Japan can suck my wang (derailed into comic book discussion)

[Libaax]

I cant choose between him and Superman. Batman is much more dark,mysterious. Superman has the nerd persona and the biggest weakness a superhero can have.

Two other favs are Marv from SC and Hellboy even thought they arent really superheroes.

[Femto]

For starters, the title of best superhero HAS to be between Superman, Batman and Spiderman. There's no way around it. These three are classics that have endured the test of time and have remained virtually unchanged. No other character represents as much as these three.

The reason why Batman is the best superhero ever is because he's the purest one of the three.

Uncle Ben was killed because of Peter Parker's inability to act. He is Spiderman because he feels guilt for allowing that and he'll never stop because it'll always haunt him.

Superman is the most powerful being in the planet and was raised by well meaning parents. He wants to help because his superiority compared to other humans prevents him from just being a normal person.

Now look at Bruce Wayne. The guy is rich. He can get any woman he wants. He is a normal human that can have the best life in the world but he can't allow himself to do it. His parents were shot dead and he just doesn't want that to happen to everyone else. He genuinely wants to do good in his city as opposed to Spiderman that is driven by guilt or Superman whose powers made him a superhero. A normal crime that happens every day, but it is enough to make Bruce Wayne risk his neck every night to make his city pure. You might say that it is revenge that drives him, but I think it's something beyond that. Revenge usually drives you against the person that caused the harm in the first place but Batman goes against every criminal there is. Sure, it's twisted him and he obsesses over it, but out of the three, he's the one that'd have the easiest time just going back to being a normal person, but he never does.

[/comic book nerd mode off]

[BasouKazuma]

Batman is my favorite superhero for most of those reasons.

Spiderman would be second and Superman would be a distant 3rd.

[LordMune]

Batman will always be the best. I'm not into american comics at all, but, you know, still. I never got what you were supposed to like about Superman, and Spiderman is emo.

[Pikachupast]

BasouKazuma said:

"Yes, this movie was kinda sick though it doesnt really show anything gratuotis, it just eludes to a lot of nasty stuff. I don't remember the name cuz my bro just popped it in without telling me and we started watching it.

So yea, women are kinda treated badly but some women use that to their advantage. Any way you look at it, the situation is screwed up."

I think you´re talking about Samaritan Girl, aren´t you?

[BasouKazuma]

BasouKazuma said:

"Yes, this movie was kinda sick though it doesnt really show anything gratuotis, it just eludes to a lot of nasty stuff. I don't remember the name cuz my bro just popped it in without telling me and we started watching it.

So yea, women are kinda treated badly but some women use that to their advantage. Any way you look at it, the situation is screwed up."

I think you´re talking about Samaritan Girl, aren´t you?

The name didn't ring any bells but i googled it anyway and that's not the movie. Also, Samaritan Girl is a Korean movie, not a Japanese one.

Eh, the name doesnt matter anyway.

[Eldo]

I don't like Superman because he's too seriously overpowered. His only weakness is a piece of radiactive rock where his power derives from. There's pretty much nothing that can touch him altogether. Batman is overall the best character evar, he just relies sorely on his l33t skillz.

And I recently got around to reading Sandman, it's pretty awesome.

[Femto]

I don't like Superman because he's too seriously overpowered. His only weakness is a piece of radiactive rock where his power derives from. There's pretty much nothing that can touch him altogether. Batman is overall the best character evar, he just relies sorely on his l33t skillz.

And I recently got around to reading Sandman, it's pretty awesome.

Sandman is ridiculously good.

Wait until you get to the chapter where he goes back to hell.

And yes, I'm still up.

I've been working on my wicked awesome animation.



PS: I didn't even know we had that emoticon.

'Tis awesome.

[Eldo]

Yeah, when Morpheus accepts the key to hell. That's a mighty fine story arc. Haven't read up to anything beyond that though.

[Femto]

I'm not done with the whole series myself (up to vol. 6 at this point, with 7 on the way), but as soon as I pick up the next volume, I read it beginning to end in one sitting. It's just that engrossing. Some of the best stories are the short ones that don't really have a lot to do with the main arc and just deal with dreams and the world of the Sandman. Those little stories that just make you smile, like the one with the girl that couldn't die. There are lots of these in the 6th volume, but I don't want to spoil anything.

You should pick up (or leech, whichever you prefer) 1602 if you liked Sandman. It's the Marvel universe being born in the year 1602.

Neil Gaiman is just such a fantastic writer. His stories are very uplifting and fullfilling.

It's hard to find that kind of stuff nowadays.

[Eldo]

The best mini story I liked was the man he met every hundred years. It was interesting to see the different time period they were in, and it shows how much Morpheus needed attention. I also like that mini-story with Shakespeare too, about Midsummer's Dream. I thought that was rather clever.

[LordMune]

Just so you know, volume 10 kicks so much ass emotionally and art-wise, it's insane. Look forward to it.

EDIT: Indeed, Gaiman = win.

[Tempest]

You should pick up (or leech, whichever you prefer) 1602 if you liked Sandman. It's the Marvel universe being born in the year 1602.

Word @ 1602. A very interesting take on the story. I enjoy those kinds of comics that take characters you know and love and throw them into something totally different. That's why I liked "Age of Apocalypse" a lot, though not so much the "Ultimate Marvel" series. I was kinda freaked when I found out that the Ultimate incarnation of Collosus (one of my favorite X-Men) is gay. Not that I hated him for it, it just seemed like a wierd thing to do. Also, the changing of Nick Fury to a black guy just seemed odd as well.

