Superhero comics and other comics.

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:31 pm

I can honestly say that I do not like Bendis' writing at all, besides in Ultimate Spider Man, which, since he started it from scratch, his style works well here. While I thought New Avengers was entertaining, it was also bad writing too, in terms of plot. The only real reason why I read it was probably because of the art. That's probably why he gets a lot of hate mail about it, but I like how he's capable of laughing at himself as well, printing only the hate mail in the issues.

Avengers Disassembled was probably the worst story arc I've read in Avengers history. House of M was a bit better than the Onslaught saga, but not by much. Secret War...not sure what to say about it, I did not enjoy it at all. It was a snoozefest.

Basically, the only Bendis comic that I find thoroughly enjoyable currently is Ultimate Spider Man. However, that doesn't mean that he's a shit writer and all his projects are shit. His work on Alias and Pulse were very entertaining, and he should be credited for breathing live back into Luke Cage. Didn't like his thugish interpretation at all. That guy should just stick with 100 Bullets (although it's getting tiring).

Post by **Femto** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:48 pm

Eldo wrote:That guy should just stick with 100 Bullets (although it's getting tiring).

You know, I bought Batman: Broken City by Azzarello and Risso the other day and, well, it's basically 100 Bullets with Batman (and not very good).

It sucks because so far, the guy has proven incapable of writing something outside of 100 Bullets, as awesome as that is.

His Superman was terrible, or so I hear.

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:01 pm

I read Azzarello's Hellblazer run, and well, it was probably the worst arc in the series that I've read at that point. There are probably worse arcs, but I haven't read them yet.

Yeah, I heard his Superman was pretty poorly written, he tried to make him too much like Batman. I haven't read it so I don't know.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:51 pm

Eldo wrote:I read Azzarello's Hellblazer run, and well, it was probably the worst arc in the series that I've read at that point. There are probably worse arcs, but I haven't read them yet.

Yeah, I heard his Superman was pretty poorly written, he tried to make him too much like Batman. I haven't read it so I don't know.

Heh i read Az Hellblazer run too recently and trust me there are not worst arcs than his and wil never be, that bad was it.

Have you read Mike Carey first arc? I loved it cause 1( JC is back in UK 2(he and everyone else talks like wankers again

3 JC is acting like Constantine again. Not the loser that was in Az run.

I agree with Femto Az run outside the great 100 Bullets suck.

Even his Batman sucked.

Post by **Femto** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:09 pm

I read Flash: Terminal Velocity.

It's pretty awesome, the first time they introduce the concept of a "Speed Force," I believe.

The thing that caught me eye the most though, was how artists in the 90's were desperately trying to copy Jim Lee's work.

Salvador Larroca, who you've probably heard of at some point, has a pretty distinct style nowadays but back then, some of his drawings are by the numbers copies of Jim Lee stuff.

The faces, and body types and expressions, it all just screams "I'm trying to be like Jim Lee!"

It's pretty sad but, at the same time, it's good to see that he got past that and managed to develop his own style.

It was also nice to see how Mike Wieringo and Carlos Pacheco used to draw back then.

Those two, in comparison, hadn't fully developed their style, but it's still relatively easy to tell it's them in some places.

God, the 90's sucked for comics (except for Jim Lee).

Post by **Messatsu** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:58 pm

Currently im reading sandman. Ive just finished reading the "A game of you" story arc. So far this series is as good as the hype says it is, i just cant get enougth! After im done with sandman i was thinking of reading kingdom come but i was wondering if i should, the guy at the comic shop didnt seem to keen on the series.

Post by **Libaax** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:05 pm

Check out Ross art before you get Kingdom come.

If you dont like his style like me buying the comic is a waste of time and money.

His style doesnt work for superhero.

Post by **Eldo** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:23 pm

I do like Ross, and I love his works on the covers and all. Personally, I think the stuff he does is gorgeous. I can be honest and tell you that I'm not quite fond of Kingdom Come's plot, and several portrayals of certain characters (especially Batman), but the art's good stuff. I do like Mark Waid's work, but I feel like it's a bit aged lately.

And the 90's era of comics. The era full of clones, the emergence of evil and dark side of prominent characters, death and revival of popular characters, and universes being destroyed and recreated. Yep, it's basically an era full of shit.

