Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

Post by **inkthinker** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:26 am

I always thought it was obvious that when Guts left Griffith, it was a rare moment in which Griffith was not in control. Griffith was ALWAYS in control, from the first moment he appeared, and in this one act Guts placed himself beyond Griffith's control.

As a result, Griffith made a very great mistake by pushing his agenda with Charlotte ahead too quickly. It was always his plan to seduce the princess and take control, but without Guts he tried to move to fast and it all collapsed.

And perhaps that was the way it was destined to be.

As for SK, of course he's not the king of Elfheim... it was pretty strongly implied... just short of outright stated, actually, that he's the immortal spirit of Gaeseric, an ancient king who was brought down by the God Hand (I think) some several thousands of years prior to the story we're following now. It's in vol. 10, when Guts and team are sneaking into the dungeons to rescue Griffith.

Post by **reditor** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:34 am

As for SK, of course he's not the king of Elfheim... it was pretty strongly implied...

SK, the king of Elfheim?????! Who suggested that? I thought it was obvious that the king of elves was the dark-haired stranded "child" that Caska adopted on the beach(you know, normal kids seldom save people from being eaten by mutant crocodiles or impaled by a berseker). Anyway, today's chapter will probably show us the answer.

Post by **psi29a** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:25 pm

Know one knows who the King of Elfhelm is. SK is mentioned to of Elf Magic and that is the only connection, so it is quite a leap to suggest that SK is king of the Elves.

Also, it isn't proven that he is Gaeseric however there are similiarities between SK's armour and that worn by Gaiseric.

Stop using conjectures as fact. Read the FAQ.

Post by **reditor** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:45 pm

Sorry.

However, I wasn't making statements, just giving my own personal opinions.
And talking about SK and Gaeseric, the similarities in their armors aren't the only fact that suggests they're the same person. Zodd once addressed to SK as "king", I think, but maybe i misread that part.

Post by **psi29a** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:50 pm

*nods* so k, just that it shouldn't be taken as fact that SK is Gaeseric untill it is stated so. Miura does make a lot of innuendos to it however.

Post by **Starnum** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:54 pm

There's been enough clues to suggest that SK is Gaiseric though. I'd bet money he is. Also, I seriously doubt the child on the beach is the elf king. I think Puck would recognize him if that were the case. If anything, that kid is probably Gatts and Casca's once deformed child.

Post by **Deathbringer** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:37 am

Why does the kid gets a human form in the first place?

At first i thought that it was he who got out of the egg apostle but that turned out to be griffith.

Post by **inkthinker** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:39 am

I think the kid from the beach is Caska and Guts's child as well... he's obviously demon-touched, and one of the first things we learn about demons is that they're capable of projecting or metamorphosing into a human form.

It's not stated that SK is Gaesiric, but in vol. 10 it's very, very strongly suggested, and it fits the other clues that have been scattered about. If he's not, then Miura's purposefully being misleading (which he may very well be doing).

Post by **MrFelony** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:14 am

reposting Felony's crazy theories again. the egg apostle didnt change the deformed child into griffith, but seperated griffith's essence from that of Guts and casca's child. what this allowed the egg to do is birth a new griffith from all that nice femto semen and clense the child. however since the child once held femto sperm and shit, that is probably what gives him his nifty powers and what not

Post by **UnforgivingGatsu** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:20 am

psi29a wrote:
UnforgivingGatsu wrote:guys... nobody didn't replay to my post which is on page 33 so nobody have seen it... and i think it is a real good question and it is imposible for me to elieve that nobody at berserk comunity haven't tracked this?? or haven't had any inforamtion that i need... that is really hard to believe so plese be good and take a look on page 33 bottom or shoud i Re-post it
No one responded because of the lack of coherency of what was typed.

How are we the readers to take your questions/thoughts/statements seriously when they are not put forth in a manner that doesn't look like an explosion in a punctuation factory?

The lack of seriousness in the post makes us also not take it seriously.

Take your time, if it is a really good question then people will respond, however if not one responds then it is an indictation that it is not a 'real good question'.

We understand that english is everyone's primary language, that is ok. However the overuse of elipses (and punctuation in general), l33t speek, short-hand, can irratate others and they will avoid/ignore it.

If you feel that you need to repost, then do so but only after you have revisted the post and edited it. Even after that, it still may be ignored.

