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Hilarious.

The best thing about this clip is the way the cop acts. He's pretty damn calm about everything and he's funny about it as well :P.
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haha
she got what she deserved.
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Old.

I don't see how a cop tazing a woman is funny either.

Fucking guy should be arrested.
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So you think that drivers with no front windshield, no seatbelt on, broken tail-light and going 51 miles per hour in a 35 zone, with a suspended liscence, should be allowed to talk to a police officer like she was? Not to mention if you believe what the officer said she took a shot at the other police officer on the scene.

I suspect she was the one going to jail.
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I added "asshole" because I'm angry like that.

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newbified wrote:So you think that drivers with no front windshield, no seatbelt on, broken tail-light and going 51 miles per hour in a 35 zone, with a suspended liscence, should be allowed to talk to a police officer like she was?
That's completely besides the point, the police officer did something that was absolutely unnecessary and out of line. Some police officers are not fit to wear that badge, just look at some of the stuff that happened in New Orleans.

But hey, if think it's "hilarious" to see a woman in pain because of something as petty as speeding or a busted tail-light then suit yourself.

I don't think you'd be laughing if that had been your mother or sister.

Asshole.
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And what should he have done then in that situation Femto? You after all, know all the answers and you certainly know better than me (as well as most forum members it seems). How else was he going to get her out of the car, especially after he noticed her being violent to the other police officer on the scene? Grabbing her and dragging her out of the car? Pepper spray? Telling her that's it's alright and he'll let her off with a warning this time?

The difference here is that a taser is a means of incapacitating someone without much bodily harm. Now how do you compare that to what happened in New Orleans? He didn't pull her out of the car and call in backup so 5 cops could surround her and kick her while she's on the ground. So I'd said that's a pretty erroneous comparison.

I'd be laughing if it was you in the car though.

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The police officer was being relatively polite to her even when she went crazy and stuff, but I did think that shooting her with a taser was a bit unnecessary. I think I could understand her futile efforts to talk her way out of it, because of her suspended license, but that doesn't excuse the fact that she's driving a dodgy vehicle which had the capacity to cause damage to someone else other than her own. She was a danger to other motorists and pedestrian, with her speeding and driving under a suspended license, endangering people's lives. I'm leaning towards newbified's favour considering the facts, but I did think it was needlessly cruel to zap her though. I just can't imagine anybody in their right mind to drive a vehicle such as that, and even consider driving with their suspended license.
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Listen man, I think it's in real bad taste to laugh about something like that, don't take it so personally.

What would I have done? I don't know, I'm not a cop, but, as I said, using a tazer on a woman that was putting no real struggle whatsoever was completely unncessary. After all, she wasn't screaming or yelling and she wasn't punching anyone, at best she was just being uncooperative.

You should read up on tasers and see under what circumstances they can be used, I'm pretty sure that using one on an uncooperative woman that is speeding is more than excessive.

You may or may not agree with the officer's choice, but laughing about something like this is completely insensitive and childish.

EDIT: The New Orleans comment was not a comparison you dumbass, it's just proof of the fact that some cops are not fit to do the job.
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Post by Quest »

its funny because the lady thought she could get away with endangering people's lives just by ignoring the orders of a policeman.
its funny because the policeman felt he needed to use a taser in that situation.
its funny cos it happened to other people halfway around the world. i dont think i can see this kind of crap in like a 1million km around me.

not american home videos funny. dark humour funny.
to me anyways.
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Femto wrote:Listen man, I think it's in real bad taste to laugh about something like that, don't take it so personally.
You tell me not to take it so personally, but you personally attack me twice in this thread? The first time without any provocation at all, and the second as an edit to call me a dumbass, in the same post you tell me not to take it so personally?
Femto wrote:What would I have done? I don't know, I'm not a cop, but, as I said, using a tazer on a woman that was putting no real struggle whatsoever was completely unncessary. After all, she wasn't screaming or yelling and she wasn't punching anyone, at best she was just being uncooperative.
She was swearing, and being completely uncooperative to just about anything the police officer asked her to do. And as I have said before in this topic, but I will reitterate once again, in the video the police officer even says that she "took a swing" at the other officer on the scene. Certainly seems to me, that he was justified if that is indeed the case.
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I would say since she tried to hit a police officer, that she would be considered one of the above "dangerous" or more likely "combative" types of people that they talk about in the above paragraph. So I guess tasers actually are for people who are uncooperative and speeding if they try to get a punch in at a police officer.
Femto wrote:You may or may not agree with the officer's choice, but laughing about something like this is completely insensitive and childish.
I think it's funny because it's a product of her poor choices up to this point that the situation unfolded as it did. It was her choice to speed, to have a broken windshield, have no seat belt, and drive under a suspended liscence. Then she decided to be uncooperative and combative, and try to attack a police officer while the other was giving her ample warning that if she didn't cooperate by getting out of the car he was going to get her out of the car himself. I'm sorry if I don't feel remorse for a woman who's poor judgement ended up getting herself hurt.

