Movies of 2007

Post by **Malvado** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:59 pm

Starnum wrote: The Curse of the Golden Flower, for sure.

I want to see those boobies in Curse of the Golden Flower. Other then that, I'm in no rush.

Post by **Brainpiercing** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:40 pm

Has anyone seen Clint Eastwood's Iwo Jima-battle movies? Are they worth looking out for?

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:04 pm

The first one about the american soldiers that raised that flag in the famous pic is getting destroyed be every reviewer.

Not in a rush to see that one, i am kind of interested in japanese one.

Post by **psi29a** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:34 pm

Libaax wrote:The first one about the american soldiers that raised that flag in the famous pic is getting destroyed be every reviewer.

Not in a rush to see that one, i am kind of interested in japanese one.

They where three Marines and one Corpsmen, not soldiers. There is a distinction in the armed forces between a Soldier and a Marine.

Not all personnel who fill the role of infantry are technically soldiers. These include members of the British RAF Regiment (who are technically airmen, not soldiers), and members of the United States Marine Corps, British Royal Marines, and other marine forces (many of whom bristle at being called soldiers, although they are often so described). Several navies maintain forces of naval infantry, who are sailors, not soldiers and whom may often referred to as Marines

I make this distinction because my family is made of 3 generations of Marines, of which my grand-parent fought in the Pacific Theater, of which Iwo Jima was one of the island he fought on.

While the movie is considered historical (bit more fiction than I like) but the events did happen and I saw it with my family out of respect for my grand-father.

Obviously the movie isn't for everyone. ^_^

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:11 pm

I could careless if they were marine or not and i say that without disrespect.

I dont care about the movie cause i have seen 100's of movies like it and i haven't seen one WW2 movie about japanese soldiers.

I will prolly watch it when comes on tv or something.

Post by **psi29a** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:30 pm

Libaax wrote:I could careless if they were marine or not and i say that without disrespect.

I dont care about the movie cause i have seen 100's of movies like it and i haven't seen one WW2 movie about japanese soldiers.

I will prolly watch it when comes on tv or something.

I know, no worries. I was pointing out that usage of the word was incorrect.

This is especially the case when I live right next door to the monument of what happened on Mt. Suribachi literally 5 minutes away from where I spent the first 22 years of my life near Quantico, Virginia.

As for WW2 movies or movies taking place in that time line from the Japanese point of view, I'm surprise you do not list Grave of the Fireflies. While it is anime, it deals with firebombing of Japan and various other issues.

Also, there was Yamato, which... you guessed it was about the participants and history of the battleship Yamato during WW2.

Post by **Albator** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:51 pm

He, Grave of the Fireflies was so depressing I have yet to finish it. It's on top of the TV, waiting to be finished but I just can't. I know what the outcome is, and it's making me sad before I see it. That's how good the characters where developed in it.

It's not so much about Japanese soldiers though, more about the toll and pressure of the war on the general population. I think I stoped halfway or so, and I don't remember seing anything deeply related to the Japanese army.

Post by **Wandering_Mystic** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:22 pm

I thought Flags of our Fathers would be another war movie too, like the 1000s of them that are out there already, but I was very wrong. The movie was amazing, so I don't see what those reviewer's problems are Libaax. And this is coming from a guy who usually dislikes war movies to begin with. Clint Eastwood is a genius in storytelling, and I felt like he didn't overglorify any side or inject false patriotism anywhere. The movie was really about human beings, and how artificial the constructs of war are to the people who don't fight (i.e. pretty much most people).

Hell, I was actually bawling in a lot of parts because of how powerful the emotional part of the movie was.

So personally, it makes me look forward to seeing the second part of the tale about the Japanese side of things even more.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:30 pm

Reviewer over here is dissing the flags of our fathers if i got the name correct.

I dig Clint movies but the first one just doesnt interest me,one of the reasons is cause i have seen so many bad so called realistic military movies.

Albator: Yeah i know its not about japanese soldiers and thats its about the japanese side of the war. Just figured it would show some soldiers of the japanese army.

Post by **Buzkashi** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:50 am

Psi: Oh come on man. We cant be so nit picky. I mean almost every country in the middle east is pronounced wrong by the west. Hell even Islam and Muslim are pronounced as Izlam and Muzlim in the west.

Post by **psi29a** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:34 am

Buzkashi wrote:Psi: Oh come on man. We cant be so nit picky. I mean almost every country in the middle east is pronounced wrong by the west. Hell even Islam and Muslim are pronounced as Izlam and Muzlim in the west.