MrFelony wrote:unless im mistaken the number should be 666...what 616?
You are correct, the brand is a symbol... pull from it what you wish, but it is silly to think that it has anything to do with the mark of the beast (666).

sorry man i don't konw what did you mean by that? i thought i explained well and no, english is not my primary language so sorry to hurt your feelings! i'm sorry for not being expresing words well or wrong spelling or smth....

and i disagree about 666 too... i think it has nothing to do with satan or what so ever....

i was forced to do resarch of my own because several reasons and i don't think it's nessesety to bring them up. back to the subject.
I'm going with this expalnation: Aside from its universal use as a symbol of regeneration and immortality, when forming a ring with its tail in its mouth, is also a clear and widespread symbol of the "All-in-All", the totality of existence. I'm avare that Guts mark does'not have a mouth but i think it was recostructed in that symbol we all know.... I accapted this explanation and here is the original symbol.

Post by **MrFelony** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:40 am

you know it's probabyl just a bad ass brand and miura didnt think anything of it...we're all just reading way too much into it *inserts femto's crazy smiley*

Post by **Arngrim** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:42 am

MrFelony wrote:you know it's probabyl just a bad ass brand and miura didnt think anything of it...we're all just reading way too much into it *inserts femto's crazy smiley*

Take a look at the prototype. It's definitely something he's had in his mind for some time now, but he altered it slightly (imo, much better as a result)

Post by **MrFelony** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:43 am

you know im just giving everyone a hard time since all we do is read deeply (sometime too far) into things

Post by **reditor** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:57 am

I think the kid from the beach is Caska and Guts's child as well... he's obviously demon-touched

That could be true, but I disagree with the demon-touched part, because Guts' brand didn't react at all, and he even hugged the boy. However, I always thought that Femto's spirit was inhabiting Guts' child's body, using it as a vessel, what could explain why Griffith's heart pounded at the sight of Casca.

. the egg apostle didnt change the deformed child into griffith, but seperated griffith's essence from that of Guts and casca's child. what this allowed the egg to do is birth a new griffith from all that nice femto semen and clense the child.

Just one doubt about the theory. If the God Hand's members don't have physical bodies until they gain one, how could Femto's spiritual semen be used to create a corporeal body?

Post by **MrFelony** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:40 pm

the egg apostle's ability was to change people and sort of grant them their wish or w/e they need at the time. Idea's role in the whole thing

Post by **Arngrim** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:45 pm

I'm not going to make any speculation as to what that "child" was. It's somewhat obvious yet as to why he exists, eh, no use in trying to guess, it'll either be completely wrong, or marginally wrong. I doubt too many will guess exactly what it is and how it came to be.

Post by **Gattsblackfalcon** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:11 am

Starnum wrote:There's been enough clues to suggest that SK is Gaiseric though. I'd bet money he is. Also, I seriously doubt the child on the beach is the elf king. I think Puck would recognize him if that were the case. If anything, that kid is probably Gatts and Casca's once deformed child.

i think the same , its not stated that Gaiseric is the SK and that kid the son of Gatts but its almost obvious that somehow this could be true , just guessing , of course.

Post by **Bengal** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:57 am

The kid was obviously drawn to look like the potential offspring of Griffith and Casca. Whether it is their child or not, we are intended to think it is. Just run with it, is my feeling.

I'm certainly of the opinion that Skull Knight is Gaiseric. He's been around for ages, he hates the God Hand, and he's got those sexy duds.

What I've got to wonder at this point is a little simpler and more immediate a concern. Can the Emperor pull that giant thunder body trick again? He bears an obvious scar from the attack Gatts and Zodd made.

Post by **Gattsblackfalcon** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:02 am

Bengal wrote:The kid was obviously drawn to look like the potential offspring of Griffith and Casca. Whether it is their child or not, we are intended to think it is. Just run with it, is my feeling.

I'm certainly of the opinion that Skull Knight is Gaiseric. He's been around for ages, he hates the God Hand, and he's got those sexy duds.

What I've got to wonder at this point is a little simpler and more immediate a concern. Can the Emperor pull that giant thunder body trick again? He bears an obvious scar from the attack Gatts and Zodd made.

well maybe we could see that trick again in the next chapter ( well if they get to fight of course ).

