Berserk Chapter 276

Post by **Istvan** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:27 pm

Well, if he is trying to protect Guts, he's not doing all that great a job of it. Sure, he distracted the Emperor, but on the other hand he's fallen on top of Guts (while on fire, no less) and knocked him into the water. That's not the most effective form of protection that I've ever seen.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:41 am

I don't see why Zodd will have any reason to protect Guts from Ganshika. Zodd has always jumped and leapt at the chance of very challenging fight he gets, regardless how strong or big his opponent is. He jumped on Griffith even when he knew he was a God hand, and lost his horn. He just loves a good challenge, that's all.

Post by **Deathbringer** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:51 am

Eldo´s right, Zodd probably didn´t knew that Guts was in the water.

Post by **Sortep** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:57 am

they made eye contact... so zodd knows he's there.. but i dont see zodd going out of his way to help guts... there is a possibility of a teamup against the emperor... but it would be a machiavelian truce at best.... we'll see in a couple weeks

Post by **absofflab** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:59 pm

I agree that Zodd probably wouldn't be (intentionally) trying to help Guts, but he did seem to intentionally dive toward Guts...

I wonder if there's any chance that Zodd's thinking of grabbing the Dragon Slayer for his own use? From the levels of knowledge and insight he's shown regarding the nature of the supernatural, it's not inconceivable that he knows about the demon/apostle-killing powers of the sword.

Post by **Khelegond** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:50 pm

What I mean is that Zodd seemed to fall and take Gatts with him. Too much coincidence, methinks. What he plans to do? No idea. Maybe he knows that Ganishka offered a chance for him to join up, and Zodd knows Gatts on the wrong side is a bad choice for them, whatever...

Post by **Istvan** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:36 pm

Nah, if he knew that much he'd also no that Guts had refused the offer, so that wouldn't be any reason for him to take action.

Post by **Chaos_Wanderer** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:00 am

No one can know what Griffiths plans are for the emperor, or why Zodd is fighting him now. But lets look at the details anyways.
There is a Battle going on and Guts and Company, a small group of humans are unexpectedly plowing through Demon Spawn and as a result, completely reshaping the field of battle. Kind of screws up the opposing generals (Griffiths) Plans.
The Result? The Emperor has Made an appearance himself. To a lowly Mortal no less. Well if the Emperor thinks Guts is worth acquiring, i wonder if anyone on Griffiths side would agree.

Finally, we see what is possibly Griffiths reaction. He sends all his flying Minions. Is this his original strategy or did something go wrong? Because i can really understand how one would use airplanes when a tank is useless on watter. there was no one else able to reach the emperor.
Did Guts success screw up Griffiths plans and force the emperor to show himself early? on water where he has a powerful advantage?
Things haven't gone to plan and that could explain the look in Zodds eyes.

Post by **Istvan** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:03 am

While I doubt that anyone on Griffith's side is thinking of acquiring Guts (they may think he's worth it, but they probably also know he'll never join them), you do have an interesting point about how much the battle has changed do to Guts (and his party's) interference. Although, if that's the case, I kind of wonder why Griffith didn't just abort the operation, or at least tell his troops to avoid the Emperor instead of actively attacking him. You'd think that would make more sense then to carry out a flawed attack.

Post by **Chaos_Wanderer** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:13 am

Stratigicly, running would be a smart idea, but wouldn't look good for public relations. Also, its not Zodds style either. I can't see him running from a fight.
My current working theory is Zodd was carrying out Griffiths orders and battle stratagy (Griffith is too busy gaining the favor of the Church) and he must win the battle at all cost. Not expecting Gutz and company, he had to improvise. Zodd is a fighter and he did the only thing he knows how to do. Face an enemy head on with an airborn assult.

Sry, maybe this could have been in the "stupid theory" topic. i got carried away again..

Post by **Kaey-Shi** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:17 pm

what about that: Griffith doesnt want anyone else killing Gutts. (he may send his minions to kill gutts, but if he gets killed by them, then he wasnt worth to have been called friend (or something like that), but nobody outside the "circle" is allowed to off gutts. <-- Griffith point of view)

(its late, i wanted to say something again, just ignore me if you wish to do so)

Post by **Istvan** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:16 pm

Nah, if (and it's a big if) Griffith does consider Guts a friend, I doubt he'd be anymore willing for his own people to kill him then for anyone else to. Back when they were friends, Griffith was always very protective of Guts (when he thought that Guts needed it, he mostly trusted Guts to survive). I suppose that could be what's happening now, but it seems kind of unlikely.

Post by **Starnum** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:17 am

Yeah, I really doubt it. Why must we go through the mass speculation though. For all we know, Zodd just came in to fight Ganishka, and then got blasted several times and crashed into Gatts. How they'll react after that, we'll see. I mean, that seems the most plausible answer to me. I doubt Griffith feels anything for Gatts anymore, but who knows.

Post by **Istvan** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:22 pm

Well, he seems to feel something, although he blames it on the baby he absorbed, I just doubt that he in any way feels enough to sacrifice that big a chunk of his army just to keep the Emperor from killing him.

Post by **Starnum** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:42 am

Exactly. I mean, we know he felt something for Casca. Regardless of how he now feels about Gatts, I doubt he'll be swayed from his dream again.

Post by **Chaos_Wanderer** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:47 am

Bah, for Guts to truly defeat Griffith, he has to do more than put the Dragon Slayer into his chest. He'd have to defeat him mentally. Take away his confidence, challenge everything Griffith has ever believed. Then he will be broken. And his dream will fade.
Guts and Casca may be the only ones who can do this.

Post by **Istvan** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:50 pm

I don't think that it is even possible to make Griffith think that everything he believes is wrong, and I strongly doubt Guts would even try. To completely defeat Griffith, even mentally, could probably be done be destroying his dream, and simply defeating (by which I mean killing) him would do that. Guts doesn't seem the type to get really fancy in his revenge, I highly doubt he plans to do anything more then kill Griffith, if he can.

Post by **Sortep** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:02 am

But in a way killin griffith is the most elegant thing guts can possibly do... for one who thinks himself infallible and more than any man or demon... for a mere human to completely defeat him... what is more poetic?

Post by **Istvan** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:25 pm

Exactly. Especially since the God's Hand have talked about how what he's doing doesn't matter at all. So if he actually managed to kill Femto, that would totally shatter their world (and especially Griffiths,who thinks of himself as invincible. Heck, look at how surprised and shocked he was to loose to Guts back when he was human. Loosing now would be far worse for him).

Post by **Khelegond** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:52 pm

I don't think Gatts can take Griffith now. Even if them both were alone, he couldn't. It would be a nice fight, sure, but...Griffith is in another level now. I think Gatts will need more "tools" to fight Griffith...

Post by **Istvan** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:21 am

Oh, certainly. If they fought now, I'm not even sure it would be a "good fight". I think Griffith would totally own him. But eventually he'll probably find some way to defeat Griffith. Or if he doesn't this series will have a very strange ending.

Post by **dos.azn** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:38 am

lol whats been up with berserk. i havent read it in ages lol

Post by **Sortep** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:41 am

dos.azn wrote:lol whats been up with berserk. i havent read it in ages lol

slap yourself... right now

Post by **Skullkracker** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:35 pm

dos.azn wrote:lol whats been up with berserk. i havent read it in ages lol

WoW must be a poison...

Post by **Kaey-Shi** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:14 pm

Skullkracker wrote:WoW must be a poison...

*nodnod*