Does Guts follow Fate's path

[Skullkracker]

so...many...long...posts...
must...turn...off...monitor...

that's better, now I need to find the quit button

[Wandering_Mystic]

lol, I kinda got in the groove of writing there, so I can understand if the sight of a massive post like that makes you queasy. I would have probably ignored it my first time through myself if I wasn't the one who wrote it

[Skullkracker]

don't take it personally Mistyc, I've been discouraged from reading this thread much earlier

got too much to read in the real world you know

[Wandering_Mystic]

no worries, no offense taken. Reading is good, especially when it's a good book. In fact, I am looking forward to reading the second Vampire Hunter D novel when I get my grubby hands on it middle of next week.

On second thought though, reading for school can be tough, so if that's what you meant, then good luck with that too.

[Skullkracker]

yep, reading for school...ugh
it's gonna drown me

[Artezul]

That was a very nice post Mystic.

[MrFelony]

I think the main argument for how Guts could still be in fate's sway is related to how important a role he had with Griffith's own destiny. However, be careful here. Just because one has a role in someone else's fate doesn't necessarily mean that said person is him/herself contained by fate as well. It is true that throughout the manga, before and after the eclipse, it is heavily implied that Guts is outside of fate. People saying he shouldn't have been born alive, and then him growing up and his many narrow encounters with death that are highlighted serve to give a kind of subconscious evidence of how Guts should be dead a thousand times over, but he is not, even when he throws himself into ridiculously dangerous situations, and receives all kinds of wounds that would have killed any other man. So for me, no matter what, I cannot ignore these clues as they so clearly tell me that Guts is outside of a common design or destiny.

I agree with you a lot here. guts SHOULD be dead. But what has caused him to remain alive. I've already addressed the tons of "dues ex machina" scenarios that have saved guts so i dont feel the need to address it again. Many people see those as clues that he is outside of fates pull, I see them as Idea ensuring his life so that he may follow his destiny until the end.

As for his involvement with Griffith, think about how much of a lost soul he was for almost all the time he was with the Hawks. Guts is a free spirit, implicitly more free because of his broken bonds with fate. Griffith managed to capture him for a while, but when you think about it, the level of obsessiveness that Grifith held for Guts is not entirely reciprocated by Guts. Grifith would throw himself into danger and make crazy decisions to keep Guts alive, without even fully understanding it himself. Guts served Griffith and even tried to consider himself friends with Griffith, but I personally didn't see the same level of obsessiveness towards Griffith, at least nothing that overpowered his own sense of who he was. This is most clearly demonstrated by his choice to leave the hawks of his own free will, his main task having been completed as far as he was concerned. I dont see that as Guts being fated to leave, as much as the fact that he never intended to stay in the first place, and pretty much was always trying to carve his own path.

Actually, i feel that guts did have a relative love for Griffith. yes it didnt become obsessive until after the eclipse, but Guts isnt capable of really showing emotions. In the few moments he does talk about griffith with casca, you can sense the awe and admiration that he held for the man.

Griffith did stand in the way of danger for Guts on more than one occasion (something he never/rarely did for anyone else), but Guts did the same thing over if not more so. and your point on him leaving the Hawks is contradictory. He left the hawks so that he may achieve his dream SO Griffith would consider him a true friend. and also after leaving, he realized that the thing he left was what he was searching for the entire time. guts is a wandering spirit IMO, not free. he searches for a home/place that can provide him with the love and family that he was devoid of during his childhood. you were right in that he was a lost soul, but with the hawks he found a family that he regretted leaving. But you are correct in that Guts cant live following the dream of another, thats why Guts and Griffith were able to form such strong bonds with eachother.

