Which do you prefer: The manga or the anime? Why?

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:22 am

Eldo wrote:Well, I have to disagree with you on that point Starnum. You forgot at that time Ed is a thirteen year old kid who has no experience in KILLING and SLICING at that point. It's only natural for a kid to have a scared shitless response when he finds out that can Barry kills with no remorse, while he is quite the opposite. Despite the training, you cannot beat the psychological thought that 'I'm gonna die if I don't kill him...but I never killed anyone in my life'. See, even with the training, it's not possible for him to have a decent fight when his arm and leg has gone all numb. Yes he would kick his arse NOW, since he has gathered more experience...see how he 'killed' the homunculus who resembled his mother? And did I mention he was a KID a the time ? While he had recieved training, he knows that he can't be killed there...but in a real life situation it's another matter all together.

It's much like a police officer who fires the first shot and kills someone. While they are trained at shooting and are responsible with the firearm, they have to live with the fact they are obliged to take lives when required - and it becomes second nature to them later. While you can train the body, you cannot train the mind...unless you live through the experience.

Ah, nice try sir, but I have a very good retort for you. You see, Ed would not freak out like that and act like a scared little bitch. See, I understand Ed’s personally, and that’s an out of character action for him. To support this, I will give some facts. First all, this scene with Barry the Butcher, only takes place in the anime. I don’t feel that the animators could have possibly understood Ed better than his creator, Arisawa. More importantly, we’ve already seen his bravery in the face of impending death, back when he was on the island. See, and that even happened before he became a state alchemist. Remember when Izumi made them stay on that island for a month, and there was a crazy guy that was trying to kill them! Of course he wasn’t really trying to kill them, but they didn’t know that at first, and yet still Ed fought bravely against the guy, which is named Mason. As for your other point, no one ever said Ed had to kill Barry. I’m sure he could have just beat him senseless if he’d wanted. Now, with that aside, I’ll admit that it’s kind of possible that the kid may act that way in the heat of the moment for some screwed up reason…but it’s just not likely. Especially for someone like Ed. The animators made him respond in a typical manner, that’s why it seems appropriate…but Ed is far from typical my friend. *Nods*

Post by **Buzkashi** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:33 am

The man has a Auto mail leg...Its made out of metal, yes thats right metal. He did'nt even have to do anyhting but kick Barry the Butcher once. And im sure no matter where he kicked him Barry would be out of comission for a little while, considering that Eds leg is made out of metal. Now if he had done that he would have had enought time to reconnect his arm and promptley fuck his shit up. But in the anime, in particular the Barry the Butcher seen, Ed is a pussy yes thats right a pussy.

Post by **Evanidus** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:39 am

Pergatory wrote:Has the manga past the anime yet? well i'm not saying it will or wont but i hope it does

Yes and no

The story of the anime and manga forked in different directions.

So neither continue the other.

Anime made up its own ending and manga is continuing normally (some characters that are dead in the anime are alive in the manga and vise-versa too)

The manga is still on-going too (new raws are still coming out) -- So obviously, nothing that shows up in these new chapters ever shown up in the anime.

As a side-note, raws are at ch43 right now (last I heard).

Post by **hubrisnxs** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:14 am

Manga.

Characterizations are better and the plot doesn't have huge holes in it. I liked the anime but I got annoyed at the end how they 'borrowed' certain scenes from recent chapters even when they weren't following the same plot. It really just irritated me, I guess they have that discretion though. I could just be a manga biased whore, but anyways...

Yoki and Barry the Chopper are way cooler in the manga too

Post by **Evanidus** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:29 am

hubrisnxs wrote:Yoki and Barry the Chopper are way cooler in the manga too

lol, indeed.

*had fun inserting Barry's Gwahahaha while editing ch38*

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:34 am

Yeah, for sure. Barry from the manga would kick that loser from the anime's ass.

Did you notice how in the anime Barry is a petit little fag, but in the manga he's like this stalky and buffed up wild man?

Post by **hubrisnxs** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:04 am

Indeed. Rokuroku-kun was one of my favourite manga characters. He was such a cross-dressing loser in the anime... *denies end of chapter 39*

Also... Ling/Rin is great. Anime-only fans really don't know who they're missing with this weirdo.

