Myspace Suicide note

[Femto]

Well, you're not supposed to.

Exactly.

Non-hardcore religous people are such hypocrites.

Hardcore ones are just plain stupid.

[DarkenRahlX]

Yeah, I have been talking alot of crap. There are some people who go through some real bad problems that can't handle them. But teenage suicides are almost always over trivial things. It just burns me up when someone who has so much life left decides to snuff it out. It's not right to pass judgement on others though.

[Femto]

Everyone get's depressed and goes through stupid crap...that kid didn't go through shit. He was just a spoiled brat that was crazy attention whore. Seriously if people in 3rd world countries, or soldiers who go through war and see death and suffering all around them can live with their shit so can suicidal teenagers.

Seriously, I grew up in a blue collared hick town where no girl would give me a chance due to my skin color and "different ways" and only having friends near the end of high school. Mom made less than 15k a year raising 2 kids. My mom is mean as hell too. There really isn't a reason for killing yourself unless it's an indirect consequence of saving other people or protecting your country/faith.

Weak wills and weak minds deserve no sympathy.

Suicide is the only unforgiveable sin.

First off, I'm not talking about this kid in particular. The signs point to him really being an idiot if he killed himself over a girl and nothing else, but that's besides the point.

So you experienced racism, your mother beat you up, no friends or girlfriends for the bigger part of high school, little money, etc, etc, etc. You think you living through all that is some great achievement? Give me a break. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the world goes through that and more. I went through some of that stuff myself and I could add even more to that list. I'm sure other members have similar experiences as well. Most of the people in the world are brought up under these circumstances, but others really have absolutely nothing left in their lives.

You wrote a nice post, if you want it to be part of a girl novel or something.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold any water in the real world.

[DarkenRahlX]

Yeah, I have been talking alot of crap. There are some people who go through some real bad problems that can't handle them. But teenage suicides are almost always over trivial things. It just burns me up when someone who has so much life left decides to snuff it out. It's not right to pass judgement on others. Though the good book does say suicide is impossible to be forgiven for. But yeah I need to watch my words, because this could back fire on me one day.

Seriously if people in 3rd world countries, or soldiers who go through war and see death and suffering all around them can live with their shit so can suicidal teenagers.

So you experienced racism, your mother beat you up, no friends or girlfriends for the bigger part of high school, little money, etc, etc, etc. You think you living through all that is some great achievement? Give me a break. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the world goes through that and more. I went through some of that stuff myself and I could add even more to that list. I'm sure other members have similar experiences as well. Most of the people in the world are brought up under these circumstances, but others really have absolutely nothing left in their lives.

I guess to answer your question, no I don't. I'm not conceited like that. I was just saying I bet that he hasn't gone through near as many hardships as me or other people on this board like you said. But I'm with you 100% when you say that people have it way worse than us.

[Starnum]

Non-hardcore religous people are such hypocrites.

Well, I guess I'm a non-hardcore religious person, but I'm not a hypocrite, because I leave all the judgement for God.

[Femto]

Darken: The bottom line is, it's your life and you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Sure, you might bring great amounts of pain and suffering to family members and whatnot, but it's your choice to be a selfish prick. I agree, the majority, if not all, teenage suicides are probably unfounded, but it's not right to put everyone on the 'weak and stupid' bandwagon just because of that.

Starnum: If you're going to pick and choose between what you're supposed to do and not supposed to do, why even bother following the bible at all?

'I'll give you free will, but you can't do any of this shit or you'll go to hell!'

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[Starnum]

Who said anything about picking and choosing? A sin is a sin.

[Femto]

Who said anything about picking and choosing? A sin is a sin.

But you've had pre-marital relationships, right?

What's the point if you'll be following some things and not others?

[DarkenRahlX]

Femto is owning everyone today.

[Femto]

Femto is owning everyone today.

It's called procrastination.

It can do wonders.

[DarkenRahlX]

You got finals don't you? I'm procrastinating too. -_-

[Starnum]

Femto is owning everyone today.

Not...really. What, you think I didn't know he was going to go there.

Oh sure, I've had premarital sex. I never said I haven't sinned. I try not to, but no one is perfect. Though, that particular sin isn't really an issue now days, since I'm married.

Please, Femto is ten years to early to ever own me.

[Femto]

Not...really. What, you think I didn't know he was going to go there.

Oh sure, I've had premarital sex. I never said I haven't sinned. I try not to, but no one is perfect. Though, that particular sin isn't really an issue now days, since I'm married.

