Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

Post by **DarkenRahlX** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:58 am

The volume 14 I have doesn't have the Berserk Prototype that was supposed to be ncuded at the end of it. Does anyone have it or know if it has ever been translated?

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:40 am

prototype?

Post by **DarkenRahlX** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:59 am

The Prototype is a 48 page story of Guts which Miura introduced in Vol 14. He drew this before he began the main story. After people saw this project of Miura's the higher ups gave him the green light and thus began the serialization of Berserk. It supposed to come after the page shown below, but my scan of volume 14 doesn't have it. There is a translation for it at skullknight.net, but no scans. I might just buy the comic to see it for myself...or I can wait until it's released here.

Anyway... In the prototype Guts has an eyepatch like a pirate and is considered the Black Knight not the Black Swordsman. He also travels around on a horse. In the picture you can also see that his dragonslayer is a tad bit different.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:40 am

aah, didnt know that thanks

. also does anyone else think that judeau was in love with casca? just when he dies he wants to tell her something and is sad that he thinks she thought of him as only useful...reread the chapters where he dies protecting her during the eclipse.

Post by **DarkenRahlX** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:57 am

I wonder if anyone has read the prototype of Berserk. I've read the translation at skullnight but I want to see the artwork also.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:32 am

MrFelony wrote:aah, didnt know that thanks . also does anyone else think that judeau was in love with casca? just when he dies he wants to tell her something and is sad that he thinks she thought of him as only useful...reread the chapters where he dies protecting her during the eclipse.

geez Felony, can't you go any more

ish than that?
OF COURSE HE WAS? IT'S SO OBVIOUS!!!

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Post by **Iemander** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:52 am

Skullkracker wrote:
MrFelony wrote:aah, didnt know that thanks . also does anyone else think that judeau was in love with casca? just when he dies he wants to tell her something and is sad that he thinks she thought of him as only useful...reread the chapters where he dies protecting her during the eclipse.
geez Felony, can't you go any more n00bish than that?
OF COURSE HE WAS? IT'S SO OBVIOUS!!!

God if I read the word "n00b" one more time around these boards I think I'll go insane.

I don't think he was in love with Caska, just considered her a very very good friend and he was about to die for Christ's sake. When someone says "I have to say something special", it doesn't have to be "I love you" like all the frikkin time haha. There was no sign or anything between Caska and Judeau before this point that pointed out the possibility.

Or maybe I'm just denying it, if there really was anything, it was just way too "random".

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:48 am

Iemander wrote:God if I read the word "n00b" one more time around these boards I think I'll go insane.

Right, sorry, I forgot where I was.

I'm pretty sure it was discussed, but here it goes:

I am pretty sure he was secretly in love with Caska, only he understood how much enthusiastic she was about Gr. And then Guts appeared who just could be the perfect match for her.

I don't wanna look it up now, but I'm sure Judeau thought sth like "is it too late to tell her" before he died. And died like a hero he did: sacraficed himself for someone he loved

if there was ever sth touching in Berserk this has to be it.

Either way I'm sorry again, and I AM still pretty sure he was in love with her.

Post by **Iemander** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:31 pm

Really...
We just haven't had a chance to...
To really...

That did what I meant it to, but...
I can't say what I've been meaning to...

To you...
I have to say something...

But...
"I'm glad to see...
you cry..."
Are those my last words...?

Directly quoted from the Hawks translation volume 13 chapter 2.

Although it's easy to see the implication, it's still very possible that he just considered Caska as his best friend and wanted to say something about that.

That seems to be a much more logical explanation. He's also never jealous of Guts and even encourages him to "be there for Caska". He even laughs when Guts and Caska go at each other right before the Griffith rescue mission. Not to mention that he could've gone after Caska if he wanted to, he doesn't exactly strike me as being shy to girls.

Or maybe he just wanted to die with some meaning so he felt he just *had* to say something.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:53 pm

well, well, I'm not convinced...

anyone else have anything to say about this?

