PS3 Thread

[ZoddsNo1Fan]

http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html ... ea5054cf35

In news that is sure to rock the gaming world it has been confirmed that Final Fantasy XIII, the blockbuster RPG highly anticipated by millions of fans of the series, will not be an exclusive game for the PlayStation 3 console.

The Final Fantasy XIII project as of right now consists of two games for the PlayStation 3 as well as a mobile game. Motomu Toriyama of Square Enix has come out and made the confirmation that other consoles will be receiving Final Fantasy XIII on top of the PlayStation 3.

Dont call me a xbox fanboy, i dont even own an xbox, i just keep up with what goes on.

[Malvado]

You see, that is when they messed up. They didn't use the compilation name Fabula Nova Crystallis or some shit. They were pointing at the fact that the compilation won't be PS3 exclusive something everyone knows. Not the game itself because all the games are named "Final Fantasy XIII" with something between fantasy and XIII.

[Facade19]

Exclusive or not, FF versus 13 will be mine for my PS3.

[lon3vvolf]

Oh noes! If it must be on some european PS3 fan site, its gotta be true, cuz everything on the interweb is true.

Seriously, unless it comes out of the horses mouth your just peddeling unfounded garbage. Yeah, final fantasy xii wasn't exclusive to ps2 also. *ahem reverant wings*
And yes, i will be oh so heartbroken [please detect the sarcasm] if 'finalf fantasy xiii: totally unrelated to the main game' game comes out for DS or wii. C'mon, theres no way in hell ffxiii is going to xbox360. That thing is dead in Japan, and I don't think xbox fanboys are crying about not having it. And Sakaguchi(creater of FF and the other original guys0 went and made Mistwalker studios, so I bet theres bad blood there now. Should I go on...?

[Malvado]

I want Matsuno to have my babies.

[Femto]

C'mon, theres no way in hell ffxiii is going to xbox360. That thing is dead in Japan, and I don't think xbox fanboys are crying about not having it. And Sakaguchi(creater of FF and the other original guys0 went and made Mistwalker studios, so I bet theres bad blood there now. Should I go on...?

The Japanese market is nowhere near as big as either the American or European markets (unless you happen to be called Dragon Quest or DS Lite, of course), just look at worldwide sales numbers for proof.

Square-Enix is a company that shamelessly milks their frachises.

There is no way for a FFXIII game to not be released on the 360 which, unless I'm mistaken, still has the biggest marketshare out of all three consoles by a few million consoles.

Everybody knows SQ is planning on releasing like a dozen FFXIII games and you think they won't be releasing one on the 360 to make free money on the name alone?

Maybe if you thought with your head instead of the dick in your hand you'd be able to realize that SQ only cares about your money and releasing a FFXIII game on every console as opposed to a only single one as they have previously done will force idiots to spend more money on them.

(The "dick in hand" is from masturbating to FFXIII, by the way.)

As far as I'm concerned, Square-Enix can take every single one of their FFXIII games and shove them as far up their asses as they can.

A company that sells crappy games on game recognition alone is not getting a cent from me.

Long live Square from back in the SNES era when they actually made good games.

Dragon Quest VIII was fantastic though.

EDIT: Also, your bad blood comment is ridiculous and makes absolutely no sense from a business perspective, if at all.

Thank you.

[War Machine]

Square-Enix is a very stubborn developer, you can see that even with games as famous as Final Fantasy X, X-2 and Kingdom Hearts, they refuse to release the special editions overseas even though there's a large market for them (the special editions are FFX International, FFX-2 International and KH2 Final Mix+). It wouldn't surprise me if they kept their games for the PS3 either.

[psi29a]

There is no way for a FFXIII game to not be released on the 360 which, unless I'm mistaken, still has the biggest marketshare out of all three consoles by a few million consoles.

Let us do the numbers then...

Xbox360:

Quarter Units Shipped
Q4 2005 1.5 million units[83]
Q1 2006 1.7 million units[84]
Q2 2006 1.8 million units[85]
Q3 2006 0.9 million units[2]
Q4 2006 4.4 million units[1]
Q1 2007 0.5 million units[2]

Cumulative Estimates
Q2 2007 12 million units[86]

1 ^ a b c d Rojas, Peter (2007-01-07). Live from the Bill Gates keynote. Engadget. Retrieved on 2007-01-08.
2 ^ a b c QUARTERLY REPORT ON FORM 10-Q. Microsoft (2006-04-26). Retrieved on 2006-04-26.
83 ^ Gruener, Wolfgang (2006-01-26). Microsoft ships 1.5 million Xbox 360 units in Q4. TGDaily. Retrieved on 2006-09-30.
84 ^ Cantrell, Amanda (2006-04-28). Xbox Marks The Spot. CNN. Retrieved on 2006-09-30.
85 ^ Fourth Quarter & fiscal Year 2006 Results. Microsoft (2006-06-20). Retrieved on 2006-09-30.


