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Jack Thompson's proposal

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I actually just caught up with Penny Arcade recently and read the video game proposal by Jack Thompson who many of you know of (practically unheard of in Australia, probably because there's hardly any GUN deaths or violent shootings to run a circus on). If you haven't, you should read the news posts from penny-arcade and the links from it to get some background information. His proposal was to donate 10 grand to charity if anyone can conform to his twisted scenario of his video game. Here is his open letter to the gaming community:
Jack Thompson wrote:This writer has been saying for seven years that violent video games can be "murder simulators" that incite as well as train some obsessive teen players to be violent.

I've been on 60 Minutes and in Reader's Digest this year explaining how an Alabama teen, with no criminal record, shot two policemen and a dispatcher in their heads and fled in a police car--a scenario he rehearsed for hundreds of hours on Take-Two/Rockstar's Grand Theft Auto video games.

I have sat with boys in jail cells, their lives over because of murder convictions, after they, with no history of violence, have killed innocents while in a dreamlike state. Said one cop who investigated such a murder in Grand Rapids, Michigan: "The killing was like an extension of the game."

The video game industry, through its lawyers, its spokesmen, and its head lobbyist, Doug Lowenstein, the president of the Entertainment Software Association, all say it is utter nonsense to suggest that what is dumped into a kid's head hour after hour, day after day, year after year, could possibly have behavioral consequences. Cigarette ads can persuade kids to smoke, but interactive simulators in which these same kids punch, hack, bludgeon, and maim affect not a wit their attitudes and behaviors, notwithstanding the findings of the American Psychological Association, published in August 2005.

The video game industry says Sticks and stones can break my bones, but games can never hurt me. Fine. I have a modest proposal for the video game industry. I'll write a check for $10,000 to the favorite charity of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc's chairman, Paul Eibeler - a man Bernard Goldberg ranks as #43 in his book 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America - if any video game company will create, manufacture, distribute, and sell a video game in 2006 like the following:

Osaki Kim is the father of a high school boy beaten to death with a baseball bat by a 14-year-old gamer. The killer obsessively played a violent video game in which one of the favored ways of killing is with a bat. The opening scene, before the interactive game play begins, is the Los Angeles courtroom in which the killer is sentenced "only" to life in prison after the judge and the jury have heard experts explain the connection between the game and the murder.

Osaki Kim (O.K.) exits the courtroom swearing revenge upon the video game industry whom he is convinced contributed to his son's murder. "Vengeance is mine, I will repay" he says. And boy, is O.K. not kidding.

O.K. is provided in his virtual reality playpen a panoply of weapons: machetes, Uzis, revolvers, shotguns, sniper rifles, Molotov cocktails, you name it. Even baseball bats. Especially baseball bats.

O.K. first hops a plane from LAX to New York to reach the Long Island home of the CEO of the company (Take This) that made the murder simulator on which his son's killer trained. O.K. gets "justice" by taking out this female CEO, whose name is Paula Eibel, along with her husband and kids. "An eye for an eye," says O.K., as he urinates onto the severed brain stems of the Eibel family victims, just as you do on the decapitated cops in the real video game Postal2.

O.K. then works his way, methodically back to LA by car, but on his way makes a stop at the Philadelphia law firm of Blank, Stare and goes floor by floor to wipe out the lawyers who protect Take This in its wrongful death law suits. "So sue me" O.K. spits, with singer Jackson Brown's 1980's hit Lawyers in Love blaring.

With the FBI now after him, O.K. keeps moving westward, shooting up high-tech video arcades called GameWerks. "Game over," O.K. laughs.

Of course, O.K. makes the obligatory runs to virtual versions of brick and mortar retailers Best Buy, Circuit City, Target, and Wal-Mart to steal supplies and bludgeon store managers and cash register clerks. "You should have checked kids' IDs!"

