::Naruto::

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:37 am

Yeah it was pretty good. Seeing Naruto becoming more crazier with kyubi and that there is downfall with kyubi,that its chakra is killing him is a good thing.

Post by **N3oShweaty** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:51 am

but then that means it is the exact same thing as the cursed seal. Does naruto have to be that in love with sasuke? does he have to be the exact same shit as him? Im tired if this sasuke crap. HE LEFT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO LEAVE. How many times has naruto been told this? Orochimaru said this, Kabuto said this, the four guys with the cursed seal said this and sasuke said this himself. How much more evidence does naruto need? move on kishimoto !

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:03 am

The curse seal gave Sasuke more power that he couldnt tap in before he became alot stronger but Kyubi is a demon that gives Naruto more powerful chakra that anything in the world of Naruto.

Yeah i agree about Sasuke its beyond lame lets move on.

Post by **N3oShweaty** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:21 am

Libaax wrote:The curse seal gave Sasuke more power that he couldnt tap in before he became alot stronger but Kyubi is a demon that gives Naruto more powerful chakra that anything in the world of Naruto.

Yeah i agree about Sasuke its beyond lame lets move on.

? they both tap into power that they couldnt get before and they both hurt their users. I know that one is a seal and one is a demon but they are the same shit. Let's not mince words

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:31 am

Oh you meant that i thought you meant power wise.

Kishimoto is a noob when its about writing a good plot. He should never have given Sasuke curse seal.

Post by **Starnum** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:34 am

I dislike Sasuke as well, but I don't think Naruto cares whether he left willingly or not. His plan is to bring him back to his senses. Although, I'd as soon just kill him. Man, the Kyubi power is insane though. To think he nearly killed Jiraiya, that's damn impressive.

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:46 pm

Thats impressive but its also stupid by Naruto to bring it out everytime before he even tries his normal skills since using kyubi chakra is slowly killing him.

Post by **N3oShweaty** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:56 pm

Starnum wrote:I dislike Sasuke as well, but I don't think Naruto cares whether he left willingly or not. His plan is to bring him back to his senses. Although, I'd as soon just kill him. Man, the Kyubi power is insane though. To think he nearly killed Jiraiya, that's damn impressive.

I dont get it. Naruto got the message straight from the fucking source. Sasuke fuckin stayed of his own free will and left of his own free will. I dont think he nearly killed jiraiya (at least i hope not, cause he is the man) but he definitely got fucked up. All i want is for the series to move away from this sasuke crap. It old fast and kishimoto doesnt realize it or doesnt care

Post by **Grahf** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:53 am

One thing is for sure Oro doesn't make it out of this arc. Plus hopefully we could see Sas vs. Itachi soon.

Post by **Starnum** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:10 am

N3oShweaty wrote:I dont get it. Naruto got the message straight from the fucking source. Sasuke fuckin stayed of his own free will and left of his own free will. I dont think he nearly killed jiraiya (at least i hope not, cause he is the man) but he definitely got fucked up. All i want is for the series to move away from this sasuke crap. It old fast and kishimoto doesnt realize it or doesnt care

It's not that hard to understand. If you had a good friend, and he was going to do something really stupid, like try to kill himself, wouldn't you try to stop him? Just because your friend told you he didn't want to be here anymore, you can't just standby and let him throw his life away. That's the position Naruto has taken anyway. As for the direction the series is headed, you have to understand that not everyone feels the same way as you. Truthfully, I'd be rather pissed if they just suddenly abandoned Sasuke, especially after all the effort that's been made thus far. You also have to realize, it would be extremely dangerous to let Orochimaru get his hands on the Sharingan. Oh, and yes, when Naruto had released four Kyubi tails, he did almost kill Jiraiya. He said so himself, and I don't think Jiraiya would say such things lightly.

Post by **Libaax** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:12 am

I would guess that he almost killed Jiraya cause Jiraya didnt expect him to snap like that and that he doesnt want to hurt his pupil.

Post by **Starnum** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:17 am

Well yeah, that and the power of Kyubi is immense. Oh, and when you're fighting someone like Orochimaru, there's no reason to fuck around with other techniques. You may as well break out the big guns, right?

Post by **Libaax** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:22 am

Im not talking about not using it against Oro but the small fish like Kabuto and co. I mean he has used kyubi against everyone like for example Diedara who he could take even without kyubi.

Post by **Grahf** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:47 pm

its a waste of time because Naruto isn't a good ninja and Ithink someone made a post about that earlier. He isn't good with hand Seals nor is he smart. He just uses the Kyubi to his advantage/disadvantage.

I wouldn't be surprised if he sacrifices his life to save the village at the end of the series releasing all 9 tails.

Post by **Libaax** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:06 pm

He is more than decent after he came back,he even suprised Kakashi with the bunshins when they sparred.

Post by **Grahf** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:21 pm

Libaax wrote:He is more than decent after he came back,he even suprised Kakashi with the bunshins when they sparred.

Well there was still an obivious gap between him and Shikamaru still, Chioji even looked to have advanced somewhat. Its the little things that Naruto can't do that disappoints me most but what do I care?? I just want to see a trainwreck.

j/k

Post by **Albator** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:18 pm

Naruto at least has a knack to outsmart opponents using his clones. I mean what stop others to do it, all the high rank ninja have some kind of clones but they don't seem to use it as efficiently as Naruto (except Kakashi so far, maybe).
Now if you ask me, Naruto has the Kyuubi, fine, easy source of power. But what difference is there with peoples that have a bloodline? Look at Lee and Neiji, give Neiji's eyes to Lee, and come back to talk about unfairness. Bloodlines are unfair too but nobody bitch about it.
Even more now Kyuubi chakra is killing him, it might actually be the only way for the beast to to be free again, which would explain why he would land his chakra so obediently.