PS3:

Number Sold:

North America 1,370,300+ as of February 28, 2007[143]
Japan 870,492+ as of March 25, 2007[144]
Europe 920,000+ as of March 27, 2007[145]
Australia 27,083+ as of April 1, 2007[146]

Total Approx. 3.25 million+

Number Shipped:

Total Approx. 5.5 million+

sources:
# ^ a b Sony Ships 1 Million PS3s in N. America. CBS News (2007-01-07). Retrieved on 2007-04-22.
# ^ a b PS3 Shipments Hit 2 Million Worldwide. Gamasutra (2007-01-07). Retrieved on 2007-04-22.
# ^ Brightman, James (2007-01-11). Updated: Breaking: U.S. Video Game Industry Totals $12.5 Billion in 2006. GameDaily Biz. Retrieved on 2007-01-11.
# ^ 2007 March 19 - March 25 weekly software & hardware rankings (Japanese). Media Create. Retrieved on 2007-02-27.
# ^ PlayStation breaks sales records. BBC (2007-03-28). Retrieved on 2007-01-11.
# ^ IGN PS3 News didn't break record


Wii:

Units Sold:

North America 2,342,880+ as of April 7, 2007[23][24]
Japan 2,167,982 as of April 22, 2007[25]
Europe 2,000,000+ as of April 13, 2007[26]
Australia / New Zealand 80,000 / 6,000 as of March 31, 2007[27]

Total 6.60 million+

sources:
23 ^ Consolidate Financial Statements (PDF). Nintendo (2007-01-25). Retrieved on 2007-04-21.
24 ^ NPD: March US game sales up 15 percent. GameSpot (2007-04-19). Retrieved on 2007-04-19.
25 ^ 2007 April 16 - April 22 weekly software & hardware rankings (Japanese). Media Create. Retrieved on 2007-04-26.
26 ^ Christophe Kagotani (2007-04-13). Enterbrain: Wii Hits 2 mln in Japan. Next-Gen.biz. Retrieved on 2007-04-13.
27 ^ Peter Griffin (2007-04-16). New players hold the controls in gaming. New Zealand Herald. Retrieved on 2007-04-15.


Conclusion:
So far...

1st place: xbox360 (12 million shipped)
2nd place: wii (6.6 million sold)
3rd place: ps3 (5.5 million shipped, 3.25 million sold)

[War Machine]

I did that a while ago for the PS2, Gamecube, Xbox race. It's a bitch getting those numbers. Did you find anything on the first quarter sales of each console? That would probably give a better idea of how each console fairs againts each other commercially.

If you didn't don't strain yourself, it's ok.

[psi29a]

First Q of what year? Xbox360 beat everyone to the punch for a long time, so they are going to rain supreme because they where first to market.

It is obvious the wii will take second because of it is just so damn cheap and has great marketing behind it. Let us not forget the games, they are actually fun to play.

PS3 may have everyone beat in terms of raw power, but lets face, just as in cars, there aren't that many v8 and v12s on the market. They are for those looking for the high end, they will derive much enjoyment from their highly priced treat.

However, the first to market 'good enough' v6 and the 'omg cute' v4 will sell better.

That is pretty much the nicest thing I have to say about the PS3.

[War Machine]

I'm talking about the first quarter of each console's release, to see how each started.

[psi29a]

I'm talking about the first quarter of each console's release, to see how each started.

No data on there, sorry.

Though, I don't understand how that would figure. 1st Q will just let us know how many shipped and how many bought, for the wii it was a 1:1 ratio, slight gap for the xbox360, with the p3 showing a really large gap.

I can only really infer this from the data I have gathered thus far, but also from local anecdotal evidence when I was out for game day launches in Blacksburg.

[War Machine]

The Xbox360 had an advantage over the other two consoles for being released earlier, so if I were to see the initial quarters it would give me a better idea of the demand for each console. If Wii sold a lot more than Xbox360 during the first periods, then it would be very possible for the Wii to beat the 360 eventually.

