About Griffith...

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 12:09 am

in the prophecy it says "The Angel shall be both master of the sinful black sheep and king of the blind white ones." Now this sounds like black sheep are the Apostles and the white blind sheep are humans. So I guess Griffith is both the Light and Dark Hawk!! Reminds me of Darth Sidous!!

Post by **Arresty** » Wed May 11, 2005 1:05 am

Those are two seperate prophocies though. One is refering to the white sheep that will save mankind and the blacksheep that will bring the apocolypse, the other refers to the angel that will become king. Both deal with Griffith, but are two seperate prophocies. But I do think you may be right about him being both the light and dark hawk. Never thought about it that way, but it is possible.

Post by **dos.azn** » Wed May 11, 2005 2:34 am

Sandman wrote:in the prophecy it says "The Angel shall be both master of the sinful black sheep and king of the blind white ones." Now this sounds like black sheep are the Apostles and the white blind sheep are humans. So I guess Griffith is both the Light and Dark Hawk!! Reminds me of Darth Sidous!!

no cuz sidious is just the dark hawk

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 4:19 pm

But to the Republic Sidious is also Palpatine who they put all there hopes on, kind of like Griffith. I can say with much certainty that at the conclusion of Midlands Reconstruction, Griffith will show his true form, the Dark Hawk....

Post by **akari** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:47 pm

I think so too. It was suggested even in the anime.
(Maybe Miura made some spoilers for the anime crew

)

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 7:14 pm

I am not sure of what spoilers you are talking about, but there are probably some hints in there.

Post by **RedEyes** » Wed May 11, 2005 8:05 pm

It is not likely with Zodd and the rest of the new Hawk members but I want to see a Guts, Griffith encounter before the great final.

It might clarify some questions like how powerful Griffith is... but I really want to see Guts' rage in front of his nemesis.

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 9:32 pm

Yes Guts might be able to scratch Griffith, but then what? Lets just hope that the Berserker Armor protects against dismemberment!!!!

If he does get lucky enough to scratch Griffith or Femto then I think that Griffith/Femto might lose his nerve and that's when Guts will have won. Once Griffith thinks of him self as no longer invincible that will be his down fall.

Post by **Necromancer** » Wed May 11, 2005 9:47 pm

RedEyes wrote:It might clarify some questions like how powerful Griffith is... but I really want to see Guts' rage in front of his nemesis.

Guts would lose his full sanity and win or Guts would lose his sanity and lose. That's all I think could be happening.

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 9:54 pm

That is what Schieke is there for. Plus Guts will be swinging his sword for others, while Griffth is fighting for himself, and we have seen that the person who has something to fight for, other than himself, will win. But you never know Miura might throw use a curve ball when it comes down to that fight.

Post by **Arresty** » Wed May 11, 2005 10:57 pm

I still believe there is a chance that Griffith could be good to the Kingdom. The part of the anime that you say "hints" to it was probably just liberties taken by the producers, and mainly to help give you some closure for the ending, since it is a cliffhanger, but the beginning does take place after it.

Also Schierke may have helped save Guts in the past from his rage in the berserker armor, but I doubt she coudl against griffith, that is were the moon child comes in. He was able to do it with ease when he was about to attack casca on the beach. I think that child will come into play again and may be very useful to Guts mastering the Berserker armor.

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:24 pm

That is a good theory... and it will probably have to be a team effort like on the beach to get Guts out of his rage.

Post by **Arresty** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:34 pm

It wasn't much of a team effort, it was only teh child. Schierke was trying to get there, but the child just blatantly beat her there. She was suprised afterwards because she didn't do anything.

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:41 pm

She helped out a little but your right it was mostly the Kid

Post by **Arresty** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:42 pm

To me she tried, but did nothing, her going in doesn't help the kid in any way, if anything it probably hurts, I am assuming the mind does not want to many people prodding at it, and the more that do it probably starts to close off some. But this is just fiction and fantasy at that so who knows.

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:50 pm

Only Miura......know the truth.

Post by **zodd4271** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:50 pm

I think that Gutts will have to get stronger to have a fighting chance against Griffith. Perhaps the Fairy King will be able to give Gutts more power?

Post by **Sandman** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:54 pm

Maybe the fairy king will tell him how to "...live out side the fairy tale..."(SK on the beach) that would be the most helpful thing for Guts in his up coming battles.

Post by **Arresty** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:58 pm

I don't think the fairy king can help him in that way. I believe he is already living outside of fate so that he won't need help on. I think the fairy king may be helpful in many ways, but I don't think he will necessarily make Guts stronger.

Post by **zodd4271** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:59 pm

Maybe he will be able to completely seal the brand?

Post by **Arresty** » Thu May 12, 2005 12:02 am

That is a possibility. Not necessarily remove it, but make a more permantent seal. Also think he will be able to answer alot of Guts's questions.

Post by **Sandman** » Thu May 12, 2005 12:04 am

arresty wrote:I believe he is already living outside of fate so that he won't need help on.

Outside fate yes, but outside the realm of reason I dont think so. I am pretty sure that is what SK was talking about on the beach. I think that the Berserker armor has one more trick up its sleeve and that is what the Fairy King or someone on Elfheim will be able to tell Guts.

Edit: Thanks for the tip I was confused

Post by **Arresty** » Thu May 12, 2005 12:22 am

I don't think Guts can live outside of the realm of reason. I am pretty sure that SK was talking about him living outside of fate. Because he lives outside of fate he has the ability to change other peoples fate, and the future of the world.

Also to do quotes properly you need to put quotes around the name.

[quote="arresty"]

Post by **dos.azn** » Thu May 12, 2005 12:55 am

wow these last few pages are actually something to think about! but its too much for me, i need a bogey now...

Post by **Buzkashi** » Thu May 12, 2005 1:30 am

Bogey?

And i seriously think that gutts is gona need a crazy power boost to even stand a chance against Femto. Unless his powers decreased when he came to the mortal world as Griffith. Because the first time you see Femto in the fight with the count Gutts gets certified fucked up.