O.K. pushes on to Los Angeles. He must get there by May 10, 2006. That is the beginning of "E3" -- the Electronic Entertainment Expo -- the Super Bowl of the video game industry. O.K. must get to E3 to massacre all the video game industry execs with one final, monstrously delicious rampage.

How about it, video game industry? I've got the check and you've got the tech. It's all a fantasy, right? No harm can come from such a game, right? Go ahead, video game moguls. Target yourselves as you target others. I dare you.

Jack Thompson is a Miami lawyer who has for 18 years been involved in efforts to stop the marketing of adult entertainment to minors.
Since I know all of you have really short attention spans like myself, I'll simplify it to say: basically, he wants to do a video game about this guy taking revenge on gaming industry, utilising every method that Jack Thompson's crusade has gone against (think all your violent games in one; the guy seems almost hypocritical for this proposal) for the 'hero' to embark and seek sweet vengence on those who corrupted the young minds (ie. gaming conpanies) which somehow lead to the death of his son by the hands of bullies (which had no psychiatric report that video games influenced the bullies to kill his son, but for argument's sake, let's say it does) Of course the bullies weren't to blame, since they were merely brainwashed pawns in a greater scheme of the gaming industry. So it's all the video game producers fault; attacking the root of the problem, eh? 10 grand goes to charity if any game companies decide to pick it up. Oh noes!1 A sweet deal that no companies could refuse! I guess no charity will ever get a cheque of 10 grand with Jack Thompson's signature on it, it sounds like a win-win situation for Jack to me.

Also, check out this interview. I lol'd, some of the sections are so damn stupid it's so funny, like how Rockstar is planning a conspiracy to brainwash youths to kill people. Maybe I should contact Jack Thompson and ask how to make his home brew so I can have some. I want to have what he's drinking.

You're all probably aware of this anyway, but this just caught my notice about an hour ago.
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that guy is an asshole. he knows they wont do it so he is takign advantage of that.
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What I don't get is how a video game that is more gruesome than anything I've ever seen or heard of in a video game (I sure as hell don't remember playing a game where you deficate on someone's corpse) will help Jack Thompson's crusade. He knows it'll never get made and it is just to get him more publicity.

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*EDIT* - Not only is Jack Thompson an idiot and an attention whore, now he's a liar
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I want some off his brew to, they should do a psych evaluation on him.
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Rockstar should take the job and make the most violent and messed up game of all time. So when people go out and kill from this game, they will blame Jack for sponsoring it. There will also be a hot coffee mod and nude code accessable from the start screen. ESRB will also rate this game as "E" because the game will be for everyone.
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Tempest wrote:Not only is Jack Thompson an idiot and an attention whore, now he's a liar
Wow. I have to admit, even if the letter was written in a satirical fashion, the 'donate 10000 to charity' device hardly seems to be worth joking for.
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I swear, this guy is such a fucking retard, and even a hypocrit. He talks shit about violent games, and then dares a videogame company to make one! What the heck? Stupid fucker.
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he's spreading a plague on humanity.
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Not just make any old video game, a game where you go after the heads of major corporations, where in game they only have a few slight changes to their names to make them "fictional" characters. Like the name Paula Eibel of Take This, when the name of the real president of Take Two (the company who made the GTA series) is Paul Eibeler. Not only that, but he kills the entire family of this singular person, including children. Not to mention urinates on their dead bodies.

Jack can sit behind his "cleverly" crafted responses, and his hypocritical views as much as he wants, but the fact that he draws the characters from real life characters is about as tasteful as someone creating a game where you're an anti-american middle-eastern named Asama Ben-Laddin and your objective is to blow up the World Trade Centers.

Not to mention the fact, that if you had to ask me, I'm sure that Jack Thompson is in it for his own self-centered, greedy reasons. He's representing several families who are filing wrongful death suits against video game companies. And you can be sure as an attorney, he isn't doing it as charity (as we've seen his previous track record with giving charity now haven't we?) and I'm sure if the cases are won, he stands to make a good sized sum of money from piggybacking off these families, stepping over them to make a buck of his own.