Griffith's true path was set into full speed the moment he met Guts, but the reason why is I think important. There is the important scene when Guts and Caksa talk about the campfires, and how they all seem to be attracted to Griffith's massive flame. I take that metaphor to mean that Griffith's destiny was a particularly massive one which either encompassed all other destinies along his way, or trampled over them in the process. However, this was true of every person except Guts. Why? Because he was already outside iron-clad chains of fate. Could Guts be influenced by the destiny of others? Of course. To live is to interact, and that means a certain amount of giving and taking. But when push came to shove, Guts brushed off Griffiths fateful power like dust off his armor.

Here i disagree to somepoint. I see Guts and Griffith as equals. Both were meant to effect eachothers destinies. here i think Idea used Griffith to clear out Guts destiny as much as Idea used Guts to carve out Griffiths. Every aspect of Guts' life led him to that fateful day where he would kill Basuzo (spelling and correct person ) and cause the "wrath of Corkus" to be laid down upon him thus leading him to join the hawks. Guts was literally walking down the path of destiny that day

The clincher is that Guts is so reactionary, living only from moment to moment, without really thinking of what his next step will be. This is to me a powerfull metaphor for making one's own way forward, because the next step is never known, never seen, but only forged into existence by one's own step forward. Whereas Griffith always seemed to know what to do, what steps to take, as if his path was not only laid out before him, but also clearly visible to him as well.

In the end, I think the issue of will also plays a huge role into the whole debate about destiny. Both Griffith and Guts have a powerful will, but Griffith's is a will to power, while Guts' is a will to simply survive and live to see the next step.

well the reactionary ways of Guts is why i see him so easily manipulated by Idea. All Idea has to do is put something in his path, and Guts will pretty reliably react to it in a certain way. Apostle=kill, Casca in danger=save, and so forth. Guts is not a really complicated...okay he IS emotionally complicated...but his actions are usually pretty straightforward. and as for griffith, I would say he is pretty much the same. and griffith being the planner that he is, is partly why Guts leaving him was so hard on him cause i dont think he saw it coming

also living from moment to moment doesnt guarantee free will. all it does is just ensure that you wont know what is going to happen in the future. and once again i stress the idea of relative free will here.

The way i see it, Idea has created two of the most perfect humans for a large struggle of the underdog. I feel that humanity doesnt just desire the suffering it has, but also a savior. that savior is supposed to be guts (or atleast we assume for now). In the end i see it will probably be fitting for both of them to die...


well there is my long reply ...

[Wandering_Mystic]

I've already addressed the tons of "dues ex machina" scenarios that have saved guts so i dont feel the need to address it again. Many people see those as clues that he is outside of fates pull, I see them as Idea ensuring his life so that he may follow his destiny until the end.

Yeah, I've read your posts about the Deus ex machina scenarios, and truth be told I can see the logic in that too. But the theory that Idea is behind it all rubs me the wrong way, because it is supposed to be the Idea of evil, not anything else. If there were some other entity created by the good or desire for good in people's hearts, I'm pretty sure it would be something else separate from the Idea that granted Femto power. Plus there's my inherent understanding of fate and destiny which is something that is not owned by any specific force or being, but simply either just exists or is woven by the equally mysterious but plural "Fates". There is no specific details revealed in Berserk about what kind of origin or controling presence destiny or fate has, but seeing how Miura is heavily influenced by Western concepts, I cannot help but intuit that in the world of Berserk things work at least similarly, which would imply that Idea of Evil is either influencing destiny abnormally, or that it is only one part of the system by which the fabric of fate is woven.

