Reporter: You have a lot of satanic themes in your music. What exactly is your view on this subject?
Corey Taylor of Slipknot: Nah man, we’re about more than that. We just do that shit to scare the folks away.
There you have it.
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What the hell? Why is this conversation turning towards religion? I believe in God, but that doesn’t mean I can’t listen to me some Death Metal. I like it because the music kicks ass, and the lyrics tend to be deep. At least the shit I listen to is. It doesn’t have anything to do with Satan, so fuck all that noise. I don’t listen to shallow shit like that. Go read some Opeth man, true poetry.
Reporter: You have a lot of satanic themes in your music. What exactly is your view on this subject?
Corey Taylor of Slipknot: Nah man, we’re about more than that. We just do that shit to scare the folks away.
There you have it.
Reporter: You have a lot of satanic themes in your music. What exactly is your view on this subject?
Corey Taylor of Slipknot: Nah man, we’re about more than that. We just do that shit to scare the folks away.
There you have it.
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I watched Wishbone when I was like 12 so you can't blame me for it 
. I didn't really mean to go off topic about religion, it's just that I know some people face the problem with music and how they love the music itself but the lyrics just aren't coinciding with your own views and it's often a very insulting perspective on your own views that they sing about.
. I didn't really mean to go off topic about religion, it's just that I know some people face the problem with music and how they love the music itself but the lyrics just aren't coinciding with your own views and it's often a very insulting perspective on your own views that they sing about.
Wishbone was the best... back then. So was Bill Nye the science guy.
I hate to bring it back to religion but I'd like to have my take on it. I'm Christian also, and for a while it used to bother me thinking that He would not be proud to hear me listen to stuff like that, but I realize that i dont necessarily believe in what the lyrics say so i guess i listen to the music the same reason you guys do: for the intensity. Thats actually why I really don't know the lyrics to any song actually (the exception being Tool, since I really like them and want to explore every facet of each song.)
mrJotaan:This plugin really does seem to be cool. Whats the name of it?
Starnum: I wonder why is it necessary to have to have that extra step of having to scare the folks away regarding Slipknot. Honestly, they shouldnt bother, cuz it just seems like a gimmick to attract attention; it seems like a trend along with wearing those masks. I'm not a fan of bands that dwell on appearance I guess.
I heard some rumor that the drummer likes to do something nasty, if i remember correctly, rubbing shit over his bandmates or something like that. Whats the deal with that?
I hate to bring it back to religion but I'd like to have my take on it. I'm Christian also, and for a while it used to bother me thinking that He would not be proud to hear me listen to stuff like that, but I realize that i dont necessarily believe in what the lyrics say so i guess i listen to the music the same reason you guys do: for the intensity. Thats actually why I really don't know the lyrics to any song actually (the exception being Tool, since I really like them and want to explore every facet of each song.)
mrJotaan:This plugin really does seem to be cool. Whats the name of it?
Starnum: I wonder why is it necessary to have to have that extra step of having to scare the folks away regarding Slipknot. Honestly, they shouldnt bother, cuz it just seems like a gimmick to attract attention; it seems like a trend along with wearing those masks. I'm not a fan of bands that dwell on appearance I guess.
I heard some rumor that the drummer likes to do something nasty, if i remember correctly, rubbing shit over his bandmates or something like that. Whats the deal with that?
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Honestly, don't pay attention to stuff like that. Over the years of listening to some crazy stuff, I've come across a lot of rumours and I've learned to ignore them. About the plugin, let me ask a friend, he told me about it, it was for another media player that's used in linux but he said there's one for winamp.
The masks have nothing to do with appearance, and the satanic themes are a message. It's all about the music for them, and that's why they wear the masks. They don't really want people to know what they look like, because it's not about fame. Also, when they put the masks on, that's like a transformation. After that, it's time to thrash like hell and make some of the best music known to man. As for the satanic theme, that’s just like saying, if you can’t get past shit like this, then fuck off. If you can’t actually list to the music, then we don’t even want you to fucking think of us. Basically, if all you can do is judge, then hopefully this shit will scare you away. Fucking hypocritical holy rollers man, they piss me off. It’s like spitting in their face, because they deserve it.