And now, I'm gonna go play some SWAT 4 and run through some missions with the taser in honor of Femto.
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Get over yourself.

We can argue about the use of excessive for about as much as we can argue about the death penalty and never come to a conclusion, but that is not the point.

Wether it was warranted or not, you're laughing at a woman that is in pain.

You are an idiot in my book.

PS: Read the title of my second post.

PPS: If you think that woman was a "dangerous, combative or high-risk individual," then you're more of an idiot than I thought.
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I honestly can't say that she really did take a swing at the officer, we couldn't really see anything since she was in the car. The officer might just be saying that to the camera to justify his actions, it may or may not be true.

Quest had the right idea. It's very dark humour alright, personally, I didn't find it funny, nor was I appalled at that women's treatment. Most of us laugh when bad things happen to idiots, and I guess it was that moment for people.
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Every single thread turns into an arguement now. . .

Anyways. I'm not gona lie to you. I've seen this before and I laughed pretty hard. I dont care if its wrong. It helped that the girl who got tased reminded me alot of this one girl that pisses me the fuck off.
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Excessive use of force. Why is this even an argument?


Don't they have baton things to poke people with anymore?
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They cant carry botons but they do have a teleoscope submission/pressure point hitting device. It is about two and a half feet long (extended) with a little ball at the end. Not speaking from experence, but when you get hit in the joints that body part goes limp. Seen it in a demo once, cop hits guy in the back of the knee and the guy goes down like a sack of potatos. :twisted:

IMO I would rather get shocked than hit with one of those.
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The cop did the right thing. He has to show who is "boss" in order to prevent chaos. That woman had no reason to argue or to struggle. She got what she deserved.
But is it funny? ... No, it's more like pathetic.
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I wonder if she was given a warning like this, "If you continue to be uncooperative we are going to tazer you!!!" because if there was that women knew what coming and deserved it. But if there wasn't then the tazer was uncalled for.

The whole tazering could have been avoided if the cop would have wiped out his retractable baton and showed it to her, and said "I am going to have to use this on you"

PS that would suck to get shocked without knowing that it was coming and I love getting shocked :twisted:
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I didn't laugh at this but the officer was justified in his actions. He repeatedly requested that she give him her license and she didn't. He politely asked her to step out of the car even though she was giving him all that talk and she refused. He asked her to put the cell phone down and get out of the car and she straight up disrespected him.

Excessive force? He warned her more than once and she still wasn't following directions. This video showed the guy doing his job and it featured some lady doing all that talk but folding when the officer decided to use what was avaliable to him.

Yeah, it hurts but she should be thankful he didn't pull that baton out. If it was a man then he would have given him the same treatment. Arguing over if he was right to do it or not should be dismissed when she obviously wasn't listening to him. She probably didn't deserve to get shot twice but she'd probably follow directions next time.
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Bottom line: you don't mess up with police officers.
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Albator wrote:Bottom line: you don't mess up with police officers.
Because they uphold the law or because we should be afraid of them?

It's a big difference and the reason why I disagree with nearly everyone that has posted here on the tasing subject.
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Because american cops are crazy...?
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Femto wrote:
Albator wrote:Bottom line: you don't mess up with police officers.
Because they uphold the law or because we should be afraid of them?
I'd say a little bit of both. It really depends on the officer you encounter. My friend took a Criminal Justice class and told me about one of the guys he took a ride-along with. He was dealing with some guy (I forget what the man was doing) and the guy went for his gun. Now, once you go for an officer's gun, your life is forfeit. The cop had every right to kill him then and there and no court of law would have convicted him of any crime. This officer however chose to take out his Asp (An extendable club with a hard metal tip from my understanding) and proceeded to break the man's collar bone and subdue him.