Actually, i feel that guts did have a relative love for Griffith.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply Guts had no love for Griffith, or didn't yearn for Griffith's acknowledgement of his idea of true friendship. He obviously had and still has very strong feelings for Griffith. I meant that Guts admiration for Griffith was not the same as the admiration other people had for him. And this is one of the keys of my argument that although Guts was crucial to Griffith's destiny, Griffith was not as vital to Guts path in the same way until Griffith went apeshit and did something completely unforgivable. Griffith never really wanted a friend, despite all the bullshit he said. If he really meant what he said, he shouldn't have been envious of Guts. All Griffith really cared about was power and Guts was key to that all the way up to the eclipse. But all Guts wanted from Griffith was friendship, and companionship in general from the Hawks, which he realized only too late had become a true family to him. It's actually a pretty normal dilemma, and not that extraordinary at all. What stands out is that Griffith has a strange charisma over others that pulls their destiny towards him. As I mentioned before, Guts was somehow not drawn by that charisma at all, or at least, not nearly in the same way or intensity as with everyone else. Why? On one hand, you can argue that Guts was fated to be strong enough to withstand it. But that is way too simple an explanation for my tastes, and doesn't completely fit. Why him, and not any other random person with an extremely messed up childhood?

That is why my answer is free will. It the only one that fits, and doesn't fall into even more of a circular reasoning of this whole destiny question. If Griffith is destined to become a great ruler, that in itself conflicts with the need for a hero. If it were Guts' destiny to be a hero, then either Griffith's destiny (which has more or less already been stated or at least very heavily implied in the manga) is false, or what Guts has going for himself is more than just the garden variety of destiny. The point is destiny is supposed to be set in stone right?

Also, some smaller questions concerning the way Guts life has happened: Why would it be necessary for Guts to be born from the hanging corpse of his mother? How could that possibly condition him to be a hero? He could have just as easily been born of a mercenary camp whore who died during labor, and still been brought up with similar conditions and stigmas in the rough life of a mercenary band. Why does Guts so mindlessly (almost in a Zen kinda way) swing his sword? If he swings it because it is his destiny to do so, that's a pretty big piece of circular logic. Hard to swallow for me. It makes more sense when I see it in a light of pure will to survive. Plus why would the Skull Knight acknowledge him as a "Struggler"? What would he be struggling against, if not the pulls of all the destiny around him? And why do the apostles and even Slann herself admit they are curious to see how long Guts stays alive or are just plain tickled by his still being alive? Ok, I do see how you can tie fate into most of these answers, but it feels more like a stretch to me than the idea that Guts' true path is hidden to them.

well the reactionary ways of Guts is why i see him so easily manipulated by Idea.

I don't think Guts is that easily manipulated. Or maybe I mean I don't like the idea of Guts being easily manipulated, at least not by Idea of evil, as I think you imply. Sure he can be influenced by any number of things, but he didn't let a HUGE manipulator like Griffith to keep him in the Hawks, nor did he succumb to the tactical manipulations of someone like Serpico when they fought all those times. Ok, that may be shaky ground for a lot of people, because I know probably the majority of people are blinded by their impression of Serpico being gay to let them properly see and appreciate how brilliant the guy really is... But anyhoo, off topic. I think Guts can be predictable to an extent, but so can Griffith, and even the Idea of Evil, if you want to speak generally. Guts' choice to allow for a new party to follow him is in a way not all that predictable if you look at what he's been through. His opening of his heart is a rebellion to the traps of the God Hand and the Idea of Evil (e.g. hatred, revenge, lust, etc.)

also living from moment to moment doesnt guarantee free will. all it does is just ensure that you wont know what is going to happen in the future. and once again i stress the idea of relative free will here.

No, I guess it doesn't in one sense of the phrase, but I meant living from moment to moment as making an active and independant choice for every moment that comes to him. He is incapable of really planning things out long term, simply because he's used to not knowing what will come next. His reactions in battle and his choices in life are all the more amazing in this light because the only way to survive and move forward in both contexts is to have a strong will.

One last thought is that Guts is by no means a typical hero. Given that, how can he represent an Idea's (and therefore the people's in general) archtype of a hero?

