Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:43 pm

Yeah it irks me too that i cant feel the same about what was my fav manga.

Even if it gets sucky which is unlikely, there always is the old vols to read and the memory of them.

Post by **Starnum** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:48 pm

Well, thankfully so far I've been happy with what I've gotten. So Berserk is still my favorite. I just wish it came out more often.

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:19 pm

Yeah for the first time ever i got annoyed by the realeses cause we got used to once every two weeks or atleast once a month but now....

Post by **EnglishJim** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:34 pm

Berserk is still the best and I'll see it through 'till the end no matter what direction it goes in. It was inevitable that it was going to end up this way. I mean, Griffith had become a God and Guts could not combat with him in his current state. Hell, he could hardly approach Femto without collapsing in pain because of the brand. What's the solution? Take away the pain. Not only that, Guts had no way to get to Griffith without some kinda magical assist. So it was pretty obvious it would take this route.

Don't get me wrong, Berserk was at it's best in the Golden Age and the Lost Children arc was so badass. But Guts had to develop as a character and start thinking rationally instead of just going on a killing rampage.

I don't particularly like the merry band either, but they all serve their purpose in the story. I doubt it'll ever go back to way it was way back when; it can't now. So I'm just gonna enjoy it.

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:06 pm

Like he doesnt go and killing rampage now the only diffrence is he is a semi god right almost like an apostle.

I didnt say i didnt like how Guts changed as a character, i love that he has grown alot as person just dont like the armour and the merry band.

To me they dont have any use at all except the witch she can atleast help him in several ways.

Post by **EnglishJim** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:13 pm

Libaax wrote:Like he doesnt go and killing rampage now the only diffrence is he is a semi god right almost like an apostle.

There's a big difference in his state of mind. During those two years after the eclipse he completely lost himself. He abandoned Caska and thought only of destroying all his enemies, hence the killing rampage. Now he thinks differently, he still fights like an animal, but he feels he has a purpose with Caska and he's not out just for the sake of killing.

The merry band do contribute even if it's just a small bit. They wouldn't have been able to set sail for Elfhelm without Farnese's connections don't forget.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:59 pm

right...now he can drop that bunch into the sea

Post by **EnglishJim** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:24 pm

Disposing of his comrades when he has no more use for them...Sound familiar?

It'd make Guts just like Griffith and I know everybody would love that.

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:36 pm

Guts can just steal a ship if he wanted. He is a known mass murderer anyway.

The fact he needed a ship and didnt get one fast is also a minus, they SLOW him down alot.

There is just no point in going to war while he has to protect kids several of them.

Not even Serpico would be able to protect himself against strong apostles like Neo Hawks.

Hopefully after he makes sure Casca is around he dumps them.

Except the witch and Puck cause he actually need them and they can take care of themselves.

One thing i dont get is why doesnt Puck heal him anymore? It would save Guts alots of time

The problem is it takes the story longer than it has to get where they are going, it will prolly take 100 chaps before they reach elfhiem or even finish this arcs....

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:47 pm

well the point is that he isnt trying to go to war

. but don't worry libaax, if everything goes as i predicted long ago he'll pull a griffith and be rid of them. or some sort of mass carnage.

Post by **Gundam_Bobcat** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:48 pm

Libaax wrote:One thing i dont get is why doesnt Puck heal him anymore? It would save Guts alots of time

The reason the Puck hasn't been healing Guts is because a lot of his recent wounds have been more than physical. Also Puck doesn't have limitless power.

With this break, I don't its going to take to long to get to Elfhiem. Unless theres going to be a side story with Griffith.

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:53 pm

MrFelony wrote:well the point is that he isnt trying to go to war . but don't worry libaax, if everything goes as i predicted long ago he'll pull a griffith and be rid of them. or some sort of mass carnage.

I meant eventually, he has to face Griffith and his band. He wont sit still and let them screw over the world.

His war will prolly start after he makes sure Casca is alright.

If he still hangs around with the merry band while going after apostles and a god hand, i just cant see that hopefully Miura doesnt either.

Post by **Kshatriya** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:24 pm

I meant eventually, he has to face Griffith and his band.

Maybe off topic, but do you think Gutts has the power to kill Griffith, or any God Hand? He didn't fare so well against Femto after the Count's death (volume 3). And how much of the God Hand power has Griffith retained since his earthly reincarnation? It would seem like a lot, but so far Zodd (or other apostles) have been doing Griffith's fighting for him.

Maybe these questions are in the wrong place, but it is a designated newbie thread, after all....

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:32 pm

Its a perfect thread for this.

I didnt mean he would be able to kill him now.

He could take most apostles now prolly even Zodd thanks to his sword who is semi magical after all the apostle slayings ,armour and he is much stronger now.

By war i dont mean going after Griffith directly, but to start building for a war maybe recruiting warriors of his class and objects that can help to kill a god hand. They must have a weakness. SK must know something.

Anyway he will never get stronger than he is now, he needs un earthly stuff to close the gap to god hands, he will never do that if he dont try.

Also isnt Griffith weaker now in his human form? I dont actually know that maybe thats why he needs an army.

Post by **EnglishJim** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:38 pm

I'm willing to bet that if Guts and Skull Knight team up, they could take all the Neo Hawks (save the higher tier ones) between them. That would be awesome to see.

And if you're still interested Libaax, Puck has to heal Guts, Evarella's got him whipped...

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:42 pm

Ah thanks for the pic, when was that this leave the city arc?

SK and Guts would destroy Neo Hawks even the strongest ones. One on one they would be owned.

Thats the problem with Berserk right now future storywise.

What will Guts do against Griffith, he cant go through an army of high apostles on his own.