The PS3 is way down, I know, there's no denying that. As I said before, Sony got themselves into a deep hole.

[Femto]

*snipped from sales numbers*

Or you could just go to http://nexgenwars.com/ which isn't official by any means but is good enough if you want a ballpark in sales.

I usually give or take a couple millions consoles from those numbers just for the sake of argument.

Square-Enix is a very stubborn developer, you can see that even with games as famous as Final Fantasy X, X-2 and Kingdom Hearts, they refuse to release the special editions overseas even though there's a large market for them (the special editions are FFX International, FFX-2 International and KH2 Final Mix+). It wouldn't surprise me if they kept their games for the PS3 either.

Can't we think with our heads here for a bit?

FFXIII is a huge name for Square-Enix in terms of both budget and potential sales.

Why would anyone think that they'll release it exclusively to the console which currently has the smallest marketshare?

I mean, this isn't the "I won the last race by a landslide" PS2 we're talking about here.

Releasing such a big game exclusively on the PS3 makes absolutely no sense from a business perspective. At worst they'll make two different FFXIII games (one for each console) using the same resources to reduce cost.

This is the same reason why I'm positive MGS4 will get a 360 port, probably a few months after it's released on the PS3.

Speculation FTW.

[War Machine]

They might not release it for other consoles because their stubborn, that's all I'm trying to say. It's true the PS3 has de smallest market share, but Square-Enix has been known to do this type of stunt. And their not the only ones either, the makers of Ninja Gaiden Sigma are also sticking with PS3 only game.

[Femto]

And their not the only ones either, the makers of Ninja Gaiden Sigma are also sticking with PS3 only game.

Two versions of Ninja Gaiden were already released on the X-Box.

Two versions.

Not just one.

I'd like to see where Square-Enix has done a "stunt" wherein they lose an opportunity to make extra money.

Making video games is a business, make no mistake about that.

Stubborness is irrevelant to the chance of doubling or even tripling profits.

Am I not getting through to you here?

Probably not.

[raoh]

this is boderline OT, but did anyone actually like FFXII? i found it was just a cross-country of fields/dungeons to unlock the next installment in the dull storyline. i hope they saved the goodies for 13 and i cant trust any review site to be honest in a review instead of usual FF auto high-score.

to help add some relevance, the above contributes to why i dont feel an urge to buy a PS3 for a good while

Stubborness is irrevelant to the chance of doubling or even tripling profits.

wasnt it square(if not it was some other big publisher) who refused to release any games on the N64 due to an argument with the nintendo head?

[Eldo]

wasnt it square(if not it was some other big publisher) who refused to release any games on the N64 due to an argument with the nintendo head?

Actually, I think that cartridges costs a bundle to produce and is rather unreliable, while they can maximise their profits with CDs. I'm sure that's one of the reasons, but not the sum of it.

[raoh]

wasnt it square(if not it was some other big publisher) who refused to release any games on the N64 due to an argument with the nintendo head?

Actually, I think that cartridges costs a bundle to produce and is rather unreliable, while they can maximise their profits with CDs. I'm sure that's one of the reasons, but not the sum of it.

from what ive found (many different versions), the cartridges being too small to fit the FMV's for ff7 (although i dont think the game itself would fit) was what kicked things off, and because of it, they produced nothing at all for the n64 despite being like nintendo only pre-n64.

[Eldo]

I don't think it was stubbornness entirely, it is a fact that cartridges costs more to produce than CDs. In addition, the PS was really the no.1 console at the time. That's just my theory. But however, Square did release games on the GBA (the top hand held at the time), which showed that it wasn't really the grudges that separated them.

[Ayanami]

Every thing SquareEnix has done in the past has been to make more money. They patched up relations with Nintendo so they could hit the Game Boy Advanced for lots of loot, see also Swan just kinda tanking.

Loyalties between companies never last long, especially when there is no money to be made.

I wonder what Sony fan boys will say when both FFXIII and MGS4 are ported to 360. I mean, people thought it was unthinkable for VF5 to be on any thing except PS3.

[War Machine]

And their not the only ones either, the makers of Ninja Gaiden Sigma are also sticking with PS3 only game.

Two versions of Ninja Gaiden were already released on the X-Box.

Two versions.

Not just one.

I'd like to see where Square-Enix has done a "stunt" wherein they lose an opportunity to make extra money.

Making video games is a business, make no mistake about that.