And I hate how Marvel's decision making and editorial department doesn't work. They can't make a single decision straight. I was reading Grant Morrison's arc on X-Men, which is simply the best X-Men I've read in all time, and I thought Xorn being Magneto was beyond awesome. Why did they even allow that to be published if they didn't like the very idea of it? Why make it so fucking retarded, after establishing Xorn and Magneto as the same person, only to have it as two different people and had Xorn impersonating Magneto because he's a fan? Also, I hate how all the titles fall into current 'big' events, such as Civil War, and most particularly, the Onslaught saga. That just forces writers to abandon plot developments and ideas they worked so hard to establish. Fucking Marvel. Make Mine DC.

Post by **Libaax** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:33 pm

Word!

I am so tired of marvel. their sucky events has ruined stories and characters i loved. Spidey,Wolverine was the reason i bothered with Marvel now i cant even make myself look at them.

2007 is Spiderman event, holy let us read a story that belongs in ONE COMIC for ONE month before another event....

. Thier greed after money has made me lose interest in many characters i liked.

DC i like much more now, they dont take the characters i like and force them into events. Bless 52 and its minor characters.

They are smart to have an event that doesnt ruin the ongoings like Marvel does.

Post by **Messatsu** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:31 pm

Wait are you talking about Alex Ross? If thats the case then i got buy kingdom come i just love his art style, gives a photorealistic appearance to everything he does.

Also about marvel: I have to agree that they ain't doing agood job with their heroes recently.

I dont even recognisee iron man...what happened man? since when where you this much of a tyrant, i mean sure you had the drinking problem but that was endearing made you seem more human more down to our level. But this is real a drastic change.

Another marvel character that been given the short end of the stick has got to be deadpool, man when was the last time he was reduced to a total laugthing stock like this and DIDN'T make you atleast gigle... its just pathetic...beaten by squirrel girl? Its suppose to be funny but it... its just ain't. Man whens he gona get his own book back?

Spider-man is no better, peter acted really naive and stupid. Revealing his secret identity to the world...man how dumb is that. [sarcasm] I am sure none of the villains you pissed-off over the year are gona come after you. Of course not [end sarcasm]T_T.

Im pretty sure that when this whole civil war crap ends it will be retconned out of existence by some outside force. Marvel...your...

Post by **Femto** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:21 pm

Libaax wrote:His style doesnt work for superhero.

Sometimes you just don't know what you're talking about.

Ross' work is probably the most idealized image of a superhero ever put on a comic book. He's not my favorite artist by far (his work is not very dynamic) but my hat's off to Alex Ross for doing what he does.

And Kingdom Come is awesome.

The book is the very image of what an ideal superhero is about, which is why Ross' artwork fits the series like a glove.

Hanging unto meaningless "I didn't like what they did to X guy" dribble is pointless. A writer can't please everyone so we, as readers, must step back and look at the bigger picture. Kingdom Come is a story about bravery, courage and what it means to be a superhero, a real superhero.

Easily one of the best comic book storylines I've ever read.

PS: I'm very close to cutting loose on Libaax's blind fanboyism and hipocresy here.

Post by **LordMune** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:04 am

Messatsu wrote:Currently im reading sandman. Ive just finished reading the "A game of you" story arc. So far this series is as good as the hype says it is, i just cant get enougth!

This post is awesome.

I'm going to read Kingdom Come soon.

Post by **ZombieToaster** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:01 am

kingdom come was good but universe x was better

Post by **Libaax** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:22 am

Femto wrote:
Libaax wrote:His style doesnt work for superhero.
Sometimes you just don't know what you're talking about.

Ross' work is probably the most idealized image of a superhero ever put on a comic book. He's not my favorite artist by far (his work is not very dynamic) but my hat's off to Alex Ross for doing what he does.

And Kingdom Come is awesome.

The book is the very image of what an ideal superhero is about, which is why Ross' artwork fits the series like a glove.

Hanging unto meaningless "I didn't like what they did to X guy" dribble is pointless. A writer can't please everyone so we, as readers, must step back and look at the bigger picture. Kingdom Come is a story about bravery, courage and what it means to be a superhero, a real superhero.

Easily one of the best comic book storylines I've ever read.

PS: I'm very close to cutting loose on Libaax's blind fanboyism and hipocresy here.

Of course according to you if i dont like Ross i dont know what i am talking about.....

His art is perfect as covers since he is good with poses. Which is why he is famous his covers.

But interior it doesnt work, Kingdom Come looks like crap to me cause its like they are still pictures that dont move.

That really doesnt work for superheroes, specially in fights in Kingdom come you wonder are they fighting or what?

I never said the story sucks, i actually like the story of kingdom Come its just the art i dont like.

I wonder who is the fanboy here that cant handle other peoples opionen's.

