Berserk Chapter: 273

Post by **Gundam_Bobcat** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:23 pm

Well its nice to know that I wasn't the only person who thought that. Anyways the flash-back/history lesson in Volume 10, made Skull Knight older than Zodd.

Post by **Starnum** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:50 pm

I don't think Zodd is as old as SK and Void, who are probably like a thousand years old. I think Zodd is only like 300 years old, which is still pretty old though.

Post by **Istvan** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:40 pm

I sort of wonder why, given that he is clearly more powerful, SK hasn't ever killed Zodd yet. The implication is that they've fought several times, and SK seems substantially more powerful, but both are still around. Is there some reason that SK doesn't want Zodd dead? Or is Zodd just really good at running away? I have a really hard time picturing the second, from my impression of him, I would think that Zodd wouldn't even mind dying in battle as long as it was against a superior foe, I can't quite picture him running.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:44 pm

I can see only two reasons, Sk has a reason to keep him alive maybe he needs him for something or he cant kill Zodd for some reason.

Post by **Eldo** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:39 pm

Istvan wrote:I sort of wonder why, given that he is clearly more powerful, SK hasn't ever killed Zodd yet. The implication is that they've fought several times, and SK seems substantially more powerful, but both are still around. Is there some reason that SK doesn't want Zodd dead? Or is Zodd just really good at running away? I have a really hard time picturing the second, from my impression of him, I would think that Zodd wouldn't even mind dying in battle as long as it was against a superior foe, I can't quite picture him running.

Perhaps it's all relating to fate? It seems that Skullknight has some degree of understanding for fate. Maybe SK has his own reasons for it, by allowing Zodd to live, he eventually became Griffith's bodyguard, and led the neo hawks. I don't know, SK has held his sword back before against that behelit apostle proclaiming that 'fate doesn't want him to die yet'.

I've always considered SK and Zodd as near equal in power, as rivals. Maybe SK is a bit more powerful, but not substancially, in my eyes.

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:36 am

eldo wrote:I've always considered SK and Zodd as near equal in power, as rivals. Maybe SK is a bit more powerful, but not substancially, in my eyes.

I have never seen Zodd land a blow to SK and Sk has severed Zodds limbs and fingers but lets him life, for what reason only fate knows. I think that SK thinks of Zodd as an unnessary death or is Guts fated to kill him, that would be cool.

Post by **Baz** » Wed May 10, 2006 4:46 pm

Sandman pay attention to volume 26 when they talk before fighting and also look at SK's shield a bit later on, with the claw marks in it.

Zod wrote: "Do not be mistaken. I am the only one who can hold you. It's just that."

I think it's clear that SK wanted to protect Flora but is stopped by Zod and the claw marks show damage can be done by him also. SkullKnight and Zod are around about evenly matched in my view. Also remember losing a limb isn't that big of a deal for Zod he can put it right back on or use it as a club like in vol 5 LOL

Post by **Istvan** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:02 pm

I would agree that they are pretty close in power, but I also think that it's clear that SK has at least a bit of an edge. Not sure how big of one, but it's pretty clear that he surpasses Zodd.

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 pm

Istvan wrote:I would agree that they are pretty close in power, but I also think that it's clear that SK has at least a bit of an edge. Not sure how big of one, but it's pretty clear that he surpasses Zodd.

The question is why isnt he dead, I think that Zodd will be the last of the apostles for Guts to kill, which will be a very good acomplishment and leave Griffith bodygaurdless (except for that Kushan guy Ranakasha??) which he really dosent need. I think he keeps him around for transportation and a filter of worthy opponents.

PS in the battle that Griffith saved Mule did anyone notice that behind Grunbeld (SP??) there was a unit of other Gaint apostles!!! I want to see guts fight those guys

Post by **Istvan** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:52 am

The real question is to what extent does Griffith even need bodyguards? There's a lot of speculation as to how much of his powers he still retains, and for that matter just how much power the God's Hand possess. I'm hoping that he personally kills the Kushan King, just so we can finally see him in action and get some indication as to his abilities. All we know right now is that they're almost certainly high.

Post by **Sandman** » Fri May 12, 2006 9:15 am

Lets see.... he can make arrow pass through him, make his horse fly, make the spirits come back for last good byes, and still seems pretty good with a sword. but his powers are nothing like when he was/is femto.

When the worlds merge, like I said before, he will probably have all the same powers as femto in his Griffith form, but that is just a theory

Post by **Starnum** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:36 pm

I don't think the arrows passed through him, as much as he just dodged them in such a way so that they appeared to all miss. Besides, as far as we know, he's just as strong as he always was.

Post by **Sandman** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:54 pm

If he was I think he would have shown them during the first battle with the Kushan, when all the "elite" apostles showed up, or maybe he didnt want to show off or something because word of his power would have reached Ganashika ears... like I said educated guesses.