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:41 am

Starnum wrote:Ah, nice try sir, but I have a very good retort for you. You see, Ed would not freak out like that and act like a scared little bitch. See, I understand Ed’s personally, and that’s an out of character action for him. To support this, I will give some facts. First all, this scene with Barry the Butcher, only takes place in the anime. I don’t feel that the animators could have possibly understood Ed better than his creator, Arisawa. More importantly, we’ve already seen his bravery in the face of impending death, back when he was on the island. See, and that even happened before he became a state alchemist. Remember when Izumi made them stay on that island for a month, and there was a crazy guy that was trying to kill them! Of course he wasn’t really trying to kill them, but they didn’t know that at first, and yet still Ed fought bravely against the guy, which is named Mason. As for your other point, no one ever said Ed had to kill Barry. I’m sure he could have just beat him senseless if he’d wanted. Now, with that aside, I’ll admit that it’s kind of possible that the kid may act that way in the heat of the moment for some screwed up reason…but it’s just not likely. Especially for someone like Ed. The animators made him respond in a typical manner, that’s why it seems appropriate…but Ed is far from typical my friend. *Nods*

well, I consider Ed a real tougharse too...but I still consider him a kid at heart. While he has placed barriers surrounding his heart, but in truth, he is still a child. Lt. Ross treats Ed like a kid. That's because he is. Underneath his tough exterior, he knows he's a child, but he denies it. Remember when he went berserk in his transmutation in the prison? It was where Lt Ross hugged him, and Ed muttered 'Mom', and the reaction ceased. That response, (to me, but I know you'll disagree) shows that Ed is not entirely capable of fully hiding his feelings. I guess you can say that in his subconcious state(incapable of normal function), Ed's still a child. But Ed is very good at burying his feelings so they don't resurface. That is why we don't see any weakness in him when he killed his 'own mother'.

Now, he has performed human transmutation, and that scared the shits out of him. But that doesn't mean he is capable of combating every obstacle that is thrown before him. I think there is a big reason why the animators put that episode in. One big thing I saw, is the absence of Al in the Barry the Chopper scene. In the crazy guy scene in the island, Ed is with Al, and that bond they share is so strong that they care nothing about fear. I admit, if Al was with Ed in that room with Barry the chopper, he would have easily creamed him. Al fills the dents in Ed's armour, it is their bond that keeps Ed strong, and it makes him able to face anything. With Al absent, Ed could not think straight, mostly because the bond is 'broken'. Which is why he could not fight Barry at his best performance, and the metal arms and legs don't help when your body's shaking with fear and numb. The episode is supposed to say that Ed cannot do without Al, and well, frankly, Ed would have killed Barry out of fear, if not Al stopped him at the right moment. (which makes me think why it was Al that stopped and not anyone else) The whole series really show the strong bond these brothers share - and that episode shows what would happen if that bond is somehow missing...

As for his fear...I guess in the island that when the brothers are together, at least they can work out how to combat this fear. And the crazy guy (Moran) did not kill them, only knocking them out, scaring them away and stealing their food (I can't recheck my episodes. Correct me if I'm wrong). Now, Ed is in a room alone with a crazed psychopath who's hobby is killing...and shows his 'enjoyment' openly with no remorse. Also, he's surrounded by 'meat', which is like a constant reminder that this could happen to him. He thinks irrational thoughts without Al's presence, which can explain his state of panic. Ed knows that he can fight another battle in the island, but with Barry...it was another situation all together.

At the end, it's really a nature vs nurture situation. While Ed could be said that he is 'bred for war', is it really in his nature, as a child, to be afraid in a situation like with Barry's? Is it the unpredictability of the lethal human mind that one must fear?

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:38 am

Well, I disagree, and you’ve yet to change my mind. Oh well, I guess I’ve failed to do so for you either. Ed and Al definitely have a strong bond, but I don’t think that has anything to do with why Ed was afraid of Barry the Butcher. It seems like your reaching here, but oh well. By the way, it’s Mason, not Moran. Truthfully though, this scene only takes place in the anime. I think that’s all the proof we need. When have we ever seen Ed cower in fear like that in the manga? Let’s not forget, the manga is where Ed is really from after all.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:50 am

Starnum wrote:Well, I disagree, and you’ve yet to change my mind. Oh well, I guess I’ve failed to do so for you either. Ed and Al definitely have a strong bond, but I don’t think that has anything to do with why Ed was afraid of Barry the Butcher. It seems like your reaching here, but oh well. By the way, it’s Mason, not Moran. Truthfully though, this scene only takes place in the anime. I think that’s all the proof we need. When have we ever seen Ed cower in fear like that in the manga? Let’s not forget, the manga is where Ed is really from after all.

*sigh*. I don't really mind that you disagree. We are all entitled to our opinion, I guess. I thought that episode was trying to portray human nature, and that Ed is hopeless without Al. That's all. It was really an exchange of ideas between you and me.