Post by **Starnum** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:04 am

Bengal wrote:What I've got to wonder at this point is a little simpler and more immediate a concern. Can the Emperor pull that giant thunder body trick again? He bears an obvious scar from the attack Gatts and Zodd made.

I'm not thinking he can pull that trick again anytime soon, but you never know. *shrugs*

Post by **psi29a** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:12 pm

Devil_Dante wrote:
UnforgivingGatsu wrote: bla bla bla ...what would i like to know is that i'm interested in that mark guts and caska carry it on their body... i'm interesed i mean i know there must be some explanation about it some symbol that it represent... i wanted to know what it is because after berserk there is many more enconters with that symbol be it in a game, movie, .... and that's more i like to know what it represent... ... bla bla bla:TMI:
Ok this is what I think, probably the only one in this forum:
Its the number 616, mark of the devil written like this

... But then again, most people on this forum think I'm a dumb shit anyway so maybe you shouldn't take this seriously ...

I just stumbled across this and thought people would be interested:

Earlier versions of the mark of the best was 616

Post by **Gattsblackfalcon** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:58 am

i had heard that before , that sounds like credit cards to me .

Post by **God_Hand_Hater07** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:33 am

Bengal wrote:What I've got to wonder at this point is a little simpler and more immediate a concern. Can the Emperor pull that giant thunder body trick again? He bears an obvious scar from the attack Gatts and Zodd made.

I doubt that he will use that again anytime soon, because its already been shown that Gatssu has the ability to beat it, and it would be repetitive and boring if we saw the same shoot lighting block with sword move 20 times while Gattsu tries to get into a position to cut through it.

While i hate to change the subject, And i could also be reading to much into it but, I think there might be a chance that Zodd might Abondon Griffith, Most likely he wont join Gattsu but maybe just be on the sidelines, I think this mostly because of what that one girl who is like psycic, and because zodd not only helped gattsu beat the lightining duesch but stoped the goons from going at him i personally think this is more then just respect, Zodd is seriously thinking about either killing Gattsu or getting out of his way. BTW sorry for the long post

Post by **Aeriel** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:16 pm

Bengal wrote:What I've got to wonder at this point is a little simpler and more immediate a concern. Can the Emperor pull that giant thunder body trick again? He bears an obvious scar from the attack Gatts and Zodd made.

Ganiska is an apostle and it seems an especially powerful one. Thus, he must have a variety of powers, so no need in repeating old tricks over and over. Though 'old man thunder' did prove to be very effective against multiple opponents

On the other hand, what he used in siege of Vitranis is actually a form of magic - projecting your astral body and commanding the elements of air and water, pretty much what Schrieke does. And since the little wich is fully capable of repeating her feats, it is logical to assume that Ganishka would have no problems to manifest himself again.
The scar he wears is probably just a sing of a physical wound, rather than spiritual one. Though, since Miura didn't give us enough insight on how the magic works in Berserk it is possible that Dragonslayer also temporarily deprived Ghaniska of his powers...

God_Hand_Hater07 wrote:While i hate to change the subject, And i could also be reading to much into it but, I think there might be a chance that Zodd might Abondon Griffith, Most likely he wont join Gattsu but maybe just be on the sidelines, I think this mostly because of what that one girl who is like psycic, and because zodd not only helped gattsu beat the lightining duesch but stoped the goons from going at him i personally think this is more then just respect, Zodd is seriously thinking about either killing Gattsu or getting out of his way.

I think Zodd is just to tightly bound to Griffit to abandon him. After all, Zodd IS an apostle, and thus destined to follow the Hawk of Light. What might happen imho is that Zodd is gonna admire Gutts more and more and prevent other apostles of fighting him. He would want him only for himself! Remember, Zodd said he only wishes to fight someone stronger. What I wonder is, if Gutts ever beats Zodd, what then?

God_Hand_Hater07 wrote:BTW sorry for the long post

What should I say then?

Btw, sorry if I misspelled some of the names, I was lazy and didn't want to check the manga...

Post by **Khelegond** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:31 pm

Ok, let me ask you something...Griffith was reborn on Gatts and Casca deformed son, right? If so, what the heck was that child on the beach?

Now...what if that child on the beach was Gatts and Casca son's soul? I was thinking about that the other day...Griffith got his body, but his soul was ... dislocated...

Yeah, whatever...was just some bizarre speculation...