[MrFelony]

As I mentioned before, Guts was somehow not drawn by that charisma at all, or at least, not nearly in the same way or intensity as with everyone else. Why? On one hand, you can argue that Guts was fated to be strong enough to withstand it. But that is way too simple an explanation for my tastes, and doesn't completely fit. Why him, and not any other random person with an extremely messed up childhood?

we agree that guts was drawn to Griffith's charisma, but dreamers can never settle for another's dream. Griffith and Guts are not very different people. Griffith WAS good at heart, but in the pursuit of his dream, he became twisted. and i know everyone argues about how evil he became but think about what you would have done in his position, probably the exact same thing. Griffith did care about all of his men. he cared about the child who died. People make gay jokes because he cared about his men enought to whore himself out to a pedophile. now yes preserving his troops is the logical and strategically best thing to do, but I'm saying that in the beginning he did care about his people, but through the suffering that he had to go through, he had to twist his thinking and eventually he started believe the lies he told himself to relieve his conscience for all the deaths he caused. Guts did the same thing too while he was chasing griffith after the eclipse. he started believing that it was pointless to work with the ants under him, and its okay to step on some ants (just like griffith)...went on a lil tangent there...

That is why my answer is free will. It the only one that fits, and doesn't fall into even more of a circular reasoning of this whole destiny question. If Griffith is destined to become a great ruler, that in itself conflicts with the need for a hero. If it were Guts' destiny to be a hero, then either Griffith's destiny (which has more or less already been stated or at least very heavily implied in the manga) is false, or what Guts has going for himself is more than just the garden variety of destiny. The point is destiny is supposed to be set in stone right?

if you reread the part when the knights of the holy iron chain find the lake of blood after the eclipse, then you will get the "black hawk" "white hawk" idea going on. what i believe that to say is that Griffith is the black hawk disguising himself as the white hawk and that guts is vice-versa. and as you might have guessed from previous posts, i believe what Idea has planned isnt always what the Godhand and others think is going to happen. just like the eclipse and guts/casca surviving.

Also, some smaller questions concerning the way Guts life has happened: Why would it be necessary for Guts to be born from the hanging corpse of his mother? How could that possibly condition him to be a hero? He could have just as easily been born of a mercenary camp whore who died during labor, and still been brought up with similar conditions and stigmas in the rough life of a mercenary band. Why does Guts so mindlessly (almost in a Zen kinda way) swing his sword? If he swings it because it is his destiny to do so, that's a pretty big piece of circular logic. Hard to swallow for me. It makes more sense when I see it in a light of pure will to survive. Plus why would the Skull Knight acknowledge him as a "Struggler"? What would he be struggling against, if not the pulls of all the destiny around him? And why do the apostles and even Slann herself admit they are curious to see how long Guts stays alive or are just plain tickled by his still being alive? Ok, I do see how you can tie fate into most of these answers, but it feels more like a stretch to me than the idea that Guts' true path is hidden to them.

well him being born from a corpse was vital. a whore baby wouldnt have had the same stigma as a corpse child. the whole idea that Guts was cursed was important for creating the rumors that Guts was cursed and the cause for his adoptive mothers death. that is what caused him to have an unloving father who would eventually try and kill him for killing his beloved wife.

well guts swings his sword because muira has developed him so well he is actually a person. look, im not a psychiatrist...i cant analyze people that well. but from my personal doings, I think guts swings his sword because he grew up doing it and its the only thing he really knows how to do. he never really learned how to interact with people either. and i think its similar to "why do i play video games for 10 hrs straight" or something like that. It is an escape from reality for me. it allowed me to not have to think about my problems.

