Berserk Chapter: 273

Post by **Deathbringer** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:29 am

Libaax wrote:Of course they cant take back thier power but thier must huge level diffrences in power. Kushan king is maybe a fool or he has found a way to fight God Hands.

Either one of those because so far he hasn´t done anything that could kill a God Hand.

Post by **Khelegond** » Mon May 08, 2006 1:12 pm

I think Gatts can take Zodd down now. And I mean it.

But now...I think Griffith, being in this world, doesn't have the same powers that Femto had in the interstice (is that the place?). Of course he's still almost limitless powerfull...

Post by **Gundam_Bobcat** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:31 pm

Khelegond wrote:I think Gatts can take Zodd down now. And I mean it.

But now...I think Griffith, being in this world, doesn't have the same powers that Femto had in the interstice (is that the place?). Of course he's still almost limitless powerfull...

I agree with that, there is no way that the God Hand's powers could the same in both interstice and in the real world. However if they are, then this is going to be an interesting fight when it does come.

Post by **Deathbringer** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:41 pm

Wow, reading Khelegond´s post, i realized that a duel betwen Guts and Zodd would be kick ass.

Post by **Gundam_Bobcat** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:29 pm

I don't think Skull Knight would ever let Guts fight Zodd again. To me it seems that Skull Knight has claimed him as his kill, and now I also am sure that Guts could kill Zodd in any form.

Post by **Libaax** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:46 pm

If Guts rely on the armour as he does now and i dont think he has a chance but if he brings out his best,he might take out Zodd.

Post by **Devil_Dante** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:49 pm

You guys underestimate ZODD!! He is Nosferatu ZODD!!! Guts would have a chance against him yes, a small one, but you guys act like guts would totally own Zodd.

If Guts could easily take down Zodd, than Femto shouldn't be too much of a problem either.

Post by **Khelegond** » Mon May 08, 2006 6:14 pm

Devil_Dante wrote:You guys underestimate ZODD!! He is Nosferatu ZODD!!! Guts would have a chance against him yes, a small one, but you guys act like guts would totally own Zodd.

If Guts could easily take down Zodd, than Femto shouldn't be too much of a problem either.

In no moment I said Gatts can take Zodd easily, and I still don't think that with such feat he'll be capable of taking down Griffith after. There's a huge gap between Zodd and Griffith.

Ok, let's review it:

- Long time ago, Gatts hurted Zodd. In human form, of course.
- Without the armor, Gatts made Zodd turn into the beast. You see, he didn't made the change just because he was hurt, but simply because the fight would be in the proper level.
- Gatts (without the help of Schierke, and without mastering the armor) gave Grumbeld (who's less powerfull than Zodd, but still QUITE powerfull) a run for his money. And I think Gatts would be able to take him down, AT THAT TIME!

I really think, if we see Gatts like the time with that Butterfly Apostle, that he can take Zodd. Of course, he'll be a pool of blood and meat, but a live one.

Post by **Gundam_Bobcat** » Mon May 08, 2006 6:29 pm

The only reason Zodd protects Femto is so nobody gets near him and have a chance to hurt him. So far we haven't seen Griffith/Femto fight, hes just been standing around.

Zodd is just acting like a bodyguard, and a damn good one at that.

Post by **Devil_Dante** » Mon May 08, 2006 6:34 pm

There is also a huge gap between the butterfly apostle and ZOD. But let's leave that way behind. Guts did hurt ZOD, yes he did. But ZOD was more like sparring with him while guts was merely trying to survive. And what if ZOD loses his arm, he could attach it back again like new. And the time with Grunbeld, Guts did allmost die. And I wouldn't say Guts has mastered the armour, not completely ... (yet?).

Post by **Starnum** » Mon May 08, 2006 8:45 pm

Whatever dude, Gatts could probably take Zodd now. Even if Zodd didn't try to kill him before when they fought on the hill of swords, for some reason, he hasn't fought him since he got the armor. Yes, Grunbeld did almost kill him, before he got the armor. That was the problem. If Gatts goes in fresh, with the armor, versus Zodd, my money is on Gatts.

Post by **Libaax** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:48 pm

I dont think Guts even need the armour to beat him.

I mean the last time they fought Guts was almost as strong as Zodd and that was a long time ago. He should be able to finish Zodd now,that is if Zodd wasnt taking it easy on him earlier.

Post by **Starnum** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:06 pm

Right there's no way to know really. Gatts appeared to be even with him, even with his apostle form, and then Griffith called Zodd off before they were able to finish it. I say Gatts could take him now. Unless he too has greatly improved. I mean, to even think that Zodd could beat Grunbeld or Locus, would mean he had. It'd probably be an amazing fight, but I'd still bet on Gatts.

Post by **Baz** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:37 pm

The one problem I see in this argument is that Zod appears evenly matched with skullknight and as we saw in the Qliphoth(Vol 26) he's one tuff motherfucker. I'll agree Guts has just shown his own badass moves in the harbour but even them don't quite equal SkullKinghts. Of course Guts and Schierke is a different matter then who knows.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:19 am

Thats totaly diffrent things Zodd fighting sk and Guts. He might have fought Sk for 100 times and know him.