Post by **Starnum** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:40 am

Eldo wrote:*sigh*. I don't really mind that you disagree. We are all entitled to our opinion, I guess. I thought that episode was trying to portray human nature, and that Ed is hopeless without Al. That's all. It was really an exchange of ideas between you and me.

*Pats Eldo on the back* That's okay, I know how you feel. *He then walks off chuckling to himself*

Post by **Eldo** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:06 am

*Pats Eldo on the back* That's okay, I know how you feel. *He then walks off chuckling to himself*[/quote]

*proceeds to light a cigarette once he notices Starnum has left*

Post by **Starnum** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:04 am

*Hides in the shadows and laughs at Eldo's failure to properly use the quote function.*

Post by **Eldo** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:20 am

hehe I deleted the that part when I was deleting my own quote. Oh, THE IRONY!!!

*Runs around town square naked*

(Think Beck manga)

Post by **shalb** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:11 pm

the manga

although i finished the entire anime long before i went back and continued reading the manga from chapter 8 or so, i still like the manga better. for me, the anime and manga started off differently. sure they share the same main characters, come across the same events, but one thing the anime lacks is the amount of ppl ed and al meet in their journey (prolly cuz u cant have a hundred voice actors some of which are there for only one eps).

as for the difference between ed in the manga and anime, it seems like the anime made ed more like a child, but for those who read the manga, ed's a total badass making the ed in the anime look like a pussy.

Post by **InsaneNoodlyGuy** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:34 am

The point you seem to be missing eldo, is this: Yes, you can think up theories as to how Ed is still really a kid and how he'd react as such. But no matter how convincing the scene is, it doesn't change the fact that THE ANIME GOT IT WRONG. That's not how Ed is supposed to be. The creator has made Ed as such that it isn't how he's supposed to be. Yeah, maybe he could get scared, but he wouldn't express it in that way. Buzkashi has it right. The simple fact is, they took a hard badass and made him a friggin pussy. And that's wrong.

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:37 am

Buzkashi? The fuck, I'm the one who's been sitting here explaining, in great detail, why the anime got it wrong...but Buzkashi got it right...what the hell...Besides, I've all ready given those points. If they didn't get through to Eldo the first time, what makes you think he'll listen to you?

Post by **InsaneNoodlyGuy** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:43 am

Starnum wrote:Buzkashi? The fuck, I'm the one who's been sitting here explaining, in great detail, why the anime got it wrong...but Buzkashi got it right...what the hell...Besides, I've all ready given those points. If they didn't get through to Eldo the first time, what makes you think he'll listen to you?

Yes, but Buzkashi said it first.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:49 am

Starnum wrote:Buzkashi? The fuck, I'm the one who's been sitting here explaining, in great detail, why the anime got it wrong...but Buzkashi got it right...what the hell...Besides, I've all ready given those points. If they didn't get through to Eldo the first time, what makes you think he'll listen to you?

Hey, we all have our own opinions. I watched the anime first before reading the manga, so that sorta explains why I lean towards the anime. I accept Starnum's arguments, he offers alot of valid points. Thing is, I believe firmly that it was his nature as a child that caused him to behave the way he did, while Starnum offers other points such as his nurturing and his earlier encounters with Human transmutation and the incident in the island. It doesn't mean that I'm 'hey, fuck you, I'm right, you're fucking wrong'. I understand Starnum's reasoning to why he provided his reasons. He's not trying to enforce that I totally submit to his reasoning, but hopes that I can be enriched with the knowledge he provided. I admit Ed is a badarse, and that episode was not written by the author. I'm just saying that he has a possiblility to freak out under such circumstances without his brother present and facing a serial killer who shreds with no remorse.

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:55 am

Right. I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinions. Just give my own, with valid points to back them up. Maybe give people something to chew on. Anyway, I’ve made my case. That’s why I dropped it *shrugs*.

Post by **Antisthenex** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:29 am

Pergatory wrote:Has the manga past the anime yet? well i'm not saying it will or wont but i hope it does

The Manga won't be, "passing," the anime. It's too different for it to do that.

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:30 am

That's for sure.

Post by **Gatzz** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:45 pm

The anime of FMA is pretty cool.
Because of the great difference between the manga and the anime, it is hard to choose.

Its like asking somebody: "Which apple do you like better, the green one or the yellow banana?"

*drinking his beer, thinking he made a point right there*

Post by **Buzkashi** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:32 am

The hell....

Post by **Gatzz** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:19 pm

I had a good point... very good...