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I think the reason Slan wants Guts so much, is because he was able to endure so much and never cry out "I want to live" like the rest of the sissy apostles have. Guts has shown he will not beg for his life, he will do everything he can to keep it, but he will not lower himself to begging.
SK truly hasn`t shown a motive for his actions other than to continuously try to strike Void down, everything he has started to set up has that as the ultimate goal in mind. Which makes me belive that the relationship between SK and Void might be just like the one Griffith shares with Guts.
PD: Maybe SK didn't avoid Griffiths attack completely and is now injured.
PD: Maybe SK didn't avoid Griffiths attack completely and is now injured.
What makes you think that? If there was any indication that he was injured, I completely missed it, so I'd be interested in what you saw. Regardless, though, given the amount of time that has passed, one would presume that any injury would have healed by now.
Also, it is generally beleaved that SK was the ancient king Gaiseric, and that Void sacrificed him to become a God's Hand.
I think the reason Slan wants Guts so much, is because he was able to endure so much and never cry out "I want to live" like the rest of the sissy apostles have. Guts has shown he will not beg for his life, he will do everything he can to keep it, but he will not lower himself to begging.
Also Guts did have the Behelit on him at the time when she appeared in front of him. Anyways who wouldn't want their most feared enemy to become one of them, if Guts joined their side, the world would be theirs.
I don't think the God's Hand actually fear him. They have stated that they find him no threat at all. I think she is just interested in him because of the way he is a "struggler". She seems to find his battles, and the way he keeps fighting, fascinating. But none of the God's Hand seem to view him as an actual threat as of yet.
yeah, gutts is not a real threat to the godhand. i think they view him more as a fascinating object.
after all, gutt is a mere mortal. and that is what makes his character so compelling.
Almost certainly, since it would be very odd if Guts doesn't eventually defeat/destroy them. Still, in their defense, Guts really hasn't given them any significant reason to fear him as of yet. He's impressive, certainly, but not yet in their league.
i find it hard to believe that guts can and will kick the godhand asses on his own.
the day he becomes that single-handedly powerful is the day berserk becomes boring.
once he loses his 'struggler' status and becomes on par with gods, is it really worth reading further?
I think it would also depend on how he killed them. Being able to kill them, under the right circumstances, and possibly with the help of allies, does not necessarily mean he has become as powerful as they are. There are plenty of scenarios that would leave him victorious but not require him to equal them. So while I agree it would be silly/boring if he ever reached their level, I don't think he necessarily has to be their equal to be their killer.
Istvan wrote:Almost certainly, since it would be very odd if Guts doesn't eventually defeat/destroy them. Still, in their defense, Guts really hasn't given them any significant reason to fear him as of yet. He's impressive, certainly, but not yet in their league.
I'd laugh my ass off if Gutts just 'dies' in a volume and it ends there. I mean yeah it'd suck, but it'd certainly show who was really in control of the manga.
I have this theory.... Follow me if you will into my little madness:
For this theory lats take into account the previously stated theory of godhand and their link to the Idea of Evil who itself seems connected to the psyche of human kind. Also it has been proposed that "killing" a godhand will not ensure that his consciousness will disappear from the maelstrom, or he migth be replaced with another host who would take the place of the "dead" godhand.
Now considering this, it would seem that each godhand is an embodiment of a certain emotion and or pain within the human soul. Since the godhand themselves are not regulated by any authority save their own they take this power to further influence humanity to feal the emotions that give them their powers and cause decencion and chaos.
Since they appear to be proponents for chaos eternally cause pain and misery into humanity to cause a cycle wich inevitably benefits them and their servants. Wouldn't it be logical to assume that chaos would essentially implode upon itself thus creating balance?
But now in here lies the question what can possibly comme to match such raw power? How does one resist temptation? How does one resist longing? Despair? etc. the anwser: Force of will
The only two personalitys that match this are: Guts and skullnigth what could happen is that such beings would eventually reach a state of equal footing with the godhand..never dying... always remerging to "kill" and or challenge the godhands hold over the maelstrom.
So what i propose is that Guts and or Skullnigth could very well end up in an eternal struggle with their enemys becoming a sort of balance and thus freeing humanity from the grip of the Godhand.
Istvan wrote:There are plenty of scenarios that would leave him victorious but not require him to equal them. So while I agree it would be silly/boring if he ever reached their level, I don't think he necessarily has to be their equal to be their killer.
I agree. Even before the Berserker Armour came into the picture, Guts has always faced impossible odds against the countless apostles he's slain, and he is not even equal to them in power. He defeats them using strategy, with his determination, willpower to fight against them despite the odds, and the apostle's arrogance and underestimation of Guts contribute to their downfall.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
Messatsu wrote:
So what i propose is that Guts and or Skullnigth could very well end up in an eternal struggle with their enemys becoming a sort of balance and thus freeing humanity from the grip of the Godhand.
i kinda agree with your "balance of the force" theory.
that would also mean the manga will never end.
or have an open end.
The problem with the "balance of forces" theory is that it requires Guts and SK to be the equal of your "chaos" forces, which they clearly aren't in either number or power. Thus, no balance emerges.
Thats only considering their current state of power..... and its speculation into posible future or ending for the series, so we cant be sure what wil happen between here and now what powers or abilitys they migth gain. Well those where my two cents, some one else take the stage....i gota go to the bathroom.
But Guts fight against seemingly overwhelming odds is part of what makes Berserk great. I for one would be highly disapointed if SK and Guts were ever true equals to the God's Hand.
Istvan wrote:But Guts fight against seemingly overwhelming odds is part of what makes Berserk great. I for one would be highly disapointed if SK and Guts were ever true equals to the God's Hand.
Agreed. That would make it some bullshit typical shounen. Berserk is far beyond that.
What's great about Guts is that his determination to defeat his opponent overwrites and rises his threshold for pain. Guts has faced impossible odds all the time, and he still manages to surprise them with a trick up his sleeve or two. I would like to see some of his cannon action though, I miss that. That was his trump card in most battles.
I don't think half the toilet seats in the world are as clean as I should like; and only half of those are half as clean as they deserve. - tsubaimomo, July 26, 2010 3:00 am
While we all hope that guts eventually takes out the godhand, I kinda am starting to lean for a more less traditional ending. Since this manga is special, it deserves something different. Personally, I liked someone else's proposed ending in a thread a while back. This ending was that somehow Guts arrives at some sort of revelation (like getting knocked in the head or something) and wakes up to realize that his arm is still stuck in Borkov's (spelling?) mouth and sees Griffith raping Casca from the Eclipse and realizes that it all that time after the Eclipse was an illusion. This is similar to that short story of Owl Creek (don't remember exact title). Either way I hope something less satisfactory happens than killing Godhand.
So, then everything that's happened since the eclipse would be just a dream? To me that would seem like a total cop out on the part of the author. While I don't expect (or want) a traditional ending to the series, I hope Miura comes up with something better then that.