As well, I don't think anyone denies the fact that young children should not be exposed to overly violent video games. The fact that the media gets ahold of information now like "these children played FPS games for hours on end", not to mention movies like XXX (I know...I'm ashamed for actually watching it) which conveys the message that if you spend a summer only playing FPS games, you'll suddenly be proficient with firearms, is a fallacy. I remember right after the Columbine shootings, the media played out the fact that the kids played Tomb Raider. What they thought of as an "overly violent game".

The simple fact is, the parents are so wrapped up in their own lives, that they can't even monitor what their children watch and play (which in the case of the Columbine shootings, involved the children making home-made pipe bombs...) and it's certainly not the games fault, as it's an inanimate object. It's like blaming the rock when you trip and hit your head. If parents today would actually step up, and get involved in their childrens lives once again, I'm sure that we wouldn't have nearly as many problems, and as many media circuses involving computer and console games that we do now.

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Ignorance is something that just makes me sigh a lot.

Over time, it seems like people have become more clever but, at the same time, just a bit more dumb. People are willing to look at an in-depth analysis of a murderer's mental state and start to profile him but, when caught, are willing to overlook common sense and point fingers at people who virtually had nothing to do with it.

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want to see a six year old kid shooting his sister or something but, like pointed out before, stuff have tags for a reason. The prime reason this bothers me so much is because I actually live in Alabama and I'll flat out say that media doesn't turn somebody into what they aren't already. It was an error on the guardians/parent's behalf that they didn't notice the boy was so impressionable and takes steps to prevent what happened. It's flat out sad that they are planning on making news because the boy and them seriously messed up.

Adults, namely ones who want their attention, step up not for the protection of rights or even people but for the sake of taking down something they don't believe in. I don't want to call names but if our access could be limited by law then I seriously doubt I would be listening to this song right now, have my television on this channel right now, be able to play the video games I like, read the books I like, or even a part of these forums. Instead of cracking down on something that is really the new insanity plea, shouldn't people be focusing on important issues?

I'm not upset or anything since I don't even have money for video games and what not for real. It's just disappoints that the first people to call for a change for something that don't even need one aren't even willing to take the first step into the kid's room to make sure stuff like this isn't happening. Sorry if it came off as a rant.
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Jack Thompson is the kind of retard that will just go away when people stop caring about the shit he says. The moment we stop paying attention to him is the moment he'll stop.

In other words, I don't give a shit about Thompson and I've got better things to do than get aggravated by what some loser says.

PS: Why isn't this in Current Events or even Gaming?
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Femto wrote:Jack Thompson is the kind of retard that will just go away when people stop caring about the shit he says. The moment we stop paying attention to him is the moment he'll stop.

In other words, I don't give a shit about Thompson and I've got better things to do than get aggravated by what some loser says.
Quoted for truth. That's the problem with attention whores they often get attention no matter what.
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The only problem with the Jack Thompson type of of attention whotre is that if you ignore him, he just parades around screaming that he won, and never letting anyone forget it. When a website made that "horrible" AIM buddy icon that depicts Thompson getting killed by someone jacking him in the head with a PS2, he thought of it as a death threat and began his senile ranting to the Police. Thinking that he MIGHT actually have an idea of what constitutes harrasment and threats (He doesn't, which probably makes him a very bad lawyer), the site took it down. He claimed that to be "An admission of guilt" and is trying to get the head of the website's host fired.


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In other news, Jack just pWned himself. Satire, eh?
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Tempest wrote: *EDIT* - Not only is Jack Thompson an idiot and an attention whore, now he's a liar

Beat you to that one LordMune. :kekeke:
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Aye, but those are two different pWnings, aren't they? :o

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Read the latest Penny-Arcade newspost for more roffles.
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Hell, just read the Florida bar frontpage for roffles. Seems the Penny Arcade people weren't just being bullshitted when the bar said they'd look into it.

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