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Guts of course will gain control of the armour, unless there's a massive twist in the story line where Guts loses himself totally. But i would personally like to see it take time. I was disappointed to see that at the end suddenly he can control it after only having Schierke open his eyes, i mean before that he was having an extremely hard time with the armour.
I wouldn't mind if he travelled a similar path like S.K it would give us a greater understanding of what/how/why S.K is actually doing. But in doing this I'd want Guts to remain his good ole self, which is kinda contradictory and most likely wouldn't work
(sorry if my post was kinda irrelevant/useless, its getting late so im gonna go to sleep before i cause anymore damage.)
Sparks wrote:Guts of course will gain control of the armour, unless there's a massive twist in the story line where Guts loses himself totally. But i would personally like to see it take time. I was disappointed to see that at the end suddenly he can control it after only having Schierke open his eyes, i mean before that he was having an extremely hard time with the armour.
I wouldn't mind if he travelled a similar path like S.K it would give us a greater understanding of what/how/why S.K is actually doing. But in doing this I'd want Guts to remain his good ole self, which is kinda contradictory and most likely wouldn't work
(sorry if my post was kinda irrelevant/useless, its getting late so im gonna go to sleep before i cause anymore damage.)
Eldo wrote:Hm, just wanted to say, that even with Schierke being able to allow Guts to gain control of his armour, we don't know if there's some other factors, such as a time limit to his control of whatever. We know the process for Schierke to enter the armour is incredibly dangerous and probably could not utilise the process all the time. I think Miura wanted to show that the armour could be controlled, and I don't think he'll plan to let Guts control his armour properly in the future, even with Schierke's aid (she might refuse as the process is dangerous).
Anyway, I don't think the regenerative nature of the armour is a magical process like Puck's fairy dust. If I recall, the armour reinforces the bones by inserting its blades to penetrate the muscles. If Guts should remove his armour, his wounds would re-open. I'm not quite certain if the healing process is magical or not, I might be wrong.
I thought that was clear that it uses its blades to make him forget his wounds so he can fight on like he wasnt even wounded.
You cant call that healing when he almost bleeds to death everytime he removes the armour after a big fight.
Can someone remind me why he doesnr use Puck to heal him anymore?
He needed the pain to struggle his way up in the world as usuall?
If you look carefully when he first dons the armour, you could see his bone being broken, and the blades forced his broken bones to connect again. This is all from recollection, I may be wrong.
Guts wounds reopens quicker than Puck could heal it. Remember when Puck and Ivarella are healing his wounds at the beach?
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
Yeah i rememer the armour do that but when he removes the armour the healing doesnt work anymore which makes him reopen his wounds and lay in bed for weeks.
Sometimes i think the armour is making him weaker in his head.
I mean he gets more hurt now that its easy for him to go beserk in the armour.
Anyway i hope he dumps it soon, i want the his old look and fight style back.
Also Guts didnt seem to me being a guy that took the easy way of out when he tries to be stronger and the armour is the easy way.
Easy? He still wants to fight a demigod who previously could simply stop his attack in mid air by thought alone. With or without berserker armour, it's nevery the easy way out.
Well i wasnt talking about him killing Femto but getting stronger he always used the hard of training with something. I dont think forgetting the pain will make him stronger it will only make him be in bed longer from the wounds he gets cause of the armour.
Not even this armour can get him near Femto, so im talking a totaly diffrent matter, a much more immediate.
well, without the armour he would have already been dead a few times, so I still don't think it's the easy way.
Naturally, I still would also like to see his old fighting style again, but with the calibre of opponents lately that's not likely to happen. And hey, if we want to see him fight the old way, nothing stops us from rereading .
The armour hasnt made him stronger or everything it just keeps the pain away while he fights. The opponents he will fight will hurt him alot armour or no armour.
I just dont see the point of the armour anymore.
At first it was a cool look. But now its pointless, i mean making him go past the pain of his injuries he doesnt need an armour for. Also we know it dont heal his wounds cause they reopen as soon as he takes it off.
Well, actually, the armour does make him stronger, and his speed rises substanicially as well. Phrasing out the pain is just one of the armour's features, as wearing the armour with the enhancements pushes the wearer beyond human limits and way above the physical boundaries.
But still, it's a lose-lose situation for Guts, as he can't physically maintain the stress caused upon by the armour. There has to be some other solutions for future combats besides the Berserker Armour, as Skull Knight has.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
He has to do something really special while in the armour to prove that it has improved him enough. I mean so far he hasnt done anything that he woulndt do without the armour.
