Honourable Apostles

Post by **Buzkashi** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:50 pm

Yea but do you really thing that innocent towns people will Really Accept the monsters *remebers the incident with mozgus*

maybe u gotta point.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:06 am

Buzkashi wrote:Yea but do you really thing that innocent towns people will Really Accept the monsters *remebers the incident with mozgus*

maybe u gotta point.

The monsters can either return to their homes or Griffith can charm the people into believing they'll on his side. Most people just want griffith and don't really care about anything else. If Griffith does become king, it'll probably be like what happened in 'Overfiend', where the world drifts to utter destruction and chaos (remember, if griffith is indeed the dark hawk...)

Post by **Dio** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:31 am

Eldo wrote:
Buzkashi wrote:Yea but do you really thing that innocent towns people will Really Accept the monsters *remebers the incident with mozgus*

maybe u gotta point.
The monsters can either return to their homes or Griffith can charm the people into believing they'll on his side. Most people just want griffith and don't really care about anything else. If Griffith does become king, it'll probably be like what happened in 'Overfiend', where the world drifts to utter destruction and chaos (remember, if griffith is indeed the dark hawk...)

There has been quite a few Overfiend references

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:51 am

Dio wrote: There has been quite a few Overfiend references

Not the sex ones, Dio.

TENTACLES?!

Post by **Dio** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:53 am

Eldo wrote:
Dio wrote: There has been quite a few Overfiend references
Not the sex ones, Dio. TENTACLES?!

Even that was referenced around here somewhere

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:11 am

Well, there's really no reason to worry about all that anyway, because Gatts is going to fuck Griffith, and the rest of his minion's shit up.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:19 am

Starnum wrote:Well, there's really no reason to worry about all that anyway, because Gatts is going to fuck Griffith, and the rest of his minion's shit up.

I guess. But would that be after he becomes king or before

? *sigh* who cares, the point is Griffith is gonna get fucked over.

Post by **SirPhobos** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:23 am

I don't know just how much more powerful Gatz is going to become, but one thing is for certain, I'll agree:

the story is probably going to end after Gatz gives Griffith and his apostle followers a Texas-style ass-whoopin' -- if he does succeed, there's the other 4 Godhand to worry about -- though if he can defeat Griffith, he should be able to take them out.

As for what will happen to everyone else -- just another big question mark there.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:25 am

SirPhobos wrote:I don't know just how much more powerful Gatz is going to become, but one thing is for certain, I'll agree:

the story is probably going to end after Gatz gives Griffith and his apostle followers a Texas-style ass-whoopin' -- if he does succeed, there's the other 4 Godhand to worry about -- though if he can defeat Griffith, he should be able to take them out.

As for what will happen to everyone else -- just another big question mark there.

I somehow sense it might just be another 'Matrix' type ending - where Griffith is defeated, but the rest remains intact....much like some people are freed from the matrix at their own desire but the matrix is not destroyed.

Post by **SirPhobos** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:31 am

Eldo wrote:
SirPhobos wrote:I don't know just how much more powerful Gatz is going to become, but one thing is for certain, I'll agree:

the story is probably going to end after Gatz gives Griffith and his apostle followers a Texas-style ass-whoopin' -- if he does succeed, there's the other 4 Godhand to worry about -- though if he can defeat Griffith, he should be able to take them out.

As for what will happen to everyone else -- just another big question mark there.
I somehow sense it might just be another 'Matrix' type ending - where Griffith is defeated, but the rest remains intact....much like some people are freed from the matrix at their own desire but the matrix is not destroyed.

I have a feeling you're not far off from the truth; however it ends up, it'll be something that will make people think deeply about fate, the world, etc. -- would make for some excellent discussions.

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:32 am

I don't know about that. I see absolution around the bend. Maybe I'm just being too optimistic though.

Me, optimistic... What the hell is going on here?

Post by **dos.azn** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:21 am

Eldo wrote:
I somehow sense it might just be another 'Matrix' type ending - where Griffith is defeated, but the rest remains intact....much like some people are freed from the matrix at their own desire but the matrix is not destroyed.

matrix type ending? a matrix type ending would be gutts fighting 1000000 griffith clones in a place where gravity don't exist and they'll be fighting on the ground, in the water, and in the air. yeah, les not have that...

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:28 am

dos.azn wrote:
Eldo wrote:
I somehow sense it might just be another 'Matrix' type ending - where Griffith is defeated, but the rest remains intact....much like some people are freed from the matrix at their own desire but the matrix is not destroyed.
matrix type ending? a matrix type ending would be gutts fighting 1000000 griffith clones in a place where gravity don't exist and they'll be fighting on the ground, in the water, and in the air. yeah, les not have that...

