Does Guts follow Fate's path

[MrFelony]

guts...weary...never! and i wasnt implying that guts would abandon casca, but that casca would abandon him. we'll just have to wait and see on that one though.

[Starnum]

See Felony, that's the thing though, he has to have both, to get what he really wants. Follow me here. Yes, he wants to kill Griffith, no doubt. However, he knows he has to choose between his vengeance and Casca. All this means, is he can’t go out on his own for a killing spree. He has to protect her, if he loves her, and that’s really what he wants, which is what he said. Here’s the thing though, as long as Griffith and the God Hand and everything are around, they’ll never really be safe. They’re both branded. So, for them to live in peace, for him to truly protect her, he has to kill Griffith. See, he’s not being selfish, so much, that’s just the only way to get to his true goal. He can kill two birds with one stone, but he’s chosen that Casca comes first, you know. I mean, his main pursuit right now is to get to Elfheim and see if she can be cured. Griffith is just later down the road, almost like an inevitable thing, you know.

As for the masculine and feminine value on certain words in German, I was unaware of the specifics. That’s good to know though, so thanks for clearing that up for me.

[MrFelony]

well i guess its going to depend on what casca decides. and guts could have just stayed in the cave but he chose not to. though at this point in time thats not wholly relevant seeing as how he has chosen to save casca right now. but i just dont see how casca will let herself follow and take part in another mans "dream" after all the trauma she has experienced. and if this elf village is what puck says it is, im pretty sure they could just live there in peace unless griffith comes in and fucks things up. but i doubt Guts can or will. his pursuit to kill griffith is pretty much all selfish. thats why he is an anti-hero. I didnt see one lick of doing it for another person in his pursuit of griffith. revenge yes, but not to save casca or anything else like that.

We dont know if killing the godhand would actually remove the brands do we? and if you look at it, they have had it relatively peaceful thanks to shierke. they could live the rest of their lives out with shierke and the group as long as she kept making wards for them. and i dont think guts will want casca to come along on this journy. if you look at the hundred man battle, she only hindered him there, she'll only do it again by coming with, which i doubt she would want to do in the first place. nothing like encountering the shit that raped you every big battle...

[akari]

I know Griffith looked like he cared for his men with the whole selling his body scene and his troubled emotions over the boy that died believing in him, but by and large, the character of Griffith that is present in most of the Berserk story sequences so far has ALWAYS been cold. None of his followers seemed able to really get close to him, as Judeau told Guts. Guts was the only exception, and even then, as I reasoned above, it looks more like Griffith never really knew what friendship was but was confused because of his irrational behaviour around Guts. In the eyes of the people around him he may be a shining light, but for the readers who have seen him at his worst, I think he crossed the line of any kind of hero a long time ago. Guts has a warmth despite all the darkness he's been through that Griffith doesn't have. To render it in utter cheese/cliche: Guts knows how to love, but Griffith does not, and this is a really important distinction, because even anti-heroes need to have some concept of love as part of who they are.

Actually, I thought the same way a while ago, but if Griffith doesn't know how to love, than how he was able to sacrifice The Hawks? If I recall correctly, Slann said that you can only sacrifice somebody, who is part of your heart, no?

[Khelegond]

I think she said you must sacrifice someone who's close or important to you, and the Band of the Hawk defintely was both to him.

[Necromancer]

I can't remember that she said that. It's more like your sacrifice must be very precious to you and even tools can get precious.

After all discussing all this here does mean nothing.
It's all left to the author, if Miura says he isn't bound to fate, he isn't and it does not need any logical reason nor an explanation.

[MrFelony]

you're wrong there nec. once an artist creates something, it is then up to the reader or whoever to interpret it, albeit intelligently. even if muira says that guts is bound by fate, i still have a legitimate claim. though if muira, in his work, has guts kill idea or something then its a little fucking hard to still argue that, though i could just argue idea planned to have guts kill him in the first place .

edit: the idea im talking about is author intentionality i believe.

[Starnum]

well i guess its going to depend on what casca decides. and guts could have just stayed in the cave but he chose not to. though at this point in time thats not wholly relevant seeing as how he has chosen to save casca right now. but i just dont see how casca will let herself follow and take part in another mans "dream" after all the trauma she has experienced. and if this elf village is what puck says it is, im pretty sure they could just live there in peace unless griffith comes in and fucks things up. but i doubt Guts can or will. his pursuit to kill griffith is pretty much all selfish. thats why he is an anti-hero. I didnt see one lick of doing it for another person in his pursuit of griffith. revenge yes, but not to save casca or anything else like that.

We dont know if killing the godhand would actually remove the brands do we? and if you look at it, they have had it relatively peaceful thanks to shierke. they could live the rest of their lives out with shierke and the group as long as she kept making wards for them. and i dont think guts will want casca to come along on this journy. if you look at the hundred man battle, she only hindered him there, she'll only do it again by coming with, which i doubt she would want to do in the first place. nothing like encountering the shit that raped you every big battle...

What you're describing is like the witness protection program. You may seem to be safe, but you still never know. Why would a badass like Gatts want to live in fear like that. Yeah, I know Gatts wants revenge, and part of that is selfish, but he's still doing it for The Hawks and Casca too damn it. We don't know for sure that killing the God Hand will rid the brand, but it's a good assumption. They're the ones producing the shit that comes after them in the first place. Got to stop the shit at the source man.

[MrFelony]

well are you saying guts isnt enough to guard himself and casca . i'd feel safe(r) if guts was the one guarding me lol. i see it as about 90% selfish chasing guts. I just have a much more bleaker outlook on Berserk than everyone else here.

I guess thats the main reason why i think he is controlled by fate and that he will kill casca or she will leave him or just plain die. you have to admit, now that everything is nice and rosey, muira is going to throw a curve ball straight from hell into the picture. its all about the spiral of events. though i think the events that are going to happen to him are going to mirror much of how Griffith's life folded out. here is a basic overview of what i see happening, and i mean basic heh

What happened in griffiths life was a pursuit of a dream, then a distraction (guts). the distraction caused him to lose focus so that he was unable to pursue both at the same time (a friendship with guts wasn't possible as long as he used guts as his tool). so as a result of guts leaving him, with a mix of irrational thought and bad luck, he got fucked over and eventually after a year of torture he sacrificed the hawks.

so far Guts has pursued his dream of killing griffith, but now he has become distracted by his love casca (much like griffith with guts). if muira truly does follow this spiral of events that he talks about, then (as i have predicted) casca will no follow guts while he pursues his dream of killing griffith/the godhand. guts may try to stay with her but events will force them apart (its just fated dudes ). but after being rejected by his love, bad luck combined with bad decisions or something will fuck guts up. now i cant say what exactly is going to happen (i've already said i think he might use the behelit though that is a widely rejected idea), but whatever does go down i think anyone who is hoping or thinking that a happy ending is coming is quite naive/hopefull.

edit. i also think, though a happy ending would be cool, that a happy ending would be very unfitting for Berserk
edit #2: if you want further explanation as to why i believe guts is going to follow griffiths path...we should make this into another thread

[Starnum]

Meh, theories...we've all got 'em. The chips have been on the table for a long time now...we'll see where the cards fall.

If Miura is truly great though, we'll ALL be wrong about the ultimate ending.

[MrFelony]

well at the moment there are a lot of different ways it can go if he really decides where fate will take guts