[Eldo]

I loved Age of Apocalypse, in fact, I wished it had continue on like that. They did some shitty AoA comic pretty recent (the events after the fall of Apocalypse), and I'll have to tell you that it's shit for the second time.

I did enjoy reading Ultimates though, (but the rest set in the ultimate world sux0rz), it's interesting seeing how Thor's abit screwed up, and yes, Nick Fury is black which I find weird too.

[Shaka Zulu]

Is Sandman alot better then Lucifer? Because I have read Lucifer,and its a comic based around Lucifer who is a character in Sandman,the bad guy there I guess? (sense he is the devil ).

Just wondering how great Sandman must be sense I find Lucifer to be such an awesome comic.


And the person who said Superman is overpowered is completely right.It gets so fricking boring on the long run,no one to challenge him seriously,to get in real danger.His character is kinda boring too.But he is one of my favourites anyway(I suspect that its only because of his powers though,and for being the ultimate hero).

[dos.azn]

whats with all this irrelevant discussion? the real matter of the topic is

you have a wang??

[Femto]

The best mini story I liked was the man he met every hundred years. It was interesting to see the different time period they were in, and it shows how much Morpheus needed attention. I also like that mini-story with Shakespeare too, about Midsummer's Dream. I thought that was rather clever.

Yeah, the story of the guy he meets every hundred years is great too.

It's also cool to see how Gaiman goes back to these little things in later stories, like how Morpheus actually visits this guy before he goes to see Lucifer.

As for the Ultimate line, it's all good. I've never given anything they've done on that line much thought, though I did hear they nerfed Sinister pretty bad. It's a whole new set of characters so it doesn't feel wierd to see a black Fury because he's not the same Fury of the Marvel Universe. Black Fury > white Fury though. Ultimates is just an awesome comic, though I stopped reading that a while ago, need to get those trades.

BTW, changed title of this thread.

[LordMune]

Morpheus is one of my favorite characters in any media, period. He's a balance act, and Gaiman pulls it off with exellence.
Morpheus is not just a cold, inhuman personification of REM-sleep, nor is he nice just for the sake of it. He knows humanity's place in relation to his own position, but he is not devoid of feeling, yet he never goes all-out raging emo or becomes otherwise passionate about things, although there are a few close calls. He is somewhere between your average petty anti-hero, good guy and detached, personality-less anthropomorphic personification. His "human" side, which shows during his once-a-hundred-years meetings with the immortal guy is what makes him interesting, but he never flaunts it, meaning that when it shows it actually means something.

/incomprehensiblerant

[Femto]

Even his relationship with Orpheus is atypical.

I thought Alan Moore did an awesome job in writing a god-like being in Watchmen, but the difference between Dr. Manhattan and Morpheus is that the Dream King has existed forever and Neil Gaiman does a great job at giving him a personality that fits his role in the universe. Like you said, he is detached because of having lived so long, but still very human when all is said and done.

I'm still having a hard time nailing what kind of person he is, but that's just befitting of his divine nature.

[Tempest]

Meh, my only real problem is that some characters (Collosus/Fury/Thor, etc) got their stories or lives totally changed around to something different, while others (Spiderman/Capt America/Fantastic Four) Were barely changed at all, except that Spidey is a bit younger and The Cap is more devious.

[Eldo]

You mean, Cap is more redneck and more rightwing.

[Femto]

Meh, my only real problem is that some characters (Collosus/Fury/Thor, etc) got their stories or lives totally changed around to something different, while others (Spiderman/Capt America/Fantastic Four) Were barely changed at all, except that Spidey is a bit younger and The Cap is more devious.

They didn't 'change' anything because it's a whole new universe.

[Tempest]

Bah, if they are changing the whole universe, why not change everybody around, especially Spidey and the Fantastic Four? I think it would be cool to see what would happen if were to actually save Uncle Ben in that universe, or something else that could really affect his character and the feel of the comic. I think a pretty rad thing to do would be to like switch the FFs powers. Reed Richards as Thing, Susie as the human torch, Johnny as Mr. Fantastic (The phalic jokes alone would make this worth it with him) and Ben Grimm as the Invisible Man. I dunno, that's just something I thought up, just to switch it around a bit. Upon further consideration, the Cap is pretty different from his usual self, his Ultimate version works.

[Femto]

Bah, if they are changing the whole universe, why not change everybody around, especially Spidey and the Fantastic Four? I think it would be cool to see what would happen if were to actually save Uncle Ben in that universe, or something else that could really affect his character and the feel of the comic. I think a pretty rad thing to do would be to like switch the FFs powers. Reed Richards as Thing, Susie as the human torch, Johnny as Mr. Fantastic (The phalic jokes alone would make this worth it with him) and Ben Grimm as the Invisible Man. I dunno, that's just something I thought up, just to switch it around a bit. Upon further consideration, the Cap is pretty different from his usual self, his Ultimate version works.

Uncle Ben is the sole reason why Peter Parker is Spiderman, him staying alive would effectively ruin his purpose in the story.

And switching the FF around would be lame.

'Look at me! I'm Johnny Storm, but instead of being able to create flames, which fits with my personality quite perfectly, I can stretch a lot.'

Lame jokes aside, you might enjoy the Ultimate line more if you forfeit any preconcieved notions you might have about the Marvel Universe, because the Ultimate Universe is anything but that. Just think of it as a whole new set of characters and worry less about how much more they could've changed what you know of them.

[Eldo]

Uncle Ben ALIVE?! HOUSE OF M!

Johnny Storm did switch powers with Sue Storm at one stage.That was lame.