He IS struggling. his path in life is to struggle against the odds. no one truly knows the end of a path except for Idea. Slann and the rest of the God hands do not know what Idea has in store all the time, though they have an idea (:kekeke:), but as they said during the eclipse, Idea does pull surprises on them every once in a while. I'm pretty sure they think they know what is goign to happen, but i HIGHLY doubt Idea has been like "hey this is what is how it is going to end." The God hand are just another tool of humanity's greater will after all. thats why Idea told griffith that whatever he does is the will of humanity. Griffith almost seens like JC to me...

for the last part...where have you been. I've said it like a million times that guts is NO WHERE near being the stereotypical hero...he is an anti-hero of sorts. if you read the elric saga you would understand what exactly i mean. he is destined to have a good heart and meanwell but have tragedy follow him, probably cause he was cursed from being born from a corpse lol

In literature and film, an anti-hero is a central or supporting character that has some of the personality flaws traditionally assigned to villains or un-heroic people, but nonetheless also has enough heroic qualities, intentions, or type of strength to gain the sympathy of readers or viewers. Anti-heroes can be awkward, obnoxious, passive, pitiful, obtuse, or even normal; but they are always, in some fundamental way, flawed, unqualified, or failed heroes. When the anti-hero is a central character in a work of fiction the work will frequently deal with the effect their flawed character has on the other people they meet. Additionally the work may depict how their character alters over time, either leading to just punishment, un-heroic success or redemption.

Comic books feature anti-heroes (also known as "dark heroes") who are characters fighting for the side of good, but either with some tragic flaw (such as a tormented past), fighting for reasons that are not entirely altruistic (they may fight a villain due to a grudge or some other selfish motivation, with little or no regard for typical "heroic" motives), a non heroic character who is not evil, nor are they good, but find themselves fighting on the side of good due to circumstance, or a hero using questionable means to reach their goals. A good working definition of the anti-hero is a paradoxical character that is, within the context of a story, a hero but in another context could easily be seen as a villain, simply as unlikable, a normal person or coward.

The concept of the anti-hero is as old as literature itself with the main character of the Iliad, Achilles being a strong anti-hero. The presence of anti-heroes has blossomed recently, as there is a tendency of modern authors to present villains as complex, even sympathetic, characters whose motivations are not inherently evil and sometimes even good. The line, therefore, between an anti-hero and a villain is sometimes not clear.

and this i think refers to both griffith and guts

[ucrzymofo87]

would any of you like to write my research paper?

[TheDrizzit]

i think you guys should open up a thread for you two to talk but have it the cliffnotes version...my contacts keep drying out while I try to read it! ^_^

[Necromancer]

OMG so many ass long posts. We are doomed to get squished by big posts.
No, I won't even try to read it all so I can't respond anything usefull.

[Khelegond]

I don't like to make stupid posts, but I'll make this one...I've read it all, and (as I posted before) I agree much more with Mystic's vision with MrFelony's

One thing to consider, is that Guts is taking, EACH TURN, different actions that we would think he would.

He's not desperatedly searching for Griffith, for he's looking for a way to save Casca. He let the group join him, knowing that almost literally hell follows him. And that, I think, is Guts acting TOTALLY against his fate, the way he was almost "programmed" to do. Man, he could have DESTROYED Serpico in the column fight, but he didn't! That is a changed (but not from out of nowhere) Guts...

IMHO, of course

[MrFelony]

I don't like to make stupid posts, but I'll make this one...I've read it all, and (as I posted before) I agree much more with Mystic's vision [than] MrFelony's

One thing to consider, is that Guts is taking, [AT] EACH TURN, different actions that we would think he would.

He's not desperatedly searching for Griffith, for he's looking for a way to save Casca. He let the group join him, knowing that almost literally hell follows him. And that, I think, is Guts acting TOTALLY against his fate, the way he was almost "programmed" to do. Man, he could have DESTROYED Serpico in the column fight, but he didn't! That is a changed (but not from out of nowhere) Guts...

well each action that guts has made has seemed logical to me...i dont see what you didnt see coming. isnt it just a little coincidental that while guts is searching for a way to get at and possibly destroy Griffith that his deformed baby appears out of no where and shows him a vision of Casca in danger...i mean come on. and his reaction...very typical. also very similar to the way Griffith reacted when Guts was in danger...