I dont know how strong Sk is but we know Guts would prolly beat Zodd now.

Post by **Quest** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:19 am

might have to read it again.
i think zodd met SK first during the birth of femto.

Post by **FightClub** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:30 am

You all seem to be assuming that Zodd has maintained the same level of strength during all of the fights. There's really no way to predict how strong he'll be 1-10-100 days from now, or the next time Gutts and Zodd meet up. For all we know Zodd's found the holy graal of badassness and could summon ninja's out his butthole. But the point is futile, and it's best to find out when it happens, pretty pointless to turn this into another vs. thread, as I'm sure it's been done 241242424 times over. Just leave it like it is. Gutts is Gutts, and Zodd is Zodd. If they fight, they fight, and if not, whooptie doo.

Quest wrote:might have to read it again.
i think zodd met SK first during the birth of femto.

Zodd was standing guard outside the -- tornado thing, when Skull knight, and that kid arrived. While Gutts, and the hawks were inside. That answer the question (not sure.)

Post by **Libaax** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:46 am

Zodd have had prolly 1000 years to get strong he wont become suddenly stronger in days.

Him being a warrior,he must have reached his peak long ago,he doesnt seem the kind that would be content without becoming the best he can become.

Post by **Sandman** » Tue May 09, 2006 6:36 am

I dont have my manga with me

but I am pretty sure the eclipse is not the first time SK and Zodd met, but anyway SK seems to beat the shit out of Zodd every time, but he doesnt kill him. Anyway we will never see Guts out side of his armor again (too fight that is) so everyone better get use to it

Gundam_Bobcat wrote:
Khelegond wrote:I think Gatts can take Zodd down now. And I mean it.

But now...I think Griffith, being in this world, doesn't have the same powers that Femto had in the interstice (is that the place?). Of course he's still almost limitless powerfull...
I agree with that, there is no way that the God Hand's powers could the same in both interstice and in the real world. However if they are, then this is going to be an interesting fight when it does come.

Ok but that is what Griffith is there to do merge the worlds that is why all of the trolls and shit are coming out of the woodwork

So if Griffith completes the merger he will be supreme overlord of all... which cant happen because Guts will get to him before then

Post by **Khelegond** » Tue May 09, 2006 4:08 pm

Few points.

Everytime Zodd and SK fought, we end up seeing SK intact over his horse, and Zodd holding some of his limbs

So, saying that Gatts is on par with Zodd is not the same as saying that Gatts is the same as SK.
And Gatts can take Zodd. I (like I said before) think it'll be a very, VERY thought fight, the classic 3-chapters-span fight. So, Zodd it better than Gatts in the pure level.

So, SK > Zodd > Gatts. Gatts is still not on par with SK.

Now, Zodd has to fight better foes to increase in power, and that only seems to happen every now and then. Gatts, however, fight more powerfull foes constantly. So, Gatts is increasing in his fighting prowess in a higher rate. Meaning that even if Zodd has increased in power, Gatts has increased more.

And on a last comment, when SK finds Zodd guarding the eclipse, he says something like 'You're not supposed to enter here, old friend.". So, they DO know each other.

Post by **Quest** » Tue May 09, 2006 4:27 pm

Khelegond wrote: And on a last comment, when SK finds Zodd guarding the eclipse, he says something like 'You're not supposed to enter here, old friend.". So, they DO know each other.

ah thanks for sharing that.
=)
i dunno why i thought they never met prior to the eclipse.
both have lived so long its obvious they would have run into each other.

Post by **Devil_Dante** » Tue May 09, 2006 4:33 pm

It's easy to say that guts is stronger than ZODD. Once the mangaka puts guts and ZODD in a duel, you know Guts will win, since main characters always win. I just hope that doesn't happen.

Post by **TheDrizzit** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:00 pm

all this Zodd talk made an idea pop into my head. So Flora is to SK what Shierke is to Gatts...what is Zodd is to SK what Griffith is to Gats as well? Could their fates be parallel? Well....only...in the Twilight ZOne (cue theme)

Post by **Gundam_Bobcat** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:11 pm

I think the relationship between Zodd and Skull Knight is different. Guts is a product of Griffith's transformation. It has always seemed to me that Skull Knight was not a product of Zodd's transformation but that of another God Hand Void. The relationship between Zodd and Skull Knight, and Zodd and Guts, is very similar Zodd is the bodyguard to the God Hand, and Guts and Skull Knight want to destroy the God Hand.

Post by **Quest** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:15 pm

Gundam_Bobcat wrote:I think the relationship between Zodd and Skull Knight is different. Guts is a product of Griffith's transformation. It has always seemed to me that Skull Knight was not a product of Zodd's transformation but that of another God Hand Void. The relationship between Zodd and Skull Knight, and Zodd and Guts, is very similar Zodd is the bodyguard to the God Hand, and Guts and Skull Knight want to destroy the God Hand.

thats what i thought too.