Honourable Apostles

Post by **Sandman** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:38 pm

Honourable Apostles??? I didnt think there was such a thing, anything that an Apostle did that was "nice" was due to there last shred of humanity... like Slug baron not sacrificing his daughter and the Fairy Rousinu(?SP?) Not killing Jill.

Post by **Muddtoad** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:04 am

I don't think Apostles are fully capable of becoming "honorable." At least not very easily. As you said Istvan, becoming an apostle is a selfish, evil act. I think they can more along the lines "act honorably" and display certain honorable qualities through certain actions. Such as the slug baron which everyone keeps mentioning. He only acted honorably the one time. They are not fully honorable in nature, but they are still capable and showing it.

Post by **Istvan** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:01 pm

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that I think the only reason that some Apostles ocasionally act almost "honorable" is from habit, little remnents of their past lives.

Post by **raoh** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:44 pm

honour and sacrifice are very often associated; i wouldnt say they were selfish acts, more like they make wishes that their despair pushes them to - the time they use the behelit, which then gives them an evil reflection of their wish.
all of the apostles are so unique, the behelit guy in particular no real wish, besides hiding in his refuge, until the god hand showed him the world then he decided to sacrifice it to become the egg of a "better" one, and thats hardly selfish.

(also see my point about honour being subjective, if someone lives their life with their own personal sense of honour then IMO thats being honourable, but not necessarily good)

Post by **Istvan** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:28 pm

honour and sacrifice are very often associated; i wouldnt say they were selfish acts, more like they make wishes that their despair pushes them to - the time they use the behelit, which then gives them an evil reflection of their wish.

Honour and self-sacrifice are often associated, but I've never heard of anyone claiming that sacrificing someone else, against their will, and condemning their soul to hell, is honourable. Doing something like that to obtain your own, personal, wish is almost the definition of selfish.

all of the apostles are so unique, the behelit guy in particular no real wish, besides hiding in his refuge, until the god hand showed him the world then he decided to sacrifice it to become the egg of a "better" one, and thats hardly selfish.

The Behelit guy wanted to remake the entire world because he, personally didn't like it, and he gave no consideration to what anyone else thought of the idea. Admitedly, he had reasons, the world had abandoned him and treated him harshly, but I don't see how you can claim his act wasn't selfish.