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Post by **Starnum** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:16 am

Yeah, and I wouldn't say that Farnese is in love with Gatts, and he's definitely not in love with her. I doubt she's in love with Roderick either, and he's probably just in it for the wealth.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:33 am

serpico is in love with farnese, farnese has a sick wierd love for serpico, but i'd say much more like that for a dog or something of that sort and farnese is strongly attracted to guts and subservient to him.

Post by **Tempest** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:46 am

MrFelony wrote:serpico is in love with farnese

Who's a jigga-what?

Now as much as I am all for everybody having their own opinions and shit, that's cool, but that interpertation is just wrong. I'm sure that Serpico cares for Farnese, but he's just protecting her, and he's her half-brother. I don't recall him ever saying he is in love with her or doing anything to make that apparent, and he has had many opportunites.

Now as for Farnese beign in love with Serpico, that's debatabe, so I'll concede that arguement. She doesn't know they are siblings, and she is pretty odd, so it is possible.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:58 am

thats the impression i got. they are both two messed up people. his love, from what i got out of it, is comparable to a submissive husband who has a tyrant biatch of a wife. shit i would reread it cause i thinking about it i would liek to reread that part...but the fact that they are related doesnt stop it from happening, a lot of people were relatives during the middle ages...though im not sure to the extent of half sibling but i half remember some instances...and if serpico is in love with farnese like i believe him to be, he wouldn't be the type to do anything about it. its the kind of love that isnt spoken about since nothing will or can come from it. sort of like casca's love for griffith in a way or maybe a better example would be judeau's (theoretical) love for casca...but i think griffiths and casca's relationship is closer to that of farnese and serpico...i wish i had the chapters right now hehe

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:17 am

I still think that Serpico loved Farnese as a half brother. He could establish between incest love and brotherly love, which is a tad different from Casca and Griffith altogether. Farnese hurled herself to Serpico at one stage but Serpico refused. And Serpico certainly didn't look jealous when Farnese was seeing Roderick. Yes, they are both twisted individuals. I have to admit, Farnese has gotten better in the recent chapters. Serpico will only be Farnese guardian and half brother always, I don't think there will be any further progression beyond that.

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:56 am

Seriously, she tried to give herself to him, and he turned her down. He loves her as a brother, that's all. Stop transposing your sick incestuous feelings onto such cool characters Felony.

Post by **Loeviz** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:30 am

Serpico loves her as a brother, period!
Farneses feelings on the other hand is not so clear.
But the fact that they are half siblings will come out eventually.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:49 am

you know you'd tap that

hehe. i have to reread it again before i make my take my full out stance, but thats just what i got outa it. it seemed like a mutual love/affection. and there would be other reasons for why he would turn her down. and serpico isnt really that emotional of a guy. but i'll bring it up in the newbie section later when i reread it

Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:15 am

Anyone noticed on the last pic how guts looked a little bit chubby? (@ O . O @)

Post by **|||||||** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:01 am

I wouldn't say he's chubby but to me his neck was normally about as wide as his head before. here it's much thicker making his head look kinda small. This might be my imagination since there are few shots of him directly from the front. Or has he gotten even stronger after getting rest? hmm...

Post by **Loeviz** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:53 am

Maybe they gave him steroids, or its the Berserker armor that gives him a full workout while wearing it

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:57 am

Who knows maybe his demon is making him bigger.