Thats why i wish this elfhiem stuff was over already so the future arc can get going. Guts has nowhere left but to go forward meaning he will need something to help him.

I don think an army of elfs will be much help

Post by **EnglishJim** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:48 pm

Haha, an army of elves would be Scooby snacks to an apostle.

And yeah the pic is from 278 just as they're leaving the city. Also, take a look at the bottom of the actual page at Farnese. What the hell is going on with her lips?!

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:51 pm

Man was 278 that long ago i have forgotten that part

I dont have the chap but i will download later to see what you mean.

What do you guys think will happen in the next arc for Guts?

Reminded me, i am on the night of his legendary 100 men killing spree in the rereading, one of my favs of the manga.

Post by **Kshatriya** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:53 pm

And if you're still interested Libaax, Puck has to heal Guts, Evarella's got him whipped...

That's like the first time in a million jillion chapters that Puck has done anything.

My personal opinion is that Gutts can't take down Griffith/Femto, or any God Hand right now - nevermind an army of high Apostles - so long as Griffith has maintained his previous God Hand strengths (that point is debatable). Interestingly, I don't think Gutts has expressed any particular aggression towards the other God Hands (except maybe Slan, in some of those sexual scenes). I think Gutts has only ever attempted to physically attack Femto - please post a graphic if I'm wrong.

It would be interesting as well if Griffith's eventual downfall stemmed from his own greed, or maybe his ongoing love for Caska (which has been demonstrated at least once since his "earthly reincarnation"). However, in terms of action, that would be pretty anti-climactic. At least, I'd be pissed!

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:59 pm

When has Griffith shown he still loves Casca? Not that he ever did, i dont think rape is love

Of course he cant kill Griffith anytime soon but he needs to start something to get closer.

Interesting though if one of the other God Hands would help Guts, maybe they are tired of Griffiths narrow view cause even as a God he wants to own a kingdom and be shining hero.

Heck Slann might help Guts cause of her sick affection for him.

Post by **EnglishJim** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:03 am

Griffith has no love for Caska, he has no emotion at all. Anything he feels is that of the vessel he took (Guts'/Caska's child).

Kshatriya wrote:Interestingly, I don't think Gutts has expressed any particular aggression towards the other God Hands - please post a graphic if I'm wrong.

Reincarnation Ceremony. Right to left...

You know, the Berserk armor is great and all, but I kinda miss seeing Guts' facial expressions during battle (when he goes berserk like in the pic above).

Post by **Istvan** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:03 am

Despite your dislike of them Libaax, I actually suspect that Serpico and Isidoro will end up being part of the help you think he needs. I'll grant you that right now they're too weak, but both of them are getting steadily stronger. And Serpico especially wouldn't have to grow that much to be able to at least fight weaker level Apostles. It also appears (based on 278) that the bridge knight guy (I forget his name) may be joining as well, and who knows maybe the Kushan assassin/prince will join in the end (I admit that's pure speculation). You talk about finding warriors in his own class, but other then Guts and Griffith, Serpico is probably the best fighter we've met so far. When it comes to human warriors strong enough to fight Apostles, there just aren't that many. Remember, Guts couldn't fight them either, at first. But he trained to get stronger till he could. Serpico is probably at that point, not quite strong enough yet, but getting there.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:51 am

I really hope Berserk doesnt turn out to be a very sweet tale of romanticing rpg where Guts waits for Serpico and Ishidoro to get strong.

I relly hope that doesnt happen.

That would belittle everything he has done in 20+ years to become as strong as he is and as skillful as he is.

Anyway i think and hope he will need people like SK or like himself not avereage humans like the ones you talk about.

The Kushan prince is prolly alot more skillful and stronger than Serpico. The little we saw of him points to that.

He would be a good team member a true warrior.

Holy Serpico can train for 100 years he wouldnt get where Guts is skillwise and strenght wise.

Unless he goes back in time and does start training as hard as Guts did for since he barely could walk.

I rather see serpico fight with his element than suddenly become Guts strong.

I am sure of one thing, not even Miura would belittle his hero by making avreage joes as strong as him without any effort.

Post by **Gundam_Bobcat** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:22 am

Serpico is no longer an average joe anymore, with the wind element he has gained a lot of strength. Also he and Guts have completely different fighting styles. Serpico knows that he will never be able to match the physical strength of Guts, but Serpico has the mental edge on Guts.

With the last fight that Serpico and Guts had we were shown that Serpico can hold his own, but he underestimated Guts. However with the wind elements Serpico would stand a much better chance against Guts, though he would most likely loose.

And for the Kushan prince, Guts completely kicked his ass before the eclipse. In the time between then and now, I don't think he really has grown that much.

I do agree with the fact that Miura is going to take away from the importance of Guts, he is a special person, he survived the eclipse and plus he is the main character.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:56 am

Mental edge? How? against a guy that fights to death on daily basis.

Serpico doesnt even know what that is like. He is just like others protected by Guts cause he takes on the big guns and lets serpico take small fish like monsters.

To me everyone is avreage joe since compared to Guts who is the only one who has amazing skills and strenght.

The only time Serpico would ever have a chance is if he became an apostle.

If you fight Zodd equally humans are nothing to you

Guts isnt special cause he is the main or cause he survived the eclipse,he was special way before. He was bred to fight, the only good thing Gambino did for him was to go hard on him in every training. Its not wierd Guts likes pain,he got used to it early

People expect too much from Serpico.

To compare him to Guts, i hate when people belittle everything Guts has done to become as good and as strong he is by saying "nah Serpico could take Guts" He has potential, what? This isnt Naruto where after a week you are a master fighter.....