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He did lift the mast and dodge the tornados...to be honest, I can't be quite sure that he could have done that without the armour. Despite the more favourable attributes of the armour, it's not much use if he's not going to survive wearing it.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
remember the fight with the dragon apostle.
guts was beaten up and down like a rag doll before he got the armour.
it definately enhanced his strength and durability. it also set straight broken/twisted limbs.
of course after that, like after every artificial high, he got a terrible hangover.
Eldo wrote:He did lift the mast and dodge the tornados...to be honest, I can't be quite sure that he could have done that without the armour. Despite the more favourable attributes of the armour, it's not much use if he's not going to survive wearing it.
Guts is monsterous strong so even without the armour he would done that.
I just hope he doesnt use the armour for much longer.
That we have to get through many chaps with him being in bed like when they came to the city and they fights being as they are now, it could make the manga predictable.
Guts was always strong but the armor makes him much, much stronger (physically I mean). By removing the pain, the armor causes him to release his body's inhibitors on his strength. A human can normally only use about 20% of their bodies strength, to keep from injuring themself. The armor removes that limit, so while wearing it (activated) Guts's muscles are about five times more powerful. As for an "easy way out" given how hard it is to remain sane while fighting in it, it doesn't seem easy to me. In a way, throwing it away without learning to master it seems easier to me then struggling with it for his mind until he masters it. Sorry, I hope he keeps the armor.
@ quest: Yes, the berserker armor did saved him, but dont forget that he got pretty f**ked up by Slan (is the naming right?).
@libbax: Ur making me think that Guts is a superman lol
And about the muscles and 20% thing. We can surpass the 20% easily with the help of adrenaline, thats y sometimes people can lift a car when he sees someone under it (ok, maybe i exagerated it a bit).
obviously, slan is way more powerful than mere guts.
she is a godhand. is there really any mortal or armour that can best her?
the point is that the armour makes a difference in increasing gut's strength but still not enough for him to equal the godhand.
its a level-up but only just enough for him to beat stronger apostles.
I heard somewhere that the armor basically sets him at the maximum for his abilities. And I believe with his declining condition, physicially, that he is gradually getting weaker and weaker. I too would like to see him drop the armor unless he needs it, see him train up back to fit condition, and see where the armor takes him then.
The way I see it, without the armour, Guts doesn't stand a chance against an army of apostles, or even with the God Hand as well. The armour just makes sure the percentage of Guts able to defeat a member of a God Hand isn't zero.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
Eldo wrote:The way I see it, without the armour, Guts doesn't stand a chance against an army of apostles, or even with the God Hand as well. The armour just makes sure the percentage of Guts able to defeat a member of a God Hand isn't zero.
The way I see it, without the armour, Guts doesn't stand a chance against an army of apostles, or even with the God Hand as well. The armour just makes sure the percentage of Guts able to defeat a member of a God Hand isn't zero.
I agree with you on the apostles, but personally I expect it will take more then just the armor to give him a chance against a God's Hand. But the armor is definately a step in the right direction.
And about the muscles and 20% thing. We can surpass the 20% easily with the help of adrenaline, thats y sometimes people can lift a car when he sees someone under it (ok, maybe i exagerated it a bit).
True, but people can only release that power briefly and under extreme conditions. The armor (when activated) let's Gutts use 100% of his power all the time. That's why it increases his combat ability so much.
Stop blowing the percentages out of your asses people 20% this 100% that... all I know is that you guys are showing that people use 10% or less of there brains
Guts can now defend, think, talk, use his incedible sense of survival in battles and some of you want him to throw away his armour, thats sad. This is the tool that he will use to cut down anyone in his path. Plus we dont even know what the draw backs of being semi-berserk is... does the armour not use its patch work healing qualities, does it still suck him dry, will it still steal his life... we dont know so sit still at your computer screen and see what happens next.
PS If Guts didnt like/want/need the armour I think he would have decided to throw it way long time ago... after the first time he almost died most likely
Someone has taken most of your brain away and you probably didn't even know it. Well, not taken your brain away, exactly, but decided that you don't use it. It's the old myth heard time and again about how people use only ten percent of their brains. While for the people who repeat that myth, it's probably true, the rest of us happily use all of our brains.
and the best part *grin*
The most powerful lure of the myth is probably the idea that we might develop psychic abilities, or at least gain a leg up on the competition by improving our memory or concentration. All this is available for the asking, the ads say, if we just tapped into our most incredible of organs, the brain. It is past time to put this myth to rest, although if it has survived at least a century so far, it will surely live on into the new millennium. Perhaps the best way to combat this chestnut is to reply to the speaker, when the myth is mentioned, "Oh? What part don't you use?"
So, before going on a rant, do your research please.
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