffith's definitions. But in some ways he was like a friend to Griffith. Griffith confided in him things he woudl tell knowone else. Griffith would get him to do things know one else was even to know about. He even asks his opinion on things. I believe he was more than a vital member of the Hawks, but he would not be a friend. I think I just used it too lightly earlier.Eldo wrote:Well, Guts is the vital member of the hawks. But to Griffith, it was much like his favourite toy. I disagree with you that Griffith treats him as a friend. Guts left the hawks because he thought he wasn't worthy enough to be his friend. But Guts is important to Griffith, and more than a toy soldier. He remembers Guts because he's the first one to ever leave the hawks, as well as beat him in the duel. It was the after shock that got him worked up.Arresty wrote:I disagree with you here. Guts was special to Griffith. For most normal members he would care less. Even if Rickert or Pippen or Judaeu left I don't think he woudl care. Casca I am not sure how he woudl react, but she woudl also not leave him. She was under his spell. Now Guts on the other hand was unique. He was only with Griffith cause he lost the fight. He did not want to join the hawks. He was something Griffith had on in a sense, but not jsut that. Griffith had grown to become friends with Guts. Guts was the only person Griffith coudl trust wiht dirty work. He had Guts dirty his hands so Griffith woudl not have to. With Guts leaving it was like loosing part of himself. He lost the person who handled things for him. He lost the most important member of the Hawks. Also if you remember when he was being tortured and lieing alone in the cell al he could do was think about Guts and he coudl not get him out of his head. Also when they were at the eclipse Guts was the one the God Hand used the image of to try adn convince him to say yet. Also when he was about to accept Guts got to the top and he looked right at him and accepted. He wanted to get revenge on him for leaving him, stealing Casca from him. Guts is different then the rest.
Yep, Guts was the right-hand man, like for example a King's most trusted General. Not necessary friendship between them, but mutual respect for each other's abilities. Griffith has that type of charisma that one can mistaken for friendship. I believe that Guts treated Griffith as a friend and equal, but not the other way around. Guts was a major and important chesspiece for Griffith.Arresty wrote:Griffith would get him to do things know one else was even to know about. He even asks his opinion on things. I believe he was more than a vital member of the Hawks, but he would not be a friend. I think I just used it too lightly earlier.
True. Thats why Guts left in the first place to find a dream so Griffith would consider him a friend. But as important as he was, I still think he was more than that to Griffith, just not what enought more to be a friend.Eldo wrote:I believe that Guts treated Griffith as a friend and equal, but not the other way around. Guts was a major and important chesspiece for Griffith.
No problems. I'll resize it next time. In fact, I'll do it now.Starnum wrote:Yep, Buzkashi is good at the whole, not funny thing. Take it to the stupid theory thread next time please.
Eldo: Say no to pics that make you scroll to the right.
you know the cliche right?? Fine line between Insanity and Genius. Isanity doesn't only mean to drool all over yourself and make no sense.Arresty wrote:I would not say Griffith is insane. He may be immoral and show no interest in anything but his dream, but I woudl not say he is insane. Noone insane could plan things as well as he did.
He does not show any symptoms of any mental disorder nor has any derangements. He stays calm and collected under all situations. If anyone could say he was anything they could maybe say he is a megalomaniac, but I would not say he falls in that category because his dream of becoming king is actually on its way to coming true so it is not some fantasy.Insane: Persistent mental disorder or derangement. No longer in scientific use.
Maybe maybe not huh?Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder where a person has recurrent and unwanted ideas or impulses (called obsessions) and an urge or compulsion to do something to relieve the discomfort caused by the obsession.
. Ok maybe they weren't friends like Griff had told the Princess. But if you're in a unit like that bonds are formed and a sane commander would never sacrifice his troops for selfish reasons. Are you sure about that?For anything to be an illness it has to stop you from being able to function normally in society.
