Mad scientists seeks to destroy world.

Post by **psi29a** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:32 pm

Deep underground on the Franco-Swiss border, someone will throw a switch next year to start one of the most ambitious experiments in history, probing the secrets of the universe and possibly finding new dimensions.

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These beams will have the kinetic energy of an aircraft carrier slammed into the size of a zero on a 20p piece

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We are going to make mini Big Bangs

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It is an incredibly exciting machine. It will be turned on next year and run for at least a decade and probably 20 years and the first results - if the machine behaves itself - should start coming out within a year

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For the first time in many decades we have built a machine that exceeds our powers of prediction

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Dr Cox dismissed worries that by adventuring into the unknown and creating tiny black holes, the machine could even destroy the planet.

"The probability is at the level of 10 to the minus 40," he said.

What part of 'exceeds our powers of prediction' and 'probability is at the level of 10 to the minus 40' to go hand in hand? I would think the two statements are mutually exclusive.

I'm not making this up, I can't wait for this thing to go live... but the article makes them all seem like crazy made scientists. I laughed.

Post by **Starnum** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:29 pm

Um...what? Won't even a tiny black hole destroy the planet? So they want to open a gate to alternate dimensions eh? That's actually pretty interesting. I hope they make sure to build a super robot while they're at it, because we'll need it to fight off the invaders that come out of the rift, lol.

Post by **psi29a** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:36 pm

Starnum wrote:

Um...what? Won't even a mini-black hole destroy the planet? What are they hoping to accomplish by doing this exactly?

The point is to follow the link and RTFA...

The Large Hadron Collider - a 27km-long circular particle accelerator at the CERN experimental facility near Geneva, will smash protons into one another at unimaginable speeds trying to replicate in miniature the events of the Big Bang.

"These beams will have the kinetic energy of an aircraft carrier slammed into the size of a zero on a 20p piece," Brian Cox of Manchester University told the annual meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science.

"We are going to make mini Big Bangs.

"There has never been such a jump in particle physics. It will go into an area that we don't really understand," he added.

The fundamental goal of the massive machine is to answer the basic but crucial question of how matter was created at the birth of the universe.

"We don't know what 95 per cent of the universe is made of - which is a bit embarrassing for a subject that claims to be fundamental," Dr Cox said.

"There is dark matter. It is all over the place but we have no idea what it is."

"There is also something called dark energy, and that is an even bigger question.

"It makes up about 70 per cent of the energy in the universe, but again we have absolutely no idea what it is.

Post by **Starnum** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:44 pm

I was in the process of that when you made your post...

Post by **TheDrizzit** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:05 pm

I am really looking forward to see what comes out of that thing.

Post by **Sortep** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:20 pm

party at cingo headquarters when they fire this thing up!

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:16 pm

I always thought the planet was going to die slowly

Post by **Starlore** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:46 pm

Starnum wrote:

Um...what? Won't even a tiny black hole destroy the planet? So they want to open a gate to alternate dimensions eh? That's actually pretty interesting. I hope they make sure to build a super robot while they're at it, because we'll need it to fight off the invaders that come out of the rift, lol.

Agreed, call in the Gundams. These guys need to watch more Scifi. Considering that we haven't even delved deep enough into the unknown realms upon our own planet, let alone space, I don't know how they figure they can just jump into this. They're grossly unprepared; Exobiology is a rare enough field, but NDExobiology is a NON existant one. Moreso, I'm not personally thrilled w/the notion of riding a grain of sand into oblivion as the world implodes due to the "low (but not impossible!) probability of accidentally destroying the planet". I don't know what it is about humans & their propensity towards flinging themselves blindly into the darkest depths of the unknown in the name of "scientific advancement", but as we should've learned by now, every action has an equal (or potentially greater) reaction. 2 words: Pandora's Box...

If it was just the dabblers that would suffer the consequences, fuck it. But considering we'd ALL end up paying for their nosiness, ugh. Of course, exploration takes risk, but there's a difference between risk & blatant recklessness. This is exciting, don't get me wrong, but that sense is easily overidden by an undeniable sense of foreboding.

The scientific machine is getting too big for it's britches.
It grossly needs to learn (when) to keep it's dick in it's pants...

WARNING: Mini black holes do NOT give good head!

unless of course it simply prefers to have it gnawed off by the nearest NDE lol.

Post by **psi29a** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:56 pm

bah, nonsense... how about a sense of adventure.

Columbus wanted a new trade route and be famous, people said he would sail off the edge of the world.

Turns out the earth is round, we proved it and Columbus spread European disease to the natives eventually killing off massive populations.

This is about the same, we test a big honking machine... possible prove the braneworld idea isn't just flights of fancy and possibly turn it into a theory, bring m-theory out of philosophy and into experimental science. The tests also include those that would prove that there are actually more than 3d of space (time doesn't count).

End result is that a good portion of ET's we meet in the process will be killed by our germs.

