::Naruto::

[Grahf]

100 chapters?? ha if we ever see it that is.

[Libaax]

I dont care about Sasuke vs Itachi but i wanna see Itachi someone that is he is equal not some lame boy who went to a guy that is afraid of Itachi to train.


He is trying very hard to make Sasuke look cool......

[Grahf]

Lib bias aside Sasuke has always been a better Nin than Naruto can hope to be. At this point he probably knows a shitload of freaky ninjutsus and what not. Plus the fact that he has a sharingan at his disposal. OO yeah another thing I'm sure he has some form of or will get some form of Itachi's sharingan (Mayakou Sharingan? *starnum feel free to correct*).

But really I don't see a one on one battle unless Sasuke turns on Oro. Then returns to the leaf.

[Libaax]

I didnt compare Sasuke to Narutp who we dont know how good he is now since he apparently only about kyubi these days.

Im just saying i wanna see Itachi vs someone that is at his level of skills.


If Sasuke in only three years catches up to Itachi it would be lame. Specialy since we have seen how strong Oro is and he is suppose to be nothing compared to Itachi.

I wanna see a fight like the the hogake fight, man that was awesome,so many high level jutsus.

[Grahf]

then again remember Itachi was hesitant towards Jiri and from what we have seen Jiri and Oro are about even.

[Libaax]

No we havent seen that Jiraya and Oro is even cause Jiraya havent fought anyone in this manga for real.

The sannin fight he was drugged, against Itachi Itachi fled before anything happened. Something tells me he woulndt flee from Oro.


Before i see Jiraya fight someone i cant say if they are equal he and Oro.

[Quest]

i believe orochimaru is better than jiraya.
he knows a lot of jitsu in his quest to "catch 'em all". his summoning jitsu is very strong. he could summon the old hokages.

jiraya's jitsu probably pack more punch and are more staightforward.

[Libaax]

Thats what you call a loose theory.


There is nothing that points to what you said about Jiraya.


Itachi seem to think highly of Jiraya, i dont think he would flee if he thought Jiraya's jutsus wasnt a problem.

[Quest]

yeah i agree i was grasping at straws there.
=)

anything is impossible.
maybe its kind of like "rock-scissors-paper".
jiraya beats itachi beats orochimaru beats jiraya.

[Deathbringer]

He lost to Orochimaru much the same way Naruto lost to Sasuke, right?

[Libaax]

Naruto really lost to Sasuke while Jiraya didnt even fight Oro in the sannin fight. He coulndt even move and didnt have a chance to fight cause Tsunade beat the crap of Oro.


Or did you mean in the flashback?

[Deathbringer]

Yeah, i was talking in the flashback since the situation is exactly the same, i´m not saying that Jiraya < Orochimaru because young Naruto < young Sasuke but at least at that time period Orochimaru had to be stronger then Jiraya since he was learning all these forbiden stuff in secrecy and he failed to bring back Orochi.

[Libaax]

Yeah he most likely lost to him or it he gave up trying to bring him back.

It doesnt matter since that 30+ years. I mean Naruto closed in on the skill gap beteween Sasuke in weeks, Jiraya might actually have real skill other than just Chakra stamina like Naruto.

[Grahf]

all intents and purposes they are equal. I don't want to hear excuses.

Its easy to fear what one doesn't know and I'm Sure itachi knows what Oro is about as opposed to Jiri.

Edit: if you want to bring up that Sanin fight Oro couldn't use his hands and he still got away 2 vs 1.

[N3oShweaty]

all intents and purposes they are equal. I don't want to hear excuses.

Its easy to fear what one doesn't know and I'm Sure itachi knows what Oro is about as opposed to Jiri.

Edit: if you want to bring up that Sanin fight Oro couldn't use his hands and he still got away 2 vs 1.

with kabuto's help and with a poisoned jiraiya, let's not forget that.

[Grahf]

Ok if you want to include Kubuto and all the other asshats there were around it was still

4 vs. 2

also Jiri almost died against the fourth tail and Oro held his ground against him. So in the end the argument could be that Oro is better.

edit: Also remember Oro was considered for the 4th hokage position along with at the time Jiri's student.

[Starnum]

(Mayakou Sharingan? *starnum feel free to correct*).

Heh, Mangekyo Sharingan.

Anyway, I'd guess Oro is a little stronger than Jiraiya, unfortunately.

Specialy since we have seen how strong Oro is and he is suppose to be nothing compared to Itachi.

Not sure why you think that, but Itachi would be hard pressed to get one over on Oro. Not that I'm saying he couldn't, but saying that Oro's nothing in comparison is a bit extreme.