I dunno, in this case it did seem excessive to use the tasers, but there didn't seem to be a whole lot the officers could do. She obviously wasn't coming of her own accord. The choices were the taser, pepper spray or trying to pull her out (Which I guess in their view risked the officers getting hurt from an unseen weapon). I dunno, anytime a policeman says "I will ____ you with this ____ if you don't (stop) _____" I think it should be evident they aren't kidding.
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Femto wrote:
Albator wrote:Bottom line: you don't mess up with police officers.
Because they uphold the law or because we should be afraid of them?

It's a big difference and the reason why I disagree with nearly everyone that has posted here on the tasing subject.
Because they represent the law. If the cop if wrong well you'll have other recourts later, but at the moment they arrest you, you comply and shut up. And because in the US cops are a little more....edgy, compare to France at least, where I've seen numerous people talking crap to cops and not get tazered in the process. But then that's another debate.
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I didn't laugh, and I saw several problems.

1) She opened her door. That makes any law-enforcement official nervious and is discouraged in Drivers Education.

2) She MUST hand the officer her license and registration when asked, you can't get around this. Doing so will land you in jail.

3) She had a suspended license, in Florida (which this takes place):
Driving While License Suspended or Revoked- s. 322.34, F.S.

Any person whose driver license/privilege is suspended for Driving with an Unlawful Alcohol Level, or revoked for DUI, DUI Manslaughter or Vehicular Homicide, or for any other offense ordered by the court and who causes death or serious bodily injury to another person by operating a motor vehicle in a careless or negligent manner is guilty of a 3rd degree felony, punishable by both imprisonment of not more than 5 years, a fine not to exceed $5,000, or both.


In florida, you do not get a suspended license unless you are cought DUI.

4) Broken tail light is a primary moving violation, which means they can pull you over for that alone, and issue you secondary violations like seat belts.


Here is a great peace about stun-guns.

Bottom line, stun-guns is are a quick and easy compliance tool. It minimizes casualties on both sides, does reduce fatalities, and in the long run less painfull than a bullet whole or botton hit.

The problem is the 'quick' part, some officers are quick to use it, for better or worse. This video reminds me of some 'COMPLY COMPLY' movie (like Equalibrium), and I wish it didn't have to end that way. However, the 'victim'/'suspect' had many things going against her.

You take responsiblity for your actions, officer and civilian alike. The officer is an enforcer of law, her chance to redress the enforcement is done in the court system. She should not have acted the way she did.
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psi29a wrote:I didn't laugh, and I saw several problems.

1) She opened her door. That makes any law-enforcement official nervious and is discouraged in Drivers Education.

2) She MUST hand the officer her license and registration when asked, you can't get around this. Doing so will land you in jail.

3) She had a suspended license, in Florida (which this takes place):
Driving While License Suspended or Revoked- s. 322.34, F.S.

Any person whose driver license/privilege is suspended for Driving with an Unlawful Alcohol Level, or revoked for DUI, DUI Manslaughter or Vehicular Homicide, or for any other offense ordered by the court and who causes death or serious bodily injury to another person by operating a motor vehicle in a careless or negligent manner is guilty of a 3rd degree felony, punishable by both imprisonment of not more than 5 years, a fine not to exceed $5,000, or both.


In florida, you do not get a suspended license unless you are cought DUI.

4) Broken tail light is a primary moving violation, which means they can pull you over for that alone, and issue you secondary violations like seat belts.


Here is a great peace about stun-guns.

Bottom line, stun-guns is are a quick and easy compliance tool. It minimizes casualties on both sides, does reduce fatalities, and in the long run less painfull than a bullet whole or botton hit.

The problem is the 'quick' part, some officers are quick to use it, for better or worse. This video reminds me of some 'COMPLY COMPLY' movie (like Equalibrium), and I wish it didn't have to end that way. However, the 'victim'/'suspect' had many things going against her.

You take responsiblity for your actions, officer and civilian alike. The officer is an enforcer of law, her chance to redress the enforcement is done in the court system. She should not have acted the way she did.
actually they'll suspend for an unpaid ticket too... happened to me back in 2001
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