LOL no the last 5 minutes where the architect tells the oracle 'those who want to be freed can go.'

'Is that a promise?'

'what do you think I am, a human?

It'll probably end with unanswered questions and bring forth new ones. I dunno, I'll let Muira get back to work.

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:31 am

I would assume that Miura's ending will be very tight ended and leave no further questions. He's a pro, he can't afford anything less than that.

Post by **dos.azn** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:43 am

sometimes open endings are great, cuz it leaves much discussion for what happened

a good example could be the ending to Blame. or if you want an example of an American movie, its Event Horizon (shitty but interesting end)

Post by **Brainpiercing** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:49 am

Bah, event horizon was a really shit example, because only thinking about it makes me think what a horrible movie that was.

Well, I think we can expect a semi-open ending at least in some regards, but not in the main points of Gats vs. Griffith, godhand, etc. I think he'll wrap those up.

Post by **Messatsu** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:18 pm

Well as i stated before, if a man aquires power thru the sacrifice of human life, then anny noblity he aquires would be marred by this evil act.
Also considering that to become an apostle you need to sacrfice some one dear to you, forget loyal or trusting, im talking about some one you love. To become an apostle is to confirm that you are an inferior human being, the proverbial Nietzschian beast.

Post by **Dark_Zilo** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:30 pm

Messatsu wrote:Well as i stated before, if a man aquires power thru the sacrifice of human life, then anny noblity he aquires would be marred by this evil act.
Also considering that to become an apostle you need to sacrfice some one dear to you, forget loyal or trusting, im talking about some one you love. To become an apostle is to confirm that you are an inferior human being, the proverbial Nietzschian beast.

that should wipe out any doubts left here

although i remember that the count (in volume 3) couldn't sacrifice his daughter and i think that can be taken as nobility, it's my opinion the love for his daughter was stronger than his will to live

Post by **Messatsu** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:45 pm

Ay but he still sacrificed his wife, even though she did join a cult, instead of facing his own emotional pain he gave into the idea of being undying and fealing no such torment.

Well his second contact with the godhand he had the idea to sacrifice Gut's life, he didnt expect that he couldnt do that and that his daugther was the only one he could give away. So he obviously refused, since she didnt cause him any dispair.

Post by **loop** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:49 pm

i only like the man with the oculus bow, seems cool to me !

I don't like the others apostles.

Post by **Dark_Zilo** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:55 pm

Messatsu wrote:Ay but he still sacrificed his wife, even though she did join a cult, instead of facing his own emotional pain he gave into the idea of being undying and fealing no such torment.

Well his second contact with the godhand he had the idea to sacrifice Gut's life, he didnt expect that he couldnt do that and that his daugther was the only one he could give away. So he obviously refused, since she didnt cause him any dispair.

but at that time he hated his wife so it wasn't really a sacrifice for him
he was fighting for mostly her sake and she was fucking the goat statue with great pleasure i might add

Post by lm » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:47 am

I think it's gonna be more complicated than having the strongest between Guts and Griffith win.

When god appears to grant Griffiths wish he sais that he is the collective unconsious of all humans and that he forges human destiny according to their subconsious desires. At least that's what I remember.

According to this, god planned destiny in such a way that Griffith would be born to become the fifth godhand.

The question is, does Guts go against destiny by not being sacrificed or does god's planned destiny go deeper by including Guts' actions and his escape from "the feast"? The answer to this will determine the end I think.

Also, considering how Guts was born and the events of his life, I think god destined Guts to oppose Griffith and the godhand from the very begining.

Either way, Guts is the type of character that, from the very first volumes, you know he's gonna end up dying at the end of the story.

Post by **dos.azn** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:01 am

what the hell are you talking about

Post by **Buzkashi** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:04 am

Post by **Messatsu** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:45 am

Dark_Zilo wrote:
Messatsu wrote:Ay but he still sacrificed his wife, even though she did join a cult, instead of facing his own emotional pain he gave into the idea of being undying and fealing no such torment.

Well his second contact with the godhand he had the idea to sacrifice Gut's life, he didnt expect that he couldnt do that and that his daugther was the only one he could give away. So he obviously refused, since she didnt cause him any dispair.
but at that time he hated his wife so it wasn't really a sacrifice for him
he was fighting for mostly her sake and she was fucking the goat statue with great pleasure i might add

Oh no dont missunderstand, im not saying that he was wrong in sacrificing his wife, im just comparing his wife with his daugther.