Berserk Prototype

Post by **Loeviz** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:34 am

I still go with what the brand looks like today, seems more rough looking with all the edges on it

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:57 am

look at the dif between him in the prototype and my pic

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:00 pm

SirAileron wrote:I don't know if it's been stated anywhere, but a friend of Mystic's brought up an interesting bit on how the holy symbol for the vatican in Berserk resembles the sacrificial brand. <.<

Since the white hawk apperead in people's dreams it wouldn't be suprising if he affected them to have the vatican symbol looking like the brand.

Post by **Wandering_Mystic** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:17 pm

When I checked the two symbols (vatican and brand) I could see some similarities, but for some it might be a stretch. The key thing they have in common is the vertical axis in the middle and that they both have things swirling about them. There is also the tip of the axis, which in the brand is just a small three-pronged thing, whereas the vatican symbol is more expansive and looks like some bird (but interestingly still has three "points": the wingtips and the head)

I wouldn't be surprised if the symbol purposefully borrows from the caduceus symbol (that's the symbol you see nowadays in some medically-related circles, with the two serpents twisting around a pole with wings spreading from the top). It at least is pretty apparent that the vatican symbol resembles it greatly, I think. Actually the caduceus symbol itself is an old alchemical symbol (and a very important one at that) representing, among other things, transformation and enlightenment.

Also, for those that still are not digging the magical turn that Berserk has taken recently, consider that as far as I can tell, Miura has been basing all the prinicples on actual mystical/alchemical concepts, and I think he is using many symbols very carefully. The term "Od" that the witches use is not a name pulled out of thin air, for example. To learn a bit more, just search wikipedia for "Odic force"

Post by **Necromancer** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:21 pm

The Last Spartan wrote:I like the original brand better. The prototype seems more royal.

In that case isn't the prototype one the original one?

I tried doing some further research for the brand but found nothing interesting so far.

Post by **evilester_me** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:13 am

SirAileron wrote:I don't know if it's been stated anywhere, but a friend of Mystic's brought up an interesting bit on how the holy symbol for the vatican in Berserk resembles the sacrificial brand. <.<

Probably did that on purpose, there are a ton of things like that. Also, think about it this way: The author lives in Asia (of course) but based this whole series on a fairytale- European setting. So pretty much, a lot of his ideas were derived from history books and research I think. Probably thought the Catholic Church would be fun to pick on...

Website · Post by **BasouKazuma** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:28 am

I once saw a picture of a guy dressed up like Gatts ..... and I now understand why he had that damned eye patch on.

Post by **Volyund** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:03 pm

I really enjoyed the prototype. Thank you very very much for doing it.

I see that the prototype has VERY strong influence of Konan the Barbarian, where as the present Berserk is much more original. I guess Miura though it through very well.

Post by **Necromancer** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:05 pm

BasouKazuma wrote:I once saw a picture of a guy dressed up like Gatts ..... and I now understand why he had that damned eye patch on.

Hehe yeah, we all saw that guy, I even think the pic was posted here.

Post by **evilester_me** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:10 am

Volyund wrote:I really enjoyed the prototype. Thank you very very much for doing it.

I see that the prototype has VERY strong influence of Konan the Barbarian, where as the present Berserk is much more original. I guess Miura though it through very well.

I think its more like he started with the idea of a Konan the Barbarian character and it evoleved making it more original. But honestly I've never seen any Konan movies or anything. Are they any good?

Post by **Loeviz** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:35 am

Now when you say it, he mightve stolen a thing or two from Conan yes.
Havent seen the Conan movies in ages though, so cant say if they are good or bad.

Post by **Necromancer** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:13 pm

Try Conan the Librarian.

+1

Post by **Starnum** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:14 pm

They're a little dated at this point, and the acting isn't phenominal or anything, but I liked them.

Post by **exhumethecorpse** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:42 am

Necromancer you score points for UHF reference.
Glad someone took the time to translate this and it was also nice to see Miura improved on the story because it seemed kind of lame. "Garrrr I'm pirate prototype Gattsl"

Post by **mysterygoo** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:54 pm

Wasn't Berserk Vol. 1 originally released in 1989? He improved ENORMOUSLY. The ART is like a completely different style, guts makes more stereotypical anime faces and his fake arm seems to be able to move like a real hand, the stories alot different too. It just seems like he came a very long way in just a year.

Also, what's QC stand for Starnum?

Post by **Eldo** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:58 pm

mysterygoo wrote:Also, what's QC stand for Starnum?

Quality Check.

Post by **mysterygoo** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:10 pm

ahh, ok, thanks. before asking i checked urban dictionary and that just confused me more.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=qc

Post by **Eldo** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:14 pm

mysterygoo wrote:ahh, ok, thanks. before asking i checked urban dictionary and that just confused me more.

Urban Dictionary wrote:1. Acronym for "Questionable Call" Used mostly when an individual does something deemed inappropriate or stupid by commonfolk. The term was made mainstream by two students at the University of Illinois in Champaign.
In a room full of attractive coed females, Kevin decided to fart out loud to make the girls laugh. Mike muttered to his friend "That was a big time QC."

2. QC stands for Queer Cunt. Someone who does a crazy or stupid thing regularly. QC is an abbreviation and is useful in insulting fucking morons.
oi look at this QC, his bumjacking a parking meter

I can understand why.

Post by **Tempest** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:36 pm

Starnum wrote:
I just wish he would've waited to have me do the QC... So, I apologize for the lack of QC, but it seems it was out of my control.

Urban Dictionary wrote: 2. QC stands for Queer Cunt. Someone who does a crazy or stupid thing regularly. QC is an abbreviation and is useful in insulting fucking morons.
oi look at this QC, his bumjacking a parking meter

Post by **Khelegond** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:32 am

This is why I only rely on Acronym Finder

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.a ... &Find=Find

Post by **Starnum** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:46 am

What the! *Shakes his head*

My job is to edit the text to correct any misspellings, grammatical errors, or inconsistencies. Probably the least important job, but I’m just glad to help out. *shrugs*

Post by **Wandering_Mystic** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:11 pm

QC is a blessing, at least from my perspective as a translator. I for one am greatly appreciative for your help

Post by **psi29a** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:23 pm

QC is actually a very uncommon term for the job. In the corporate world, we call this Quality Assurance or QA for short. Never have I heard the term QC till I came into the 'scene'. There are many types of QA, however I feel that Starnum is the QA of not only spelling, but grammar, and sometimes editing... noticing untranslated parts. This is a very important process IMHO.

Thanks for the hard work Starnum it is appreciated.

Post by **Starnum** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:57 am

Ah man, that's cool guys. Thanks, it means a lot to me, really. Yeah, I check for inconsistencies too, so as to make sure we're referring to the characters by the same name each time and stuff.

Post by **Khelegond** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:14 pm

Not to lick boots, but your QC is one of the most important differences between EG and others releases. Here everything is as well written and done as (probably) as Miura's own

Man, I have most Hawks releases in my computer (since EG just started recently). If wasn't for them, I wouldn't have many Berserk volumes, but ... oh, sometimes it just pisses me off such grammar errors, and sometimes even spelling errors...if I can see it (I'm brazillian), I can imagine what you guys feel...