Stubborness is irrevelant to the chance of doubling or even tripling profits.

Am I not getting through to you here?

Probably not.

I already mentioned Final Fantasy X: International, FFX-2: International and Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+. Famous games that will never be released in the US even though there is a huge market for them. Square-Enix has done things like this before, so it's not impossible for them to do the same now even if it it's bad for business. Reasons for this could the that the costs for making the game are not worth increasing for a port (this is only speculation on my part) or they're sticking to a contract with Sony, I don't know, but market share might not be the only factor.

As for Ninja Gaiden Sigma (from now on NGS), the two games released for the Xbox are irrelevant to this argument since they're from last generation consoles. The new game NGS is only planned to be released for the PS3, and one of the creators even mentioned in an interview with PSM that they don't care that the PS3 has the smallest market share, they're sticking to it anyway. Something they did for the Xbox when it wasn't selling.

[Femto]

I already mentioned Final Fantasy X: International, FFX-2: International and Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+. Famous games that will never be released in the US even though there is a huge market for them. Square-Enix has done things like this before, so it's not impossible for them to do the same now even if it it's bad for business. Reasons for this could the that the costs for making the game are not worth increasing for a port (this is only speculation on my part) or they're sticking to a contract with Sony, I don't know, but market share might not be the only factor.

As for Ninja Gaiden Sigma (from now on NGS), the two games released for the Xbox are irrelevant to this argument since they're from last generation consoles. The new game NGS is only planned to be released for the PS3, and one of the creators even mentioned in an interview with PSM that they don't care that the PS3 has the smallest market share, they're sticking to it anyway. Something they did for the Xbox when it wasn't selling.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a port.

Nothing more, nothing less.

It has gotten a visual boost, a new character, and a couple of new weapons and levels but it is the exact same game that you can play on your X-Box (and 360 via backwards compatibility).

Is that too hard for you to grasp?

I think it's hilarious that you're trying to pass this game as some sort of proof that 3rd party exclusives for the PS3 are possible when myself, along with a few hundred thousand other players, have already played the game to death.

Want to know something else?

The guy behind Ninja Gaiden and Ninja Gaiden Black, Tomonobu Itagaki, has absolutely nothing to do with Sigma. It's being handled by another team while Itagaki himself presumably works on a real sequel to the game.

And wake up please, there is no market for Japanese re-releases of RPGs here, certainly not a "huge" one as you've mentioned.

How many copies of Final Mix do you think were sold in Japan?

Do you even have any idea?

Either way, I fail to see what releasing a different version of the same game in the same console has anything to do with porting titles to another console.

War Machine = Absolutely clueless

[War Machine]

No market share for re-releases? Look at this then:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2718

56.68% of 76404 people would buy KH2:FM+ here in the US alone, and that's only taking into account the people that participated in that poll which is a big sample. Only 13.4% wouldn't buy that game because they are satisfied with the current version and the last 33.92% wouldn't have bought it anyway (since not everyone likes that game).

Let's make the numbers a little bit more realistic, there are currently 301,743,842 people living in the US, if only 1/4 of them like playing games, and only 56.68% of that quarter planned to buy KH2:FM+, that's a potential market of 42,757,103 people (games are a hit when they sell more than 1 million copies in one region). Also, I'm not taking into account the rest of the countries in America which could also buy the game. Please don't tell me that's not a big market.

As for Ninja Gaiden Sigma, it's a remake, not a port. They're gonna use a lot of the things they had before true, but it's not going to be exactly the same, and that version is not going to be released on the 360. Think of NGS as Resident Evil for the gamecube, it's the same story from the first RE for the playstation, but it's not the same game. And yes, the RE for gamecube was considered an exclusive.

Either way, I fail to see what releasing a different version of the same game in the same console has anything to do with porting titles to another console.

I am showing you what Square-Enix has done in the past, which might show what they'll do in the future with the new games.

War Machine = Absolutely clueless

And finally, stop the name calling, it gets you nowhere.

[Femto]

Let's make the numbers a little bit more realistic, there are currently 301,743,842 people living in the US, if only 1/4 of them like playing games, and only 56.68% of that quarter planned to buy KH2:FM+, that's a potential market of 42,757,103 people (games are a hit when they sell more than 1 million copies in one region). Also, I'm not taking into account the rest of the countries in America which could also buy the game. Please don't tell me that's not a big market.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm not even going to try to explain the sheer ignorance behind this post.

Please go back to GameFAQs.

I'm done.