he let a group join him because with out his group, he wouldnt be able to achieve his goal of getting casca healed or at least to a safe place. and it makes NO SENSE what so ever for Guts to kill Serpico. all he needed to do is best him, and killing him probably ruins any attempt to get Farnese to come with him and also takes out a great addition to his party. to tell you the truth you seem like you just like Berserk because of the action and not the immense story and other intricacies behind it...

and dont think i expect people to be on my side. so far i think only one has posted and 5 others out of 65ish have voted on my side. and as for the big posts i could give a rats ass if anyone really doesnt want to read them, Im having a blast having an actual discussion with mystic since i feel he takes about as much out of Berserk as i do (and is willing to talk about it so)

[LordMune]

Mr. Felony, Mystic: Don't Wyrm, 'k?

[Wandering_Mystic]

Heh, I'll keep this short(er) for now, but I enjoy these convos too, even if it is pretty obvious that neither Felony nor myself will change our viewpoints

In short, I have read all the clues about white/balck hawk, and I do in fact know what an anti-hero is. I would agree that it applies to Guts (I guess you'd have to be kind of daft not to), but Griffith is a stretch for me. I know Griffith looked like he cared for his men with the whole selling his body scene and his troubled emotions over the boy that died believing in him, but by and large, the character of Griffith that is present in most of the Berserk story sequences so far has ALWAYS been cold. None of his followers seemed able to really get close to him, as Judeau told Guts. Guts was the only exception, and even then, as I reasoned above, it looks more like Griffith never really knew what friendship was but was confused because of his irrational behaviour around Guts. In the eyes of the people around him he may be a shining light, but for the readers who have seen him at his worst, I think he crossed the line of any kind of hero a long time ago. Guts has a warmth despite all the darkness he's been through that Griffith doesn't have. To render it in utter cheese/cliche: Guts knows how to love, but Griffith does not, and this is a really important distinction, because even anti-heroes need to have some concept of love as part of who they are.

My point with all that though was to merely say that wouldn't it make more sense for people who want a hero to get a knight in shining armor, instead of a brooding, troubled, controversial anti-hero? I mean they sure as hell are getting more than they ever asked for with the evil side of their imaginations...

[Sandman]

Rock on Wandering_Mystic and MrFelony

EDIT- After reading most of you and MrFelony's posts you guys should right a book about how to understand berserk. I hope people read it because I am sure a lot of people will be enlightend.

[MrFelony]

Welll i'll agree with you on some level that Griffith didnt really know how to love, though i have to say that Guts was just as emotionally retarded as he was. If you look at Guts and at Griffith, they both pretty much act the same way except when it comes to the people that they loved (Grffith=guts guts=casca). Griffith did share in the same sort of brotherhood and fun and games that Guts did (in the earlier volumes though), but he was also in a position where a lot more stress and responsibility was put on him.

the best way i think to describe it is that everyone looks at Griffith the same way that casca first looked at guts. casca thought guts cared nothing for his troops because of his reckless behaviour, when in fact he did very much. the same thing i think goes for griffith, no one thinks he really truly cared for his soldiers because of his often cold and logical attitude, when in fact i think he did. But because Griffith did grow up being pretty much better than everyone as well as the leader. how do you really talk to someone as an equal when you are always looking down at them. it also didnt help that he pretty much saw everyone as his pawn to begin with and when you think of someone as your tool, you wont really be able to form much more than a material like attachment with them.

Griffith also did have a warmth, otherwise he wouldnt have been described as a fire . the reason why i describe him as an anti hero is because he is trying to achieve this magical kingdom at any costs. though i did know that it would be a large stretch im not really willing to defends hehe. but i think the distinction between Guts and Griffith is more the vastness of their dream. Griffith wants a whole kingdom where as Guts wants to kill griffith (which is i guess i near impossible dream just like griffiths heh) but at the same time be with casca...he is very hypocritical and i believe he is going to have one tough choice to make soon. and as casca told guts once, he is just like griffith.