Post by **Eldo** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:15 pm

I just read the latest issue of Flash. I guess it's probably the best issue I've read throughout the whole series, but that's not saying much. It's getting better each issue, but it's still a bit mediocre. I'm hoping to see Bart say something funny, instead of self-loathing all the bloody time.

Also, Ghost Rider. It's pretty shit. Not really worth saying anything else.

WildCats, it's a prologue, and it's pretty damn fine, I really love Jim Lee. I haven't really read much of the previous series to begin with, so I don't have any sort of attachment to these characters.

Authority, not really a great issue...still holding off for issue 2. This is more of a prologue than anything.

It's hard to believe Authority and WildCats are written by Grant Morrison. Both comics have different styles.

Post by **Libaax** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:37 pm

You must read Wildcats vol 2 and 3. They were amazing specially artwise.

Vol 2 the amazing Sean Phillips did one of his best work.

Also its good to see where they have been before this new team.

Vol 3 was fun,Spartan tried to lead by showing what money can do for good and Griefter did the dirty work wetworks for him.

Post by **LordMune** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:38 pm

I just read Kingdom Come.

It was meh.

Post by **Femto** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:55 pm

Kingdom Come is awesome.

I just read Infinite Crisis.

The part with the various Flashes running Superboy Prime into the Speed Force was awesome.

The book itself was alright, just a little to hard to follow.

It should've been 12 issues.

Post by **Messatsu** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:30 pm

Sandman just moved me in ways i never thought a comic could, the wake was so well drawn and well writen everything fell into place and i actually felt sadened for the loss of Morpheus.... i wish i could write more but im so tired i spent all nigth reading it....im so tired...ZZZzzzzz

Post by **Eldo** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:36 am

Femto wrote:Kingdom Come is awesome.

I just read Infinite Crisis.

The part with the various Flashes running Superboy Prime into the Speed Force was awesome.

The book itself was alright, just a little to hard to follow.

It should've been 12 issues.

What I like about Geoff Johns is, the personalities he creates for his characters. Black Adam was more like a common crook than a former hero or ruler, he has this whole aura of arrogance in him now that wasn't seen before. Also, while Impulse turned into Kid Flash, he still retained some of his goofiness and humour, while maturing at the same time. And Superboy Prime...crybaby. These are just some of the examples.

I have to say that his best work I've read is Teen Titans. Each character has their own distinct personalities that makes it captivating. They're all interesting in their own right. I'm more interested in his characters more than the plot. However, what I didn't like about his work is in Green Lantern: Rebirth. I thought the story with Parallax was retarded, and it portrayed Kyle Ragner as a pussy. I'm a big Kyle fan. But anyway, thank god for Ion.

Post by **Femto** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:31 pm

I just read about Superboy Prime's retcon punches.

Hahahahaha.

DC is out of their fucking minds.

They should stop being so sandy about continuity and just concentrate on writing good stories.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:45 pm

Heh now you know how most of us felt after IC !

Actually i forgive DC for superboy prime cause of 52 and One Year Later having good stories.

Post by **Femto** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:59 pm

I kinda liked Superboy Prime though.

The part where he blows Pantha's head off and starts to completely lose control against the Titans is pretty heavy and intense.

That, of course, escalates into the awesome part with Wally, Bart and Jay.

In fact, that whole scene from Superboy Prime fighting Superboy to Barry Allen's return is probably the best part in the whole series.

God, I love Wally West.

Post by **Shaka Zulu** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:00 am

Superboy prime, was that when he went all evil due to Lex controlling him?(Not good with names at all) That was quite cool in a corny way. But I guessing you're talking about another case.

Read alot of Teen Titans, thought it would be average before reading, but I pretty much liked everything and was suprised.

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:44 am

Femto wrote:In fact, that whole scene from Superboy Prime fighting Superboy to Barry Allen's return is probably the best part in the whole series.

I think you mean Bart, when he returned to Earth, in Tokyo. Barry Allen only appeared for about 10 seconds or more followed by Max Mercury and Johnny Quick. If you haven't read that, it might be a spoiler. Wally West is gone...for now, Flash is replaced with Bart, which sounded like a blessing at first, but the writers for the current series are pretty ghey. They're the same guys who were writers for the TV series. Although, admittedly, Flash is getting better after each issue, but that's not really saying anything much if the series was shit to begin with.

Superboy Prime wasn't controlled by Alex, he was manipulated by him. Prime was a dumb kid to begin with, so Alex played around with his emotions.

I liked DC's Infinite Crisis throughout all the titles, but I can't say the same about Marvel's Civil War. Marvel's crossover events make me puke, from Onslaught, House of M and to Civil War.