Guts and Griffith: The ties that bind

[ZoddsNo1Fan]

I dont even thing that Guts goal is to kill Griffeth. Ever since the great eclipse Guts has been in the fog and perhaps Caska lost her sanity then as well. Guts wants to talk to Griffeth and to find out exactly what happend to Griffeth and to get answers.

If to resolve their confusion Guts has to kill Griffeth or vice versa i think that Guts would be satisfied even if he never found out why. Also to resolve this Guts is gay bs, why do you think Guts has risked his life multiple times to save Caska, its because he loves her and wanted to spend the rest of his life with her.

[Khelegond]

What I think can happen is a change of reasons. I mean, Gatts wanted to kill Griffith, more than anything.

But now he's worried about Casca. About his newfound comrades. In the end, I think he'll fight Griffith and his armies more because they're 'ravaging' the world, not because of his personal vendetta. Of course, his hate for him still flows freely...but he seems to be a bit weary from the fight. I think the Casca healed will reinfuse him with the spirit to fight like the old times again...

[elric le tueur d'amis]

"healed Caska" ?
The healing is still not sure;
The band will have many others problems before reaching Elfleim and even if they reach it,maybe some apostles or kushans can have invaded it before...

[Khelegond]

Not sure, but I think the trip will be quite uneventfull. I think, since he's doing such a huge job in this fight, any other fight until the Elven land will be overshadowed. I don't think we'll have any battle in Elfhelm...

[42ndEndOfTheWorld]

Not sure, but I think the trip will be quite uneventfull. I think, since he's doing such a huge job in this fight, any other fight until the Elven land will be overshadowed. I don't think we'll have any battle in Elfhelm...

I just hope that they will not encounter pirates or some shit like that. I mean, that Kushan wizard/apostle guy said that each of four big creatures that guts had slain was able to sink 10 battleships. So it would be impossible for Miura to make pirates look strong now without contradicting himself, which would suck.

I am concerned because one pirate captain has already been introduced earlier, so it would be logical (and stupid) for him to attack them on sea.

[Istvan]

But now he's worried about Casca. About his newfound comrades. In the end, I think he'll fight Griffith and his armies more because they're 'ravaging' the world, not because of his personal vendetta. Of course, his hate for him still flows freely...but he seems to be a bit weary from the fight. I think the Casca healed will reinfuse him with the spirit to fight like the old times again...

I question whether Griffith and his army will be ravaging the land. Griffith wants his own country, and he wants people to view him as a savior, in order to facilitate this. Neither goal will be aided by going around ravaging the countryside. If you look at his actions up to now, they're the exact opposite of ravaging, precisely because he wants people to view him as some sort of saint. So while I am fairly sure that Gutts will ultimately confront him, I think it will be for his own reasons, not out of altruism.

I just hope that they will not encounter pirates or some shit like that. I mean, that Kushan wizard/apostle guy said that each of four big creatures that guts had slain was able to sink 10 battleships. So it would be impossible for Miura to make pirates look strong now without contradicting himself, which would suck.

I am concerned boecuse one pirate captain has allready been introduced earlier, so it would be logical (and stupied) for him to attack them on sea.

I'll agree that I hope they don't get attacked by pirates, and I think it would be highly annoying if they did (especially if they seem to have trouble dealing with them) but that's more because of Schierke then anything else. After all, if the pirates hung off and just blasted them with cannons, I'm not sure how much any of the rest of them could do. Schierke, however, should have no trouble sinking a fleet or two, so pirates would just be silly.

[Sandman]

Ok Guts's SHORT term Goal is to see if the Elven King can cure Caska, LONG term goal rid the world of the god hand, and evil beings. If his true goal is to live happily ever after with Caska then he cant do that branded so maybe getting unbranded would be his Ultimate goal?? Who knows... maybe the Elven King will ask Guts what his Goal is... like a guidence councler

[Istvan]

While I'm sure that Guts would like to remove the brand, I don't know if that's actually a goal of his (like killing the God's Hand) simply because I doubt he has any idea where to start, or how to even try. Killing the God's Hand he figures starts by killing their apostles, so at least he has something to work on.

[elric le tueur d'amis]

Killing the apostles won't kill the godhands(and killing all the apostles is nearly impossible) and Guts knows that
but attacking every apostle that he meets is a sure way to meet the godhands sooner or later (cf the count episode);
Guts is currently not dangerous for the Gh : he only kills some weak or average apostles but not the leaders (Zodd,Grunbeld,...),he can be view by the Gh like a little disease who eliminate some useless servants, not more.

[Libaax]

Ok Guts's SHORT term Goal is to see if the Elven King can cure Caska, LONG term goal rid the world of the god hand, and evil beings. If his true goal is to live happily ever after with Caska then he cant do that branded so maybe getting unbranded would be his Ultimate goal?? Who knows... maybe the Elven King will ask Guts what his Goal is... like a guidence councler

I dont think he cares about removing the brand as much as he wants the god hands gone cause that would mean no more monsters and apostle stalking the world.


I dont think Guts would go "ah no more brand now i dont care more about killing god hand and apostle cause they arent my problem"

[elric le tueur d'amis]

he would hesitate if in Elfheim Caska was cured,his brand was gone (aren't the elfs the best healers in that manga) and had the assurance that evil creature can't find the elf kingdom(he can be considered himself as evil by the elfes and dangerous for peace,by the way);
but we are in Berzerk,I am sure he won't have to do that choice.

another thing,Guts is currently helping Griffith by slaying some kushans invaders and staying far from Griffith's army...

[Libaax]

You underestimating his hate for the apostle and God hands and most of all his hate for Griffith who killed all his friends and raped his girl in front of him.