Well to answer more on your question as to why Idea gave humanity Guts instead of a knight in shining armor because Guts represents the side of humanity and its feelings that griffith doesnt. you mentioned how Slaan and all the apostles are so amused by the turmoltuous emotions that rage inside of Guts. his strong feelings of love, hatred, revenge, these are all very human. and in this situation a knight in shining armor is probably the last thing that it calls for. i doubt one could have survived the path Guts walked so far. the one thing that humanity ever really wants to do is survive, live. thats why apostles and god hands sacrifice their most loved ones. and that is, in part, why guts is the best counterbalance for Griffith, since he covers all the emotions and human nature that Griffith doesnt...well most.

I think it would explain my point of view a little better if I brought this out heh. when i look at Guts and Griffith i see pretty much the embodiment of humanity on earth. I pretty much envision a large conflict between a lot of different emotions and what not set up with Guts and Griffith as the stars, because honestly, when have 2 more awesome (as awe inspiring) beings walked the earth

dif is these posts are both quantity and quality i believe, unlike wyrms. that and we arent going to go back and write *DELETED* in all our posts like wyrm did if we get mad

[Khelegond]

dif is these posts are both quantity and quality i believe, unlike wyrms. that and we arent going to go back and write *DELETED* in all our posts like wyrm did if we get mad

Please, don't even think of that!

Even thought I disagree with your visions, your posts are well written, and a good discussion is always a pleasure to read. Discussions to the open minded are like books with stories being told in a different way, and always enlighten (sp?) the ones willing

Now, on a side note, you're talking about why Idea gave Guts to Griffith ("Well to answer more on your question as to why Idea gave humanity Guts instead of a knight in shining armor"). I think Idea gambled with Guts. She saw a powerfull tool, that couldn't be fully controlled, but had enormously potential. So, she used Guts. In the end, he/she (Griffith/Idea) lost him, so in this moment he slipped Idea's grasp (or the circle of fate, in my vision )

[MrFelony]

alright then, if Guts is out of fates control, then what part does the baby warning Guts have to play in it. the only thing i can think of is a tool to guide guts down a path that reconnects him back with casca and a family just like when he passed the hawks encampment after killing Bassuzo.

[Starnum]

What the hell? Why would anyone refer to that huge lump of nasty flesh known as Idea as a female. Next, how do you figure Gatts to be a hypocrite, Felony? Finally, Idea didn't give the world Gatts, he gave them Griffith, and there's your knight in shinning armor.

[MrFelony]

maybe hypocrit wasnt the best word but meh...he wants to kill griffith but save casca at the same time. he cant have one and the other at the same time. the whole eating of a cake scenario. I cant say exactly what is going to happen once he heals her, but ill bet dollars to nickles that it'll probably be something like him leaving to pursue griffith and leave her or some sort of outside force just fucking things up...maybe literally. and yea i was too lazy to go into how griffith is the knight in shining armor for the people right now...just not for long i assume

[Khelegond]

OOoops...it's because we have gender in most words in portuguese, and Idea ("Idéia" in portuguese) is a female word. Damn, I got to get used to it

[Necromancer]

Same here in germany it's not a single word like "the" they are "der" (male), "die" (female), "das" (things, some animals, rather complicated) etc.
The idea = Die Idee = female

Btw. Stupid theory, Guts follows fate because he wants to fuck the idea. (Meant to be ambiguous)

[Khelegond]

OT: Necro, in Brazil is something like "O" (male), "A" female, and for things (the 'IT' in english), we don't have a specific pronoum. It's just one for each one of them. Example - Chair it's a female word ("a cadeira"), while book it's a male ("o livro"). Weird hein?

Back on topic - I don't think Guts will abandon Casca to her fate (lol). He wants her healed so she can help him, it's a bit of a stretch to think Guts would have so much trouble to heal Casca to simply abandon her.

He still hates Griffith, but I think he's weary of his chase...let's see the next chapters