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:20 pm

heh i never really read that part thoroughly...even though it was his dying words. and even though all my manga is out of order (slightly annoying) im takin the time to reread it thoroughly. and im pretty sure it hasnt been discuss skul, atleast not while ive been here. so unless you looked it up you are wrong. and i also agree that it doesnt necesarilly mean that he was in love with her, but considering the type of guy he was, I would see him doing whatever he could ot make her happy, even setting her up with guts. but here it is gonna be more of interpretation i guess

.

he also could have wanted more for her besides griffith's dream. also, if you remember his personality, he is considered the jack of all trades and not a specialtist. thats sortof how it went with casca, he would have been great for her...if it wasnt for griffith and guts. he knew she would never leave griffith for him, so get her to leave him for guts. but how the hell would i truly know what he was thinking

(besides the fact i held miura up at gun point and made him tell me everything about berserk

)

Post by **Skullkracker** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:29 pm

OK, I did sth I usually don't do for a discussion:
looked it up in the manga. Then watched the anime again.
Now I saw the anime first, and it does suggest a little more that he was in love with Casca, but I still think that this is how it was...what reason would Miura have for suggesting this so much?
J just has his special ways...man, he's cool!

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:40 pm

well he would do it because its so human. miura has a way to capture human feelings that these characters could be real.

Post by **evilester_me** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:25 pm

I think he loved her...but then again she was the only girl in the Hawks.

btw, what does sth mean?

Post by **DarkenRahlX** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:50 pm

From what I gather...When The Hawks did Vol 14 they left out the Berserk Prototype because Skullknight hadn't released the translation for the Prototype. They release the translation months after the Vol 14 was put out by The Hawks...they just never went back and revised it.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:21 pm

sth is a VERY BAD shortening for something. and you can go ahead and call me n00bish skul...its not like im not at some points. but this is what this thread is for so save it for elsewhere.

Post by **Frazzii** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:27 am

I know this in a n00b question but i couldn't find this anywhere. Does anybody know how often Berserk is released i japan is it every week or once a month.

Post by **LordMune** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:10 am

I believe it's bi-weekly, with the author taking frequent breaks.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:13 am

In other words it is hard to tell

MrFelony wrote:and you can go ahead and call me n00bish skul...its not like im not at some points.

I apologize again, but I really thought this topic was dry bone...apperently I was wrong.

Post by **misuru** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:48 pm

I think Judeau was in love with Casca. How do you know he wasn't shy with girls? He's pretty young, and the only girl you ever really see him around is Casca (although i'm sure as a merc he met lots of girls..)

However!
Who was worried about Casca not being able to take the heat when leading the Hawks? Judeau! who brought her meals and told Guts to join again so Casca wouldn't have a breakdown? Judeau! Besides, in manga, true love means you'll help the other person become happy, not get them for yourself. So if Judeau thought Casca would be happier with Guts, he'd try to get them together.

Post by **Skullkracker** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:17 pm

Exactly!

Finally somone sees things my way.

Post by **Loeviz** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:37 pm

Couldn´t have said it better Misuru

Post by **MrFelony** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:03 pm

MrFelony wrote:and i also agree that it doesnt necesarilly mean that he was in love with her, but considering the type of guy he was, I would see him doing whatever he could ot make her happy, even setting her up with guts. but here it is gonna be more of interpretation i guess .

he also could have wanted more for her besides griffith's dream. also, if you remember his personality, he is considered the jack of all trades and not a specialtist. thats sortof how it went with casca, he would have been great for her...if it wasnt for griffith and guts. he knew she would never leave griffith for him, so get her to leave him for guts. but how the hell would i truly know what he was thinking (besides the fact i held miura up at gun point and made him tell me everything about berserk )

fine just ignore me then

heh. and dont worry skul, in other thread it woulda been appropriate to call my ass on it

, seeing as how it should be obvious to anyone who has read the manga for their third time (which it was for me

)

Post by **Skullkracker** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:36 pm

Gosh, I only read individual chapters max twice.

So it seems to me Mr that you wanna overcomplicate Judeau, when he is only an altruistic young man head over heels in love with a girl he wanted to make happy and protect. Sad, so very sad.

Post by **misuru** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:18 pm

I miss him