Post by **Grahf** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:27 pm

Albator wrote:Naruto at least has a knack to outsmart opponents using his clones. I mean what stop others to do it, all the high rank ninja have some kind of clones but they don't seem to use it as efficiently as Naruto (except Kakashi so far, maybe)..

No offense but think before you speak. Think of a FPS you have 19 kills and 15 of them are head shots thats efficient. Naruto is no where near efficient. Just look at his fight with Neji as proof. Most people compare Naruto to normal Ninjas not thinking that he has a high amount of Chakara so that leads to them being fooled by his clones. Neji thought of Naruto has just being a normal guy and that he had no more power to fight but little did he know that he just has more than enough.

Think of Naruto as using "accuracy by volume" (I'll fire a shitload of bullets and some will hit you).

Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:30 pm

I don't know man. At one point Kyuubi said himself if Naruto dies so does he. I don't see the reason why he would give him power like that if he can't stand it.

Post by **Albator** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:47 pm

I don't know man. At one point Kyuubi said himself if Naruto dies so does he. I don't see the reason why he would give him power like that if he can't stand it.

Well maybe that is if he's killed by an opponent or old age, but what if he's killed by the Kyuubi himself? Kishimoto is not necessarily the king of consistency so...
I see what you're saying Grahf, but is it really important to be efficient if you get the job done? From a ninja point of view (well real ninjas get the job done in others fashion like in Basilisk!) Naruto is at efficient as it gets. I don't really understand what you want Naruto to do here. He is the receptacle of the Kyuubi after all, so he's a chakra powerhouse, so he use this at his advantage. And there's numerous times when he used his clones+Rasengan without tapping into the fox's chakra.
Would you say that Neiji's or Gaara's defense are efficient?

Post by **N3oShweaty** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:22 pm

Starnum wrote:
N3oShweaty wrote:I dont get it. Naruto got the message straight from the fucking source. Sasuke fuckin stayed of his own free will and left of his own free will. I dont think he nearly killed jiraiya (at least i hope not, cause he is the man) but he definitely got fucked up. All i want is for the series to move away from this sasuke crap. It old fast and kishimoto doesnt realize it or doesnt care
It's not that hard to understand. If you had a good friend, and he was going to do something really stupid, like try to kill himself, wouldn't you try to stop him? Just because your friend told you he didn't want to be here anymore, you can't just standby and let him throw his life away. That's the position Naruto has taken anyway. As for the direction the series is headed, you have to understand that not everyone feels the same way as you. Truthfully, I'd be rather pissed if they just suddenly abandoned Sasuke, especially after all the effort that's been made thus far. You also have to realize, it would be extremely dangerous to let Orochimaru get his hands on the Sharingan. Oh, and yes, when Naruto had released four Kyubi tails, he did almost kill Jiraiya. He said so himself, and I don't think Jiraiya would say such things lightly.

I didnt mean i dont understand but i dont understand why his dumb ass cant get it. They fought nearly to the death about that three years earlier. I understand that other people have different opinions than i do because that is just the nature of human beings and i am just voicing mine. I realized soon after that what i said about Jiraiya was stupid. Yeah, i would be pissed if he did abandon this whole sasuke thing now because it would show his inability to tell a coherent story but i just dont like the fact that he chose to make naruto such a one minded character. That is what makes naruto naruto but it gets old after a while

Post by **Grahf** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:13 pm

Albator wrote:
I don't know man. At one point Kyuubi said himself if Naruto dies so does he. I don't see the reason why he would give him power like that if he can't stand it.
Well maybe that is if he's killed by an opponent or old age, but what if he's killed by the Kyuubi himself? Kishimoto is not necessarily the king of consistency so...
I see what you're saying Grahf, but is it really important to be efficient if you get the job done? From a ninja point of view (well real ninjas get the job done in others fashion like in Basilisk!) Naruto is at efficient as it gets. I don't really understand what you want Naruto to do here. He is the receptacle of the Kyuubi after all, so he's a chakra powerhouse, so he use this at his advantage. And there's numerous times when he used his clones+Rasengan without tapping into the fox's chakra.
Would you say that Neiji's or Gaara's defense are efficient?

again you seem to misuse the word. Efficiency is about the HOW PART. How is it done? Are we going to blow everything up to get to one guy or are we just going to poison his food? One just gets the job done and the other gets it done efficiently.

Post by **Libaax** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:32 am

Kyubi cant kill Naruto cause then Kyubi is history. Why would he give a punk like naruto so much power and then kill himself.

I wonder what kyubi will do about Naruto since him getting more kyubi chakra means he is slowly dieying and thats not what Kyubi wants. Maybe he will stop giving him more power soon.

Post by **Starnum** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:05 am

I don't know Grahf, Naruto has always been pretty effective with his Bunshin. He grew up as a trickster, and it's come out in his ninjutsu. There have been many times when he's tricked one of the bad guys with his bunshin. Shit, remember when he used Henge to appear as a Kage Bunsha, and then Sasuke threw him, so he could get past Zabuza to free Kakashi. You can't say shit like that isn't efficient. Yeah, there's no denying that Naruto has an excessive amount of chakra, and that's his greatest access, or even that he's not that great at some of the other types of Ninjutsu. However, he's become a lot more skilled since training with Jiraiya. I don't think he could train for 3 years with one of the legendary Sannin and not get better. Even when he's just using Bunshin for a straight fight, he's become more effecient. He used to use a massive horde of them, but now he's only using like 3 or 4, and I think that's awesome. I just don't think you're giving him enough credit. *shrugs*

Post by **Libaax** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:09 am

Grahf has a point until Naruto starts showing his improved skills.