He woulndt live in a place that they cant harm him in peace when he knows they are out there.


Just cause he isnt as angry and dark as before doesn't mean he hate them to his core.

Yeah Casca is his current goal but not the big goal.

[elric le tueur d'amis]

I said he would hesitate (not give up the fight);
do you forget that he stayed in peace with Caska in Rickert's house ?
I am sure that he can't stay forever in the same place but he sometimes wants to rest and Elfheim can be this place (maybe he will stay 2 or 3 years,we don't know).

[Libaax]

He will not stay years....


There is a big big diffrence beteween resting and staying in a place.


Cause staying means giving up his original goal and forgetting about his greatest reason to stay alive.

[elric le tueur d'amis]

That'is the point where we disagree,for me his greatest reason to stay alive is Caska(second is revenge);
for you it is killing Griffith.

[Quest]

i think the title will answer what gut's main quest is.
=)
of course guts loves caska but the gist of it is to get her to a safe haven or revert her back to normal so he can go and kick femto's ass.

[elric le tueur d'amis]

Well,he can't forget all the damage Griffith inflicted to him mentally and physically(the brand is the symbol of that fact) but I still think that Caska is the only person who can stop a final fight between Guts and Griffith cause she was loved by both;
for me she stays,as the first girl for Guts and as the living proof of the old hawks,the only reason why he is alive(I consider that without Caska,the wild black dog in Guts'mind would have won leading him to death).

[Libaax]

Haha Casca the one to stop the fight beteween Guts and Griffith?

You just made Berserk sound like a romantic drama or something....


Berserk is about Guts and his hatred for certain monster aka Griffith and his crew.


Casca sure is the one he loves but she are also one of the reasons The god hand must go down to protect her.

Also its not about single revenge for his friends,he knows he cant live while they are alive. What they do now arent a living wandering around and monster chasing you everywhere you go.


Also i doubt Griffith ever cared about Casca,the way he treated her when he was thier leader showed that.
The only time he cared about her was when she got togther with Guts. Then it was only about jelousy that his lowly peons love for him went to Guts instead.


Yeah he loved her so much that he raped her infront of her lover....

[elric le tueur d'amis]

Haha Casca the one to stop the fight beteween Guts and Griffith?

You just made Berserk sound like a romantic drama or something....

Casca sure is the one he loves but she are also one of the reasons The god hand must go down to protect her.

Also its not about single revenge for his friends,he knows he cant live while they are alive. What they do now arent a living wandering around and monster chasing you everywhere you go.


Also i doubt Griffith ever cared about Casca,the way he treated her when he was thier leader showed that.
The only time he cared about her was when she got togther with Guts. Then it was only about jelousy that his lowly peons love for him went to Guts instead.
Yeah he loved her so much that he raped her infront of her lover....

Berserk is in a way a romantic drama,reread some chapters with Caska or Schierke or Farnese,...

I never denied that he had the plan to destroy the Gh but protecting Caska comes first

You say Grifith never cared of Caska : he did sionce the every start he match and he loved her but like a big brother in a first time,he raped her to say to Guts "She is mine,don't believe to live with her,it won't happen".

[Libaax]

Still some chapter of romance dont change the genre of the manga.


I never denied protecting casca and taking her to somewhere safe isnt his current goal but it isnt his reason to live like the other goal he has. I mean he dumped her before to go on with his mission he will do it again.

I think you need to reread the early chapter specially the ones with Band of hawks Griffith never showed any of them affection not even Casca who thought she was close to him but he only used like he did everyone.

You say he says this with raping her to Guts "She is mine,don't believe to live with her,it won't happen".? How is that an argument to show that Griffith cared for her as you say.

[42ndEndOfTheWorld]

I'll agree that I hope they don't get attacked by pirates, and I think it would be highly annoying if they did (especially if they seem to have trouble dealing with them) but that's more because of Schierke then anything else. After all, if the pirates hung off and just blasted them with cannons, I'm not sure how much any of the rest of them could do. Schierke, however, should have no trouble sinking a fleet or two, so pirates would just be silly.

Well, I think that I disagree with you here. Serpico can fly and he should be able to easily slice sails (and ropes) in two, thus making whole ship immobile. Since his elemental sword can easily decapitate several people from distance, how hard could it be to slice mere canvas in two? Since there are no guns in Berserk (only cannons and arrows) it would be hard for anyone aboard the ship to kill fast moving Serpico.

Guts has his little cannon, so he can certainly do some damage, and his crossbow is excellent weapon for killing people from a distance. And if he somehow manages to reach enemy ship, they are as good as bunch of corpses.

[Libaax]

Is someone actually doubting what Guts would do to a bunch of pirates....

Who is that qoute from???


Serpico on his own could take pirates, he is with a guy that eats apostles for dinner,pirates will seem like bugs compared to what they normaly fight against.

[42ndEndOfTheWorld]

Is someone actually doubting what Guts would do to a bunch of pirates....

Who is that qoute from???


Serpico on his own could take pirates, he is with a guy that eats apostles for dinner,pirates will seem like bugs compared to what they normaly fight against.

No one doubts that Guts & Co. could kill pirates. However, some of us are concerned that they might be attacked by them, which would suck, since only way for Miura to make pirates strong would be to make some characters weaker than they realy are.

I just want them to reach that elfhiem to heal Casca. We want this plot to develop.

[Libaax]

I want the plot to develop so badly cause for the first time Berserk story doesnt seem amazing to me and that bother me alot.

The mangaka is stalling the story way too much.

Also doesnt he know most of us wanna get rid of Casca and get to elfhiem sometime this decade so we can see what Guts does after that.

[Fatal_CobraX]

Random ...
Guess who Griffith thinks of when he's having sex..
Guts.