*Shakes his head* Kind of sad...How can you listen to something you don't agree with. No offense, but that's kind of fake sounding. I agree with damn near everything I listen too. Of course, not all of it, but that's just an aspect of my individuality. However, to just listen to the music, but disagree with the message, that just isn't right. Also, if you don't know what the message is, then you should listen. I hate shallow shit, but that's just me.
*Shakes his head* Kind of sad...How can you listen to something you don't agree with. No offense, but that's kind of fake sounding. I agree with damn near everything I listen too. Of course, not all of it, but that's just an aspect of my individuality. However, to just listen to the music, but disagree with the message, that just isn't right. Also, if you don't know what the message is, then you should listen. I hate shallow shit, but that's just me.
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It sounds like you're quite angry and maybe you don't understand it as well as you think you do. I'm not scared at all by the stuff I've heard, I've just decided to stop listening to a lot of stuff. I understand you like Slipknot but the fact is, they use the satanic themes as shock value for money. Just because they don't show their faces at their shows, doesn't mean it's not about fame. If they aren't practicing Satanists, why do they preach something they don't agree with? I'm just taking your words and reversing the situation. This isn't a personal attack, I'm just debating what you said since there are a lot of holes in your statements. There are actually a lot of people out there that listen to stuff they don't agree with and they can do it because they don't let it get to them. It's actually quite easy to do depending on what you listen to music for. I listen to music for mostly the instruments, not the lyrics but I still do appreciate all aspects of it. You can also tell yourself that what they're saying isn't what they believe so it's all an act and you can bypass the contradicting views that way.
Edit: btw, it's not actually judging them if you stop listening to the music, I stopped listening because I no longer had an interest in what they said.I never said they were wrong in their beliefs, I just said I don't share the same views.
Edit: btw, it's not actually judging them if you stop listening to the music, I stopped listening because I no longer had an interest in what they said.I never said they were wrong in their beliefs, I just said I don't share the same views.
Angry? Well of course I'm angry. That's a part of why I listen to Heavy Metal. However, I'm not angry about anything that's been said here. However, I think I understand what I'm talking about pretty damn well. I understand it a hell of a lot better than you do. I mean, you don't even really listen to them, or pay attention to the lyrics, as you've already said. I never said YOU were scared. Actually, I was never even really talking to YOU. I was just making general comments. However, if you'd like to "debate" some stuff, than let's do so. See, you say that Slipknot uses satanic themes, as shock value for money. Well, you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about. See, you're statements are completely groundless. It's fine to have an opinion, but don't say it like it's the truth man. I mean, you're practically talking out yer ass here. I mean, do you even really know anything about them, or what there messages are? It sure doesn’t sound like it. If you don’t like them, then fine. However, I know a lot about them, and I've read lots of material on these guys. If they were just after money, they'd be another sorry ass emo band. So please, don't give me this shit. Also, as more proof of you not really knowing what you're talking about, they DO practice what they preach. There's no where in the lyrics, you know, that stuff their preaching, that says anything about them being devil worshippers, or anything like that. No offense man, I'm not attacking you. However, you've just put some shit out here, without really having anything to base it off of, and so I'm just letting you know what's up. There aren't really any holes in what I've said, you just want there to be. The things I said didn't really have much to do with you anyway. Look, just because you ignore the lyrics, doesn’t mean you have to take what I've said personal, and try to throw some lame ass retort at me. That's how you roll. Good for you. I couldn't care less either way. I just think it's a little shallow, and fake, especially if you don’t even really endorse the music you’re representing. However, why should you really care what the fuck I think. Anyway, what "they're" saying, IS what they believe. I agree with it mostly too. You know, it might help if you actually, I don't know, know, what they're saying, before you presume to tell me what they're saying, or what they're about. Actually, I have a better idea, why don't we just forget about it.mrJotaan wrote:It sounds like you're quite angry and maybe you don't understand it as well as you think you do. I'm not scared at all by the stuff I've heard, I've just decided to stop listening to a lot of stuff. I understand you like Slipknot but the fact is, they use the satanic themes as shock value for money. Just because they don't show their faces at their shows, doesn't mean it's not about fame. If they aren't practicing Satanists, why do they preach something they don't agree with? I'm just taking your words and reversing the situation. This isn't a personal attack, I'm just debating what you said since there are a lot of holes in your statements. There are actually a lot of people out there that listen to stuff they don't agree with and they can do it because they don't let it get to them. It's actually quite easy to do depending on what you listen to music for. I listen to music for mostly the instruments, not the lyrics but I still do appreciate all aspects of it. You can also tell yourself that what they're saying isn't what they believe so it's all an act and you can bypass the contradicting views that way.