I've never seen it spelled like that. Not once, till just now, by you. Besides, learning is important. Though to be devil advocate here, Islam and Izlam could be an accent issue on part of the spoken word. However, I would correct them still. Comes from being a part time teacher.

For example, would you take serious anyone who spells Islam in that manner? No, and you call them on it. If they persist, then you have every right to keep correcting them until they go away or do so correctly.

Obviously, sometimes it is just a slip. For example: Quran, Koran, and Al-Quran which are 3 transliteration of al-qur’ān al-karīm and well... one is just as the good as the other within reason.

However, it would be wrong of you to say that because a person is Christian because they believe in the Quran and not the Bible. Christ was in the Quran, hence one could be Christian (tenuous, i know... bear with me). But I would argue that Muslims don't wish to be called Christians.

Same with Marines, even though Soldier fits them in the broadest since of the term. There are Sailors, Airmen, Soldiers, and Marines. This applies to most nations.

However, to those that don't study WW2 carefully, at least from the perspective the distinction between the armed forces of the US are blurry or really to most people "who gives a shit".

For example: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/dickg/soldier.html

I didn't mean to get anyone bent out of shape, and typically when it comes to history I get riled up. However, for the sake of the picture... it was pretty important to the morale of the USA at the time.

Post by **Buzkashi** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:34 am

I understand where you're coming from. I just feel like you're being a bit critical.

I mean one of my best friends is going to the marines straight after high school and if he ever felt disrespected that I called him a soldier as appose to a Marine then I wouldnt do so. But I mean it just seemed to me like you kinda went off on good ol' libaax there. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or anything just helping a brotha out.

Post by **Malvado** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:07 am

Libaxx isn't a US citizen so your threats hold no weight.

Post by **Femto** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:33 am

Flags of our Fathers is not your typical "Saving Private Ryan" war movie.

It's a harsh and thoughtful critique on the nature of war, what the young people who fight it go through and how, as some might say, nobody really wins.

It was really good on those terms, but it's not really my mind of movie.

Nobody's dissed it over here.

Most people think it's great.

EDIT: I just read Wandering_Mystic's post.

He pretty much fucking nailed what I was struggling to say.

Post by **psi29a** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:44 pm

Buzkashi wrote:I understand where you're coming from. I just feel like you're being a bit critical.

I mean one of my best friends is going to the marines straight after high school and if he ever felt disrespected that I called him a soldier as appose to a Marine then I wouldnt do so. But I mean it just seemed to me like you kinda went off on good ol' libaax there. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or anything just helping a brotha out.

The over all tone wasn't threatening nor critical, notice the use of the smile faces to denote lightness of topic.

Just saying that it is a title deserved, and that you don't call your professor "teacher" even though they do teach. They earned their PhD. Using titles shows respect. The Japanese have Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, and SNFL (Special Naval Landing Forces) which were the equivalent of Marines during WW2.

Obviously, some people have no idea what the that infamous photo was about and who was in it. The intent was not to pick a fight, but to educate and learn something new.

Malvado wrote:Libaxx isn't a US citizen so your threats hold no weight.

Huh? Though I see no threats in the thread. He is from Sweden, that has been covered before.

Post by **Albator** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:51 pm

He, I don't see what the big deal is, Psi was merely making a remark, nothing else. And Libaax didn't make a fuss about it.

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:53 pm

I'll have to side with psi with this one. psi is not flaming Libaax, merely correcting him. Many marines can tell you that they aren't soldiers.

We don't call the King as 'president', and vice versa. It's very simple, actually. They're two different things. It's the usage of the word that was wrong here. No big deal, really, corrections has been made.

Anyway, I just watched Superman Returns tonight. I thought it was crap. Special effects were good, but the story's retarded.

Bryan Singer should have stayed with X-Men 3.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:07 pm

I actually learned something its not often you do in a forum.

That is the marines not being soldiers. I knew about Navy forces being sailors though, learned that from tv shows like JAG

About movies i saw Crank, it kicked ass but i wanted martial arts action like the Transporter movies. Not having that kind of action is a waste of Jason Statham talents.

Post by **Malvado** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:18 pm

Libaax wrote: About movies i saw Crank, it kicked ass but i wanted martial arts action like the Transporter movies. Not having that kind of action is a waste of Jason Statham talents.

But it had naked asians in the first 10mins how could it be anything other then perfect?