Post by **Lord Rae** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:08 pm

Well he severed Zodds horn without so much as a blink.... but that was probably still an ethereal version of himself... but I'd bet he can at least do what he wanted to most anyone..

Post by **Sandman** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:25 pm

yeah that was in a dream before Griffith was reborn. into the real world

Post by **Istvan** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:37 pm

Lets see.... he can make arrow pass through him, make his horse fly, make the spirits come back for last good byes, and still seems pretty good with a sword. but his powers are nothing like when he was/is femto.

I can't think of any occasion when he actually needed to use the powers of Femto, whatever those were (the only thing we ever saw him do as Femto was shatter a cononball by glaring at it, and hurl Gutts across a room). So far it is entirely possible that the reason he's never done more is that he never saw a need, plus he's trying to appear human (albiet a devinely blessed one) to his human followers. Really cutting loose might damage this image. That's why I'd like to see him have to really fight, so we can get a better impression of what he can actually do.[/code]

Post by **Gundam_Bobcat** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:48 am

Istvan wrote:
Lets see.... he can make arrow pass through him, make his horse fly, make the spirits come back for last good byes, and still seems pretty good with a sword. but his powers are nothing like when he was/is femto.

I can't think of any occasion when he actually needed to use the powers of Femto, whatever those were (the only thing we ever saw him do as Femto was shatter a cononball by glaring at it, and hurl Gutts across a room). So far it is entirely possible that the reason he's never done more is that he never saw a need, plus he's trying to appear human (albiet a devinely blessed one) to his human followers. Really cutting loose might damage this image. That's why I'd like to see him have to really fight, so we can get a better impression of what he can actually do.[/code]

I don't know where you are getting that idea, his army is made up of apostles and most of them you can tell something isn't right with them. The humans that are with him understand the fact there is something special about him.

Post by **Quest** » Sat May 13, 2006 5:05 am

griffith > zodd doesnt mean he has no need for zodd.
he needs zodd the same way a master needs a retainer.

Post by **Istvan** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:08 pm

I don't know where you are getting that idea, his army is made up of apostles and most of them you can tell something isn't right with them. The humans that are with him understand the fact there is something special about him.

Special, yes, but not utterly inhuman. With what he has currently done, they can tell themselves things like that he is blessed by god, or whatever. But he still seems human enough that they can relate to him, while being special enough to cause them to idolize them. If he really let loose with the powers of Femto, they might not be able to see him as human anymore, and so they wouldn't follow him with as much passion and conviction. That would hurt his goal, so I doubt he would want to show off.

Post by **psi29a** » Mon May 15, 2006 6:23 pm

Trimmed the posts to get back to the point, question should have asked in the newbie thread but hey. I will add to the FAQ when I have time.

So, back to 273...

Post by **Krellius** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:33 pm

I have downloaded all the Berserk chapters and read all the way to volume 29. I have seen people talking about how Griffith defeated Zodd in a dream battle and I definitely recall not seeing any such fight. I can only guess that the chapter was missing in my downloads. I would really appreciate if anyone could tell me where I can find that particular scene or chapter. Thank you.

Post by **Khelegond** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:07 pm

It's not exactly what it seems. Zodd is dreaming (don't remember how we see it), and in the dream a hawk passes by, cuting his left (?) horn.

When he awakes, he sees Griffith, and is without a horn.

Post by **Femto** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:09 pm

Krellius wrote:I have downloaded all the Berserk chapters and read all the way to volume 29. I have seen people talking about how Griffith defeated Zodd in a dream battle and I definitely recall not seeing any such fight. I can only guess that the chapter was missing in my downloads. I would really appreciate if anyone could tell me where I can find that particular scene or chapter. Thank you.

I'd like to congratulate you for not starting a new thread (not that you'd be able to immediately), for not bumping an extremely old thread, for making your post 100% readable and for being rather friendly in your request, even if posting it in one of the stickies here would've been a better idea.

That being said, I deleted all but the most recent manga chapters so I wouldn't know how to help you.

It's not some big event either, just an actual hawk that tears off Zodd's horn over a couple of pages. I'm pretty sure you have it, but you're probably thinking it's something bigger than it actually is.

I'm sure someone else can point you in the right direction/chapter.

Post by **Deathbringer** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:21 pm

If you downloaded the 03-29 file from the Hawks, they are missing a couple of chapters between, i took forever to realize that.

Post by **Krellius** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:50 pm

Thanks you for your help. I didn't want to threadjack and be off topic although I kind of am. I asked in this topic because my question was mentioned and was beingly lightly discussed. I did download the 3-29 volumes but I saw they were missing some chapters so I managed to find another full set on a torrent site. I'll just go reread and check to see if I have everything.

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