[Libaax]

Grafh: Which is worse not being able to move or as Oro be able to attack with your tongue? Also Kabuto is way ahead of Naruto etc in skill leve at that time.

So he was a little help,we all saw what he did against Tsunade.



Also saying Jiraya almost died is a little over the top cause he was training Naruto and it will take more than that to kill Jiraya. It was actually Oro who almost died vs 4tails without Yamato Oro would have been in trouble.



Starnum:

Yeah i was a little extreme but its clear that Itachi is suppose to be stronger if Oro is going through all this "helping" Sasuke to gain on him.

[Grahf]

Also saying Jiraya almost died is a little over the top cause he was training Naruto and it will take more than that to kill Jiraya. It was actually Oro who almost died vs 4tails without Yamato Oro would have been in trouble.

Where the fuck did you get that from??? The body he was using started to reject him that had absolutely nothing to do with him almost dying against Naruto. Yamato actually saved Sakura check it again.

Only mindless fanboys ignore blatant facts and twist them to make their favorite character "Teh best". That statement was very close to being fanboyish.

Anyway I'd find it hard to believe that Itachi wouldn't feel the least bit uneasy with Sasuke learning for the "lesser" Oro. Though we have yet to see anything that would suggest as such so we have to continue under the assumption that Itachi could care less.

[Devil_Dante]

First of all, Jiraya almost died because he didn't had the intention to kill naruto, actually he was trying to save him, which is far more difficult than killing him. Orochimaru on the contrary has great healing/body ninjutsu and was merely playing with naruto untill at a certain point when it became dangerous.... So I wouldnt say Jiraya<Oro, they both have their own skills(must be).

[Albator]

So much attention to a crappy manga, you guys are really losing it, tsk tsk.

I wanted to ask this question: what make Sasuke gay: his design, his attitude, his goals, or his actions? I'm asking it because some people seems to be eager to convince others that Sasuke=ultimate gay (whatever that means). It this was true, I would say it his because of his attitude only, because rejecting girls like he does would be gay. It's certainly not the fact that he seeks power for revenge and he's willing to be a traitor for it, that's not gay it's evil or unmovable will, you choose.

Oro vs Jiraya, wonderful...The most recent fight they had (and that's the only thing you should look had if you're interested in it) was kind of a team fight and they both had handicaps, so it's hard to say. And comparing them to others standards (4tails, Itachi, etc...) whose real strength or techniques are more or less unknown is useless as well.

I just hope that shit is finally going to fly for good once they get in Oro's lair, but that doesn't allow any of the lovable 2ary characters to intervene. I don't really know what to wish for, more useless temporization or going down to business? It's like this manga could still be good but anything the author does systematically turn out ugly despite the potential. Sad.

[Grahf]

First of all, Jiraya almost died because he didn't had the intention to kill naruto, actually he was trying to save him, which is far more difficult than killing him. Orochimaru on the contrary has great healing/body ninjutsu and was merely playing with naruto untill at a certain point when it became dangerous.... So I wouldnt say Jiraya<Oro, they both have their own skills(must be).

hence my original statement that they were equal. But noooooooooooooooooooooo people must have a fit to a simple statement.

edit: next someone is going to say that Tsunade weak.

[Devil_Dante]

hence my original statement that they were equal. But noooooooooooooooooooooo people must have a fit to a simple statement.

edit: next someone is going to say that Tsunade weak.

I wasn't really contradicting your opinion, more like agreeing

[N3oShweaty]

i was just splitting hairs. I dont care about who is stronger because regardless jiraiya is my man. What i do care about is sasuke finally being back and finally being able to end this gay im gonna get sasuke back shit

[Deathbringer]

First of all, Jiraya almost died because he didn't had the intention to kill naruto, actually he was trying to save him, which is far more difficult than killing him. Orochimaru on the contrary has great healing/body ninjutsu and was merely playing with naruto untill at a certain point when it became dangerous.... So I wouldnt say Jiraya<Oro, they both have their own skills(must be).

Shit, that´s a good point.

It doesnt matter since that 30+ years. I mean Naruto closed in on the skill gap beteween Sasuke in weeks, Jiraya might actually have real skill other than just Chakra stamina like Naruto.

Yeah, although i was only refering to that period, i mean we never actually saw him fight for real right?
And 2 Akatsuki (whatever the group´s name is) ran from him as soon as he arrived.

By the way, that "fear effect" thing that Sasuke did to Sai, was that his Sharingan or it was his killing intent? (Like Orochi did with Sasuke and Sakura). It´hard to tell when it looks like a cover from a chinese menu.

edit: next someone is going to say that Tsunade weak.

You won´t believe the sheer amount of narutards that say that.