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:20 pm

Perfect yeah....for perverts like you

Post by **Femto** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:21 pm

Eldo wrote:Special effects were good, but the story's retarded.

Actually, the special effects are retarded too.

Worst super hero movie since the Hulk.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:28 pm

SPOILERS

The story was soo retarted, i mean a small bit of kryptonite "kills" him when Lex stabs him but in the end he carries a hole island of kryptonite....

SPOILERS END

Hulk was pretty good Superman is alot worse almost and i mean almost as bad DD,Elektra....

Post by **Starlore** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:37 pm

Brainpiercing wrote:Heh, there are already seven movies about LWAC, and they only come to about the end of book 2 or so....

But yeah, hollywood should never even think about it.

Agreed.

However, Aronofsky is not "Hollywood". He, unlike so many other directors, knows the true value of a movie isn't in box office numbers. Anyone who has seen Pi or The Fountain (& knows of the struggles he went thru in just bringing the story to fruition) knows this as fact. If someone such as Rob Marshall, who grotesquely raped a story so impassioned as Memoirs of a Geisha--had been rumored to do it, I'd have eaten glass, puked & sent it to him in a letter.

Starnum: The Promise was a gorgeous movie. Not a bad tale, but something about it left me...wanting. It let me down on a couple of insignificant levels, but it's worth seeing if for nothing more than Nicholas Tse (mrrooooow!), Hiroyuki Sanada (Mr. "Tasogare Seibei/Twilight Samurai"--awesome actor) & the cinematography. Give it a shot. It'll at least entertain you, but it helps if you don't mind a shitload of sentimental bullshit lol.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:58 pm

Aronofsky is hollywood since they would want him to make him a movie of thier choosing. Its not like he is big enough to make a movie exactly as he wants

Plus he hasnt shown he can do a movie like LWAC.

Maybe its if it was an indie and he had full of control and he was good enough it would work, but thats very unlikely and too many IFS.

Has there been ever a good remake? Ring? disney movie compared the uber creepy jap version. Even Departed look stupid compared to Infernal Affairs despite the cast.

I just dont trust hollywood enough to let ruin one of my mangas. I hope they never do it.

About Aronofsky, i am reading Fountain the comic, started before the movie came out. Its pretty good. The movie i will never watch cause of Jackman.

Post by **Starlore** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:47 pm

Bah, call it what you want. Initially The Fountain was intended to be a "Hollywood" film. In the end, he made it Indie to retain control as well as get the story out there--which was his main focus, hence even having considered 'Hollywood' in the first place.

In it's Indie state, Jackman being cast is the only semblance of Hollywood it had. Even then, he never expected it to get good reviews nor did he care. That is not the attitude of a 'Hollywood' director...They make films strictly for the leg humping of critics.

As for Jackman, he actually wasn't quite "himself" for the role which was interesting...I had to keep reminding myself it was him, since he didn't look his usual, make-up slathered part. As far as I'm concerned, it was his best performance to date. Quite a bit more 'raw' than I'm used to seeing from an actor of his popularity. He left me pleasantly surprised by the end of the film & I don't have any doubt that was why he was cast. His performance was solid. Period. It wasn't about him being a big name to boost the bill, or else Aronofsky would've kept to trying to make it a 'Hollywood' endorsed film.

The Graphic Novel was written years ago-when the production of the film (Hollywood version) was dropped. It took 3 years after that point to complete the novel, which managed to find release almost simultaneously with the now, Indie production of the film. For the record, Aronofsky is a big fan of the manga & graphic novel medium, which is why he choose it to carry a story he felt so strongly about. That being the case, is why I was even curious as to that rumor tying him to LWAC, floating around.

The biggest difference a film maker can make, in presentation of material (not their own) being carried to the big screen, is by being passionate about the story itself as well as it's roots. That is the best hope one can have in a story making transition. Otherwise, it becomes Hollywood fodder like everything else w/no substance. I won't argue the point of whether it should be done or not as I really don't give a shit lol. What will be, will be...Just like all the damn comic-movies I thought shouldn't have happened & still think shouldn't have happened despite their success. But that's the reality of it.

As a writer I can appreciate the importance of staying as true to the story as possible. However, unless the writer themself steps up to take the helm (hell even then they still have to make sacrifices), no movie will ever be a direct, 1000% true to form representation. There will -always- be gaps. At the least if it -has- to happen, hope that it's in the hands of someone that appreciates/respects that realization.

The End. lol!