Also about farnese i never said she was in love with Guts but that she has feelings for him,they might just be feelings you have for a friend or someone who protects you all the time.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:09 pm

yea, i agree with you on that. but the fact that guts is just such a hunky guy, i dont think she can help but feel at least a slight attraction for him. he's got his very own casca

(as in griffith's casca). though i would say the potential for just father figure, seeing as how she never had one, is pretty likely to form as well

Post by **Loeviz** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:11 pm

Or it all turns out Guts is a real chicks magnet

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:30 pm

Seeing as how sick Farnese can be i wouldn't be shocked if she saw him as a father figure and then want to sleep with him

Post by **Loeviz** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:28 pm

Libaax wrote:Seeing as how sick Farnese can be i wouldn't be shocked if she saw him as a father figure and then want to sleep with him

Ah hahaha, I almost fell on the floor when I read that

But I think its more like she wanna burn him

Post by **Khelegond** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:59 pm

I think Farneze felt something more...lusty for him. Remember when she was "punishing" him, when he was captured by the Holy Chains? She was whiping him, then she stopped...and touched his chest with the whip. You can call that horny

Now, today, she's more "normal", and she feels atracted for him, specially now he got in her house just to get her to come along with him. She feels liked in a way, and she's not used to this kind of attention (of course, without counting the always around Serpico).

All girls feel something for Guts, but each for one reason. Casca we don't need to discuss, there's 13 chapters of manga and all the anime. Farneze sees him as a hero, someone tougher than she could ever imagine, and Schierke sees him as a powerfull and almost 'magic' man, since he's alive after all.

Yet, the only one he loves is the only one recoiling to his touch. Sad, isn't it?

Post by **Loeviz** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:18 pm

Well once Casca is fixed and she does descied to run to the pansy Griffith once again, I hope Guts will see that there are other fish in the sea as they say

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:22 pm

Heh i think Guts would slice Casca in two rathar than losing her to Griffith.

Also why in the world would she go to a man that raped before her lover and killed all her friends. Also if she ever becomes normal again,she would stay with Guts cause she loves him not Griffith.

Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:49 pm

I wouldn't be so certain of that really.

She always looked up to him. Saw him as a god. When they met at the sword graves she started to cry and reached after him. So I guess even if she isn't really aware of what she is. Griffith can still unlock some kind of mental trigger.

Post by **Wandering_Mystic** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:53 pm

About all this Farnese stuff, she's a lot different now than she was before, and while in the beginning there was a fair amount of ambiguity about her relationship with Serpico, if you look at how things are now, they both seem a lot more mature, and a lot less messed up. I see nothing now that really resembles an infatuation between either of them at all, just a more protective and caring nature, as others have already observed here.

Post by **|||||||** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:57 pm

Woah workout clothes! Just wear 'em and get in shape in just 2 weeks...and if you call now you get additionally this healthy cooking book and ....bla bla much more.
I don't believe that casca's restore will be that simple. I mean lets say hanafubuku (or how he is called) can erase parts of casca's memory.

1st possibility: Old casca forget everything after the eclipse...ok she will be the proud warrior from before but she would admire griffith again. -> fucked up

2nd possibility: Casca forgets about the eclipse and before...ok guts protected her, but her former feelings for guts are lost and she fears him -> fucked up

3rd possibility: casca forgets about the eclipse...hmmm this is difficult but I believe more favorable than the first two.

Then there is the thing with their child, obviously now femtos new griffith body. man considering this I guess I'll just wait how miura will solve this.

kampai

Post by **Loeviz** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:12 pm

That will be a huge problem later on that Griffiths new body used Guts & Cascas son as a vessel I believe.
But when is that pikeman (Ohh Im so bad at remembering his name) gon na reappear again and join the party?
I think hes gonna be a real asset further down the road

Post by **Tempest** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:20 pm

Loeviz wrote:That will be a huge problem later on that Griffiths new body used Guts & Cascas son as a vessel I believe.
But when is that pikeman (Ohh Im so bad at remembering his name) gon na reappear again and join the party?
I think hes gonna be a real asset further down the road

You are thinking of Azan.

Or it could be his twin brother, Bazan, which was a theory discussed a little while ago somewhere in this forum. I put together a composite sketch of what I think Bazan would look like:

Post by **Khelegond** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:22 pm

I think you mean Azan

And I'm still not sure Griffith and Guts and Casca's son are the same person. I still think he was the boy on the beach, not the new Griffith.

But we'll see about that