Newbie Berserk Discussion Thread

Post by **Femto** » Wed May 25, 2005 1:57 am

Are you tired of hearing "this has already been discussed before" over and over? Tired of wanting to voice your opinions only to realize that most of the members here have already heard them before?

Well, this thread is the place to let them all out. After the latest "first post/new thread" situation in this forum, I've realized that newbies don't really have a place to talk about Berserk theories without getting slapped in the face by older members for talking about something that has been discussed months earlier. It's one thing to search the forums for a specific topic, but it sucks when you missed your chance to take place in a particular discussion. That's what this thread is for, our new members are free to join in and talk about whichever Berserk topic/theory they want and older members will let them speak freely. I'm sure there are some older members that would be willing to partake in the discussions too, and who knows, some interesting theories might arise.

We'll let this thread be for a while and we'll see if it's worth keeping around.

Post by **MrFelony** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:04 am

okay well first, hax can you cite what Shierke says about the wound guts received? If im not mistaken, it was a wound to his astral body that must be causing him a huge amount of pain he is sorta just shaking off... but notice that it hasnt really been treated and his condition has deteriorated so much.

Post by **Shade** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:05 am

hahaha..
Thats all too true.
This was probably the best plan of action. And it fixes things for the future.
Awesome Femto.

Post by **hax** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:51 am

I really got no problem with this resolution.

Anywho, I can't give you the translation at the moment - that volume is on another computer. But I pretty much agree with what you said, MrFelony. I also remember that Serpico ( think it was him) commenting that Guts had lost weight. I'm guessing it's nowhere near healed, I was just throwing a "what if" out there. And since this is a new thread, the what if was: if Guts' etherreal wound heals, will the Beast still exhibit the same amount of control and presence in the armor?

Post by **Buzkashi** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:52 am

I dont think you need to put spoilers here. If your in the berserk forum without having caught up with berserk then shame on you.

Post by **hax** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:12 am

you got a point there.

Post by **halfnhalf** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:56 am

this is just like the stupid therioes topic... so why make another one?

Post by **Femto** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:57 am

halfnhalf wrote:this is just like the stupid therioes topic... so why make another one?

Because these are not stupid theories.

Post by **misuru** » Wed May 25, 2005 4:18 am

i thought the first time we really see the Beast is the time when Casca gets raped by those travelling guys. This is when Guts is contemplating whether Casca is even worth protecting anymore, and we see the beast in his mind ripping Casca to shreds (as he takes a good bite of her boob).

This happens way before Slan's wound and the Berserker armor. So I don't think it has an effect at all. The Beast inside of Guts is his primal instinct, rolled up with a good heaping tablespoon of hatred, anger, and fear. I don't think it is a demon that lives inside of him in any literal sense. it's an aspect of himself; probably the Berserker part of himself. Guts has always been kind of a Berserker, and adding more hatred, betrayal, fear, etc made it into something more corporeal (the Beast incarnate).

Post by **hax** » Wed May 25, 2005 4:29 am

While Guts has always been a tad on the, shall we say, violent side, The beast only started forming when he pushed himself to ignore his humanity to become "a monster in order to fight monsters" The Beast was truly made a part of him because the brand has connected him to the astral realm.

Post by **misuru** » Wed May 25, 2005 4:34 am

Actually, I thought it was less about the brand than it was about his entire life being destroyed before his eyes by the one man he respected the most.

I'd take "best friend raping my girlfriend, killing off all of our mutual friends (all 300 or so of them), all of whom trust you, 2 days after I saved your ass from abysmal hell"

over

"the brand of sacrifice connected me to the astral plane!"

as a reason for having a psychotic, homocidal alter ego personified as a Beast, any day.

Post by **psi29a** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:10 am

I still say that the beast is an incarnation of Guts' desire to be like Gambino's dog. It's all about surviving and using whatever mechanism you can find to continue living.

I think we are all missing the point, if Miura wanted us to know what the beast inside Guts really is, then he would have told us. Right now, I think he is like "cool... let 'em think about this". It can mean many different things, or it could be little bit of everything.

Still, there are certain things you can look out for like SkullKnight's armor... makes you think that SK has an inner demon inside himself as well that was personified by the armor. So with that line of reasoning, it means everyone has an inner demon. It just so happens that Guts' is particularly badass.

Post by **hax** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:26 am

That's a really goot point about Gambino. I never thought of it like that, but it makes too much damn sense.

Post by **Eldo** » Wed May 25, 2005 9:58 am

Should this thread be a sticky? Maybe add a poll on it?

Post by **dos.azn** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:28 pm

should be sticky, so it never falls out of the newbies view

dos shall make it a sticky. sticky no jutsu!

Post by **Necromancer** » Wed May 25, 2005 9:56 pm

Dos created a new Jutsu, bah and it has no "sexy" in it.

I don't agree with the Gambinos dog theorie, but I like hellhounds I think Miura did it all for me.

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 25, 2005 11:55 pm

This thread is a very good Idea for once I will be able to bring up old news and try to put a new spin on it.

First of all the wound seems to let guts's rage flow with less resistance which makes it easier to transform into the berserker. Second Gut is getting drained by the armor, there is no stopping it if he wears it to much all the things that the skull knight said on the beach will come to pass. Third it could very well be that Guts admired Gambino's dog and so that is what he wanted to be.... man's best friend.

Here is a couple of observations:
when Charlotte is talking about the tower of rebirth Mirua shows Gaiseric then it shows Guts making the connection between him and the Skull Knight. Also Slann calls him you majesty in the troll cave.

What was up with all the branded corpses, I thought that the apostles eat the sacrifices why are there still corpses? Any way when god sent angels to destroy Gaiseric's Kingdom he sent 5, not four like is said at SkullKnight.net. So if those 5 angels where the god hand which one either died or got reincarnated so that there would only be four? I hope Mirua goes into more detail about this when Guts and SK have another sit and chat.

I know there is more I can say but I will save it for later.....

Post by **Sortep** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:26 am

actually it was corrected by muira in the same chapter... the princess had said "he sent 5 angels" and judea said "i thought it was four"..... it could be the other way around.. i dunno i'm tired and dont feel like looking...

Post by **hax** » Thu May 26, 2005 5:35 am

not so much a correction as something to make you wonder

Post by **misuru** » Thu May 26, 2005 5:13 pm

Is it his desire to be Gambino's dog, or because he's the Alpha Wolf after kicking all that Wolf Ass as a kid?

Post by **Sandman** » Thu May 26, 2005 5:34 pm

That would be cool to see Guts running with a pack of wolves, but from the drawings the beast is defenitly a dog and it looks pretty close to the one drawn for Gambino after he loses his leg.

Post by **Necromancer** » Thu May 26, 2005 9:38 pm

That Wolf idea would be really cool, I like wolves. But as I said before it's most likely what I would imagine as a hellhound.

Post by **Starnum** » Fri May 27, 2005 10:04 am

Nice idea Femto. *Nods*

Post by **MrFelony** » Fri May 27, 2005 2:51 pm

the difference between guts and Gambino is that Guts tried to break away from his master (Griffith). and would be viewed as the equivalent of a rabid dog. but instead of a dog he is a hellhound cause a future godhound wouldnt keep a dog as his "best friend"

Post by **Necromancer** » Fri May 27, 2005 9:58 pm

MrFelony wrote:he is a hellhound cause a future godhound wouldnt keep a dog as his "best friend"

Wordplay?
Godhand/Godhound?

Another difference between Guts and Gambino, Guts has losed his beloved woman but she's not dead yet.