Please, Femto is ten years to early to ever own me.

You still haven't answered my question.

Why bother following the rules if, by all accounts and purposes, you'll be going to hell anyway?

Oh wait, it's because god has the last word, right?

What's the point of not comitting sin then, if it doesn't really matter what you do or don't do, because god has the last word?

What about free will?

PS: If you had said a year I might've stopped.

[DarkenRahlX]

I guess what is being said is that by a person saying they are not religiously hypocritical and saying that passing judgement is wrong, but in turn commits minor/major sins, is still being a hypocrite.

[Starnum]

Why bother following the rules if, by all accounts and purposes, you'll be going to hell anyway?

Well, from what I understand, you'll only be damned (no one goes to hell, as that's an abyss in which Satan is imprisoned) if you refuse to accept God and Christ into your heart. Obviously that requires a genuine commit.

Oh wait, it's because god has the last word, right?

That's correct.

What's the point of not comitting sin then, if it doesn't really matter what you do or don't do, because god has the last word?

That's just silly, of course it matters. You're not supposed to sin, but if you do, then you need to repent. Repenting doesn't really count for much, if you're not sincere. You can't just fake it.

What about free will?

What about it? God granted it to us because he's a just and loving God.

PS: If you had said a year I might've stopped.

Well, whether you stop or not doesn't matter to me. I'm not much of one to rant or preach on religion, but if you have sincere questions, I'll do my best to answer them. Besides, that last bit was just a joke. That's a phrase they use in Japan, but they normally exaggerate and say 100 years...I thought that'd be a bit much.

I guess what is being said is that by a person saying they are not religiously hypocritical and saying that passing judgement is wrong, but in turn commits minor/major sins, is still being a hypocrite.

Not really.

hy·poc·ri·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness

So, for all intents and purposes, as long as you believe what you say, then you're not a hypocrite. I mean, unless you go around speaking badly of someone for committing the same sins as yourself, then I don't think you'd be a hypocrite. Believing something is a sin, and then committing it, doesn't make you a hypocrite, unless you don't really believe it's wrong...it just makes you weak willed.

[Eldo]

Uhh...atheist for teh win.

[Femto]

All of my previous questions were tied to each other, answering them separetely ruins their purpose.

If you chose what sins to commit and what sins not to then you are a hypocrite because you refuse to accept religion in its entirety and shut the door on the stuff that'd make your life more complicated or less enjoyable, plain and simple. If you disobey god's will to your own discretion, then what's the point of following any of his rules at all? Why even follow any of them if you can get away with anything if you repent enough? Again, what's the purpose of free will if you are allowed to exercise it?

Every religion is so fucking broken.

I can't believe people still follow any of that shit.

[Rosiel]

All of my previous questions were tied to each other, answering them separetely ruins their purpose.

If you chose what sins to commit and what sins not to then you are a hypocrite because you refuse to accept religion in its entirety and shut the door on the stuff that'd make your life more complicated or less enjoyable, plain and simple. If you disobey god's will to your own discretion, then what's the point of following any of his rules at all? Why even follow any of them if you can get away with anything if you repent enough? Again, what's the purpose of free will if you are allowed to exercise it?

Every religion is so fucking broken.

I can't believe people still follow any of that shit.

Quoted for truth.

[LordMune]

Uhh...atheist for teh win.

All of my previous questions were tied to each other, answering them separetely ruins their purpose.

If you chose what sins to commit and what sins not to then you are a hypocrite because you refuse to accept religion in its entirety and shut the door on the stuff that'd make your life more complicated or less enjoyable, plain and simple. If you disobey god's will to your own discretion, then what's the point of following any of his rules at all? Why even follow any of them if you can get away with anything if you repent enough? Again, what's the purpose of free will if you are allowed to exercise it?

Every religion is so fucking broken.

I can't believe people still follow any of that shit.

Quoted for truth.

[Loeviz]

All of my previous questions were tied to each other, answering them separetely ruins their purpose.

If you chose what sins to commit and what sins not to then you are a hypocrite because you refuse to accept religion in its entirety and shut the door on the stuff that'd make your life more complicated or less enjoyable, plain and simple. If you disobey god's will to your own discretion, then what's the point of following any of his rules at all? Why even follow any of them if you can get away with anything if you repent enough? Again, what's the purpose of free will if you are allowed to exercise it?

Every religion is so fucking broken.

I can't believe people still follow any of that shit.