Edit: btw, it's not actually judging them if you stop listening to the music, I stopped listening because I no longer had an interest in what they said.I never said they were wrong in their beliefs, I just said I don't share the same views.
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I am a total Metal lover...
Some of my favs include:
- Pantera
- Slayer
- Iron Maiden
- Judas Priest
- Metallica
- Sepultura
- Soulfly
- Slipknot
- Tool
- Korn
- Marilyn Manson
- Killswitch Engage
- Hatebreed
- Shadows Fall
...that should do for now.
Though i'm a total metal head my musical taste is quite wide
Some of my favs include:
- Pantera
- Slayer
- Iron Maiden
- Judas Priest
- Metallica
- Sepultura
- Soulfly
- Slipknot
- Tool
- Korn
- Marilyn Manson
- Killswitch Engage
- Hatebreed
- Shadows Fall
...that should do for now.
Though i'm a total metal head my musical taste is quite wide
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Hey, what about satanic lyrics for fun? I mean, shock value, what the fuck? Who is shocked apart from TV preachers and christian fundamentalists? Shock rock is only shocking for stupid people.
A lot of the lyrics in music I listen to are themed by serial killers, etc. but they are fairly deep at that. The satanic lyrics are mostly just anti-christian, which is fine with me. As an atheist the idea of praying to satan is pretty damn ridiculous, but I hate those christian bigots and fundamentalists, so anti-christian is fine with me. I also often nick myself Satan or Satanas in different places (like computer games), but that's also only for fun, and to piss off those stupid people who feel annoyed by it.
In the end all I can say is this: Relax. Religion isn't really half as important as it's cut out to be. I can talk to any member of any religion, as long as he doesn't impose it upon me.
A lot of the lyrics in music I listen to are themed by serial killers, etc. but they are fairly deep at that. The satanic lyrics are mostly just anti-christian, which is fine with me. As an atheist the idea of praying to satan is pretty damn ridiculous, but I hate those christian bigots and fundamentalists, so anti-christian is fine with me. I also often nick myself Satan or Satanas in different places (like computer games), but that's also only for fun, and to piss off those stupid people who feel annoyed by it.
In the end all I can say is this: Relax. Religion isn't really half as important as it's cut out to be. I can talk to any member of any religion, as long as he doesn't impose it upon me.
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Brainpiercing, the religious talk was meant for the complete opposite purpose that you had. We weren't talking about who's right or wrong in terms of religion, there actually was respect coming from people who don't agree with the others and you came along and decided that bashing a religion in particular was a good idea. If you have nothing intelligent to add, don't say anything. Let's just move on from the religious talk now since it's become obvious that some people aren't mature enough to keep it going without problems.
Metal has next to nothing to do with religion. If those who hate it don't want to hear it then they can just fuuuuuuuuuck ooooooooff.
Metal is about the damn music man. Sure the singer is the voice of the band but the majority of metal listeners like metal because of the awesome riffs, harmonics and solo's dammit >_<
If metal has a take on religion every now and then its because some people are just naggy and stupid..
Metal is about the music
Metal is about the damn music man. Sure the singer is the voice of the band but the majority of metal listeners like metal because of the awesome riffs, harmonics and solo's dammit >_<
If metal has a take on religion every now and then its because some people are just naggy and stupid..
Metal is about the music
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To each their own. But I don't believe that music changes someone too much. I believe that people listen to what they want because they are drawn to it. If you are a dark person you will be drawn to dark music, not vice versa. It may be brought on by peers or something but its not the music. Alot of times peopls do it to fit in and then it becomes them, but the music is just a sideeffect of the surroundings. It does not create the surroundings.
You listen to what fits you. Some people are stranger than others. Sometimes you have highly "moral" people listen to "Satans" music, then you have other people who are metal heads or punks or something but listen to classical music or country(though may sound impossible I have seen it happen, but I live in the south).
