One of the funnier chapters in a while. I wish it didn't end with another "Till next time" break
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"Isidro" is the official spelling of the character's name, it's Spanish.Maynard wrote:Btw, why do you translate his name as "Isidro"? I think it's better to call him "Isidoro", which is a real (italian) name. Just to know, ofc, not that it bothers me.
Thanks again EG.
My initial impressions is that she is an apostle. Which may account for the unknown fate of the rest of the island and strange impression of village inhabitants. As we have seen not all apostles are evil outright, some are more or less tragic figures that have arisen due to unfortunate circumstances.Rolos wrote:Yeah, I was just gonna say that. San Isidro (Saint Isidro) was a really popular saint in Chile, mainly due to the fact he's considered a patron of rain and harvests, and Chile used to be a primarily agricultural country.
Also, he was skinned alive, crucified and then beheaded. There are many hilarious jokes involving the different ways in which he could have died during the process (infections, being eaten by larvae, etc...).
I think Ilma is the sea god's high priestess, or something like that. I mean, she looks like the only non-assimilated human in the whole island.
It is also possible that she IS the sea god.
Anyway, thanks for the chapter guys!
I disagree. All Apostles are evil, no exceptions. Now, they weren't all evil before they became Apostles (as you say, some were even fairly tragic figures), and some of them are better at hiding it than others, but all of them are evil or they wouldn't be Apostles.The Prince wrote: My initial impressions is that she is an apostle. Which may account for the unknown fate of the rest of the island and strange impression of village inhabitants. As we have seen not all apostles are evil outright, some are more or less tragic figures that have arisen due to unfortunate circumstances.
If there's one Apostle i definitely wouldn't consider evil, it would be Irvine. There's nothing in his character behavior or personality that would make me think that he's especially evil in any way. Especially after going his way of saving Sonia in the Kushan War climax when she threw herself in the battlefield considering that they bonded back in the Hawk camps.Istvan wrote:I disagree. All Apostles are evil, no exceptions. Now, they weren't all evil before they became Apostles (as you say, some were even fairly tragic figures), and some of them are better at hiding it than others, but all of them are evil or they wouldn't be Apostles.The Prince wrote: My initial impressions is that she is an apostle. Which may account for the unknown fate of the rest of the island and strange impression of village inhabitants. As we have seen not all apostles are evil outright, some are more or less tragic figures that have arisen due to unfortunate circumstances.
Though I agree with the premise that to be an apostle an evil act is committed, I would imagine there have been incidents where people have been put in a situation where choices are made for the sake of self preservation and freeing oneself from suffering, as opposed choices manifested from that of greed and ambition. And in such cases the events of ones transformation are so tramatic that they hide their true nature deep within, and go about ones existence as if they were in some extreme denial. To the point that Ilma may not even know she is an apostle.....if she actually were one.Istvan wrote:I disagree. All Apostles are evil, no exceptions. Now, they weren't all evil before they became Apostles (as you say, some were even fairly tragic figures), and some of them are better at hiding it than others, but all of them are evil or they wouldn't be Apostles.The Prince wrote: My initial impressions is that she is an apostle. Which may account for the unknown fate of the rest of the island and strange impression of village inhabitants. As we have seen not all apostles are evil outright, some are more or less tragic figures that have arisen due to unfortunate circumstances.
*Isma.The Prince wrote:Though I agree with your premise. I could imagine in certain cases the events of ones transformation are so tramatic that they hide their true nature deep within, and go about ones existence as if they were in some extreme denial. To the point that Ilma may not even know she is an apostle.....if she actually were one.Istvan wrote:I disagree. All Apostles are evil, no exceptions. Now, they weren't all evil before they became Apostles (as you say, some were even fairly tragic figures), and some of them are better at hiding it than others, but all of them are evil or they wouldn't be Apostles.The Prince wrote: My initial impressions is that she is an apostle. Which may account for the unknown fate of the rest of the island and strange impression of village inhabitants. As we have seen not all apostles are evil outright, some are more or less tragic figures that have arisen due to unfortunate circumstances.
In the final moments of the Fairy apostle saga, I did not see an evil monster so much as a lost soul looking for her place in the world. And although I know its a stretch but in the playstation I video game, the Nico character that became the mandrake apostle certainly wasn't evil IMO. Miura wrote the story so I can only assume it to be part of the Berserk universe.
Also as was mentioned earlier there have been instances in the case of Irvine where an apostle appears noble in nature, where though they may have sold there soul to the devil so to speak, they appear to hold on to their humanity.
No way she's an Apostle, Schierke would have identified her evil od instantly in that case. She's obviously quite something. The fact that we have an "until next time" note makes me think that all hell's gonna break lose during the night and she's gonna play a big role.The Prince wrote:My initial impressions is that she is an apostle. Which may account for the unknown fate of the rest of the island and strange impression of village