I agree.
But what´s even sadder is that people are following so called "religions" like the "Church off Scientology".
I mean how demented isn't the whole idea that L. Ron Hubbard came up with? Not to mention that I read that he was a pedophile for that matter.
Ok Tom Cruise don´t seem to have all horses in his stable any longer so i´m not to surprised that he´s in those ranks but not everyone can be as wacko as him, can they?

[RedEyes]

All of my previous questions were tied to each other, answering them separetely ruins their purpose.

If you chose what sins to commit and what sins not to then you are a hypocrite because you refuse to accept religion in its entirety and shut the door on the stuff that'd make your life more complicated or less enjoyable, plain and simple. If you disobey god's will to your own discretion, then what's the point of following any of his rules at all? Why even follow any of them if you can get away with anything if you repent enough? Again, what's the purpose of free will if you are allowed to exercise it?

Every religion is so fucking broken.

I can't believe people still follow any of that shit.

Although I am an atheist, I am not that unhappy that people follow religions. The major religions tend to mold/direct their followers to the moral average, which leads to a more secure society. Religion is still an effective social tool to impose conservative behavioral patterns to masses. The point is, society evolves and comes up with mechanisms to defend itself and religion is one of them. In short, I think of it as social inertia.

It is out there because it is still needed, not because what it says makes 100% sense. Everybody with some history knowledge knows that, its effect on everyday life and politics is not what it was 5-6 centuries ago (in most societies). So, even if they preach more or less the same stuff, religions might cease to exist in the future.

I was planning to try to answer some of the interesting questions you raised by taking a religious stance, but I have to leave now, I'll try to do that in another post.

[Femto]

*snip*

And you think most of the stuff you said is 'good' by any sense of the word?

I may sound like a nutcase here, but I really believe that religion is slowing down humanity's progress.

[Buzkashi]

Meh, Im not so sure about Christianity but Islam has helped the development if medicine, math, science, and philosophy alot throughout history. I mean for 500 years Arabic was the official language of math and science.

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[RedEyes]

And you think most of the stuff you said is 'good' by any sense of the word?

I may sound like a nutcase here, but I really believe that religion is slowing down humanity's progress.

Most of the stuff I said is not 'good'. Except my first sentence, I was in fact boringly objective regarding the role of religion. As I said, religion is like a force of inertia so I also think that it slows down humanity's progress. Isn't this equivalent to saying that some people -believers in this case- slow down the whole. This has to be the case, as everybody does not have the same mental capacity. Our difference is, in this process, you isolate and blame religion more than I do.

Meh, Im not so sure about Christianity but Islam has helped the development if medicine, math, science, and philosophy alot throughout history. I mean for 500 years Arabic was the official language of math and science.

As far as I know, a dogmatic school has control over Islam for quite some time, but in its earlier days a more sceptic (favoring science) school had control. Names should be Farabi and Gazali, respectively, but I might be wrong so pls correct me if that's the case. I guess this explains the difference between now and then.

[Starnum]

All of my previous questions were tied to each other, answering them separetely ruins their purpose.

If you chose what sins to commit and what sins not to then you are a hypocrite because you refuse to accept religion in its entirety and shut the door on the stuff that'd make your life more complicated or less enjoyable, plain and simple. If you disobey god's will to your own discretion, then what's the point of following any of his rules at all? Why even follow any of them if you can get away with anything if you repent enough? Again, what's the purpose of free will if you are allowed to exercise it?

Every religion is so fucking broken.

I can't believe people still follow any of that shit.

Oh, well if you're just going to ignore my points, then never mind. It's obvious that's the case, as you've simply repeated what you said before, almost as if I never posted, when I tried to do my best to explain, well, my beliefs at least. I thought I made some good, understandable points. However, you either don't really care about my views, and prefer only to focus on your own, or I'm just unable to convey my beliefs through writing, which would essentially make me a failure as a writer. In anycase, you're not going to change your opinion on the matter, and I'm not trying to get you to, so...meh *shrugs*. Besides, I'm not really disagreeing with you anyway, you definitely can't pick and choose. If you're going to follow a religion, you've pretty much got to hold to all of it, or not waste your time with any of it.

Oh, and btw...

Again, what's the purpose of free will if you are allowed to exercise it?

I really hope you meant to say "aren't", otherwise that sentence makes absolutely no sense. Hm, and if you did mean to say "aren't"...then I would simply like to answer the question with; you are allowed to use it.