Back on topic though. I used to listen to alot more metal than I do now, but some great bands:
Metallica
Slayer
Pantera
Ozzy/Black Sabbath
Tool
Marilyn Manson
NIN
Korn
I know there are more, just can't think of them now.
You listen to what fits you. Some people are stranger than others. Sometimes you have highly "moral" people listen to "Satans" music, then you have other people who are metal heads or punks or something but listen to classical music or country(though may sound impossible I have seen it happen, but I live in the south).
Back on topic though. I used to listen to alot more metal than I do now, but some great bands:
Metallica
Slayer
Pantera
Ozzy/Black Sabbath
Tool
Marilyn Manson
NIN
Korn
I know there are more, just can't think of them now.
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I said bigots and fundamentalists, clearly that doesn't imply any of YOU??
Well, whatever, maybe that came off wrongly. But yes, I did believe bashing christianity a bit is order, it has been imposed upon me so many times in my youth *cough cough* that I felt I needed to get back at them. But I mostly reserved my harsh judgement for pansy teachers in RE or visiting missionaries who promised some poor people in Africa paradise or damnation. So yes in my youth I thought it was pretty damned funny if songs were about burning churches and the like. Of course now I'm a refined personality, and I'll only burn those ugly square block churches some confessions build all over the place.......
All the nice churches with glorious architecture and filled with art are entirely safe from me. Honestly, I swear.
Well, whatever, maybe that came off wrongly. But yes, I did believe bashing christianity a bit is order, it has been imposed upon me so many times in my youth *cough cough* that I felt I needed to get back at them. But I mostly reserved my harsh judgement for pansy teachers in RE or visiting missionaries who promised some poor people in Africa paradise or damnation. So yes in my youth I thought it was pretty damned funny if songs were about burning churches and the like. Of course now I'm a refined personality, and I'll only burn those ugly square block churches some confessions build all over the place.......
All the nice churches with glorious architecture and filled with art are entirely safe from me. Honestly, I swear.
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I understand where you come from and I know why you said the things you did but in general, religious talk never works in the end because of someone's hate towards a certain religion. I guess we should just go back to metal.
Has anyone heard Arcturus before? Hellhammer from Mayhem is in it and in the past, they've had people like Samoth from Emperor in the band.
Has anyone heard Arcturus before? Hellhammer from Mayhem is in it and in the past, they've had people like Samoth from Emperor in the band.
Insomnium
Orphanage
Archtype
Arch Enemy
Within Temptation
Cynic (Long Live Chuck Schuldiner)
Theory In Practice
Death (Long Live Chuck Schuldiner)
Power Of Omens
Katationia
Opeth
Theater Of Tragedy
Amorphis
Therion
Moonspell (before Sin Pecado)
Spiral Architect
Macbeth
Meshuggah
Abyssos
Anekdoten
Catamenia
At the Gates
Carcass (Good old death metal)
Dark Lunacy
Devil Doll
Dark Tranquility
Garden of Shadows
Old Man's Child
October Thorns
Quo Vadis
Suidakra
Testament
Tiamat
Vintersorg
Tristania
The Sins Of Thy beloved
But my favorite right now is a triple tie between:
Dark Lunacy, Insomnium and Orphanage.
My metalic dream, no longer possible, since Theater of Tragedy is dead:
A concert including Katatonia, Opeth and Theater Of Tragedy, in which the ticket was 100 bucks because they will give you free valium during the concert because of the depressing atmosphere it will be built with theire music.
Orphanage
Archtype
Arch Enemy
Within Temptation
Cynic (Long Live Chuck Schuldiner)
Theory In Practice
Death (Long Live Chuck Schuldiner)
Power Of Omens
Katationia
Opeth
Theater Of Tragedy
Amorphis
Therion
Moonspell (before Sin Pecado)
Spiral Architect
Macbeth
Meshuggah
Abyssos
Anekdoten
Catamenia
At the Gates
Carcass (Good old death metal)
Dark Lunacy
Devil Doll
Dark Tranquility
Garden of Shadows
Old Man's Child
October Thorns
Quo Vadis
Suidakra
Testament
Tiamat
Vintersorg
Tristania
The Sins Of Thy beloved
But my favorite right now is a triple tie between:
Dark Lunacy, Insomnium and Orphanage.