Post by **Starlore** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:09 pm

Don't get me wrong, my major would've been in a scientific field, so I appreciate the nature of exploratory & experiential learning. BUT, this is a huge void that we're walking into. No doubt that exploration is only ever a shot in the dark, but I think that some things (especially of this caliber) warrant a bit more insight than we currently have. Proving M-Theory & the notion of there being more than 3D's (of course there are lol!), would thrill me enormously, but I don't think we just need to run around sticking our dicks into a hole w/out knowing anything about what's in it lol!

As for the germs, yeah, most likely (read: hopefully! *sneezes*) but it could just as easily go in the opposite direction...they could bring us the smallpox blankets. We should at least be aware of that as a possibility, that is all.

Now, come the hell up here & let's have some drinks & fling around random theoretical convos', debates & bullshit!

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:09 pm

columbus sailing off to find the new world didnt have a small chance of destroying the planet

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and is this small percentage of killing everyone a one time shot, or like every second, nanosecond, minute or hour?

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:58 pm

psi29a wrote:End result is that a good portion of ET's we meet in the process will be killed by our germs.

Dude, have you seen Shin Getter? Invaders are frakin invincible! There's no way we'd want to unleash something like that upon the planet.

Besides, even tiny black holes can create enormous gravity wells. I don't know, it doesn't sound very safe to me. Oh well, what's the worst thing that could happen, we could all die...*shrugs*

Post by **psi29a** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:05 pm

Sounds an aweful lot church talk that doesn't want us from finding the truth. *tongue in cheek*

You guys suck, come on... sense of adventure!

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:10 pm

psi29a wrote:Sounds an aweful lot church talk

Um, what? Where the hell do you get that? Now you're just making stuff up. Hey, I've already said they should go for it. I'm just saying it would kind of suck if something horrible happened. Actually, if you want some church talk...from a religious stand point, I guess I can have faith that they won't destroy the planet, as that would contradict the End Times described in the book of Revelation, heh.

Post by **Khelegond** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:11 pm

One spoon full of a black hole's mass weights (sp?) more then the moon. It's no simple play.

But I really don't think that should stop them.

Post by **Starlore** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:13 pm

I love adventure! The Space Pirate in me craves it!! But not enough to cannonball out of the airlock to skinny dip in space wearing only magentic boots, an eye patch & a sword!

Yaaaaarrr, thar' be KRRRRAAAKENS in them black waters!

Psi, why don't we have a damned Pirate emoticon!? lol

Oooh...I've got Church talk!!! God just called & he's "OMGWTF ROFLCOPTERS!!111ONEONEONE!" at us ftl er

Post by **psi29a** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:18 pm

Starlore: Find me one.

Starnum: you do know what *tongue in cheek* means right?

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:26 pm

I didn't get the impression anyone was even considering this from a religious view. The whole, "Oh no the Christians are afraid they'll be proven wrong!" thing seems to be a bit ridiculous to me. As I've said, if anything, I can have faith in God, that they won't destroy the planet. However, from a scientific mindset, it is a bit unsettling to think about. Trying to blame religion on one being cautious in this endeavor just seems completely out of place here. If anything, it sounds like an excuse to go be reckless, which doesn't fly with me. If they want to go play mad scientist, that's fine with me, but I don't think anyone's bringing the church into this. Last I checked we didn't have any crazed zealots around here, heh.

Actually, I just looked up that expression to be sure I knew what it meant, and it was a bit different than I though...so if you meant it jokingly, as in you didn't really mean what you said, then um, nevermind, or something, lol.

Post by **psi29a** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:48 pm

lol indeed.

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:49 pm

Make them build me a giant robot too, Psi....Pweeeeease!!!

Post by **halfnhalf** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:09 pm

am i the only one that had stargate images when reading this??

And about black holes, didnt non-talking steven hawkings change his theory on black holes and how they dont exist??

Post by **Bengal** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:13 pm

What you black-hole fearers are skipping in this process is the important fact that the incredibly small scale they're working on is what makes black hole experimentation safe. A black hole has gravity because it has mass. There won't be enough mass involved in this experiment to knock the spoon off of a desk across the room from the machine, even provided something were to go wrong. Further, any black holes created by the experiment will be unstable and collapse almost immediately.

Post by **Khelegond** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:15 pm

Stephen Hawkings? How can Black holes not exist? Hmmm...
Anyway - I don't think it's possible (much less probable) they create tiny black holes. If they create it, the 'tiny' would be the size of atoms. That way they can manipulate it so much easily. They're not stupid

PS: PSI:

Post by **Vicissitude** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:47 am

This isn't a Black Hole Generator. This will open a portal to Xen and the Combine will come in and conquer earth and supress our breeding cycles! Only one man can save us now. An MIT graduate with no military training whatsoever.

Post by **Malvado** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:51 am

halfnhalf wrote:am i the only one that had stargate images when reading this??

And about black holes, didnt non-talking steven hawkings change his theory on black holes and how they dont exist??

They can't exist, they're a myth just like black people. we are a illusion just go to japan.

edit: oh snap! Today is my 600th day here, time to get nakkid and show my e-peen.