My metalic dream, no longer possible, since Theater of Tragedy is dead:
A concert including Katatonia, Opeth and Theater Of Tragedy, in which the ticket was 100 bucks because they will give you free valium during the concert because of the depressing atmosphere it will be built with theire music.
mmmmmmm hahahhahhahahha
tool = greatest band ever
someone mentioned the song "Die er von Satan" earlier... it sounds hardcore but here is the translation
The Eggs/Balls of Satan
Half a cup of powdered sugar
One quarter teaspoon salt
One knifetip Turkish hash
Half a pound butter
One teaspoon vanilla-sugar
Half a pound flour
150 g ground nuts
A little extra powdered sugar
... and no eggs
Place in a bowl
Add butter
Add the ground nuts and
Knead the dough
Form eyeball-size pieces from the dough
Roll in the powdered sugar
and say the Magic Words:
"Sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim"
Place on a greased baking pan and
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...AND NO EGGS
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...and no eggs.
anyways other good bands would have to include:
Opeth
Memento
Hotwire
Type o Negative
Zeromancer
Sevendust
Static X (yeaaaaaaaa Wisconsin)
The Dreaming
Stabbing Westward
NIN
Killswitch Engage
Celldweller
tool = greatest band ever
someone mentioned the song "Die er von Satan" earlier... it sounds hardcore but here is the translation
The Eggs/Balls of Satan
Half a cup of powdered sugar
One quarter teaspoon salt
One knifetip Turkish hash
Half a pound butter
One teaspoon vanilla-sugar
Half a pound flour
150 g ground nuts
A little extra powdered sugar
... and no eggs
Place in a bowl
Add butter
Add the ground nuts and
Knead the dough
Form eyeball-size pieces from the dough
Roll in the powdered sugar
and say the Magic Words:
"Sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim"
Place on a greased baking pan and
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...AND NO EGGS
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...and no eggs.
anyways other good bands would have to include:
Opeth
Memento
Hotwire
Type o Negative
Zeromancer
Sevendust
Static X (yeaaaaaaaa Wisconsin)
The Dreaming
Stabbing Westward
NIN
Killswitch Engage
Celldweller
Opeth = Awesome swedish metal
I like most metal regardless of catergory.
I know some of you don't like the sound of Slayer's frontman Tom Araya's voice and such but heck i'm into it.
Its like how some poeple love eminem and I just can't stand the sound of his voice. I just cannot deny Kerry Kings goodness
Lets add more to the list shall we...
- Opeth
- Avenged Sevenfold
- Bloodduster
- Ministry
- Cradle of Filth
- Cannible Corpse
- Brujeria
- Machine Head
- Fear Factory
- Damageplan
- Down
- Ozzy/Black Sabbath
- Dream Theatre
- Black Lable Society
- Mercyful Fate
- Motorhead
- Skid Row
I like most metal regardless of catergory.
I know some of you don't like the sound of Slayer's frontman Tom Araya's voice and such but heck i'm into it.
Its like how some poeple love eminem and I just can't stand the sound of his voice. I just cannot deny Kerry Kings goodness
Lets add more to the list shall we...
- Opeth
- Avenged Sevenfold
- Bloodduster
- Ministry
- Cradle of Filth
- Cannible Corpse
- Brujeria
- Machine Head
- Fear Factory
- Damageplan
- Down
- Ozzy/Black Sabbath
- Dream Theatre
- Black Lable Society
- Mercyful Fate
- Motorhead
- Skid Row
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I like Tom Araya's voice and Kerry King's playing but I prefer Kreator to them since they sound practically the same to me and I don't hear the randomness of King's playing. I think Kerry King is awesome but at the same time I think he lacks musical knowledge since his solos don't seem to follow anything, just pure random wanking.
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I understand that a lot of bands these days are just composing music with the bare minimum theory they need to know in order to do so but it's the bands that really know their theory that make great music. If you look at Opeth, they might not have the most complicated music to play but it works really well together, the combination is amazing. What I love about them is their ability to mix heavy metal and then progress into something lighter and change the vocal styles. The two don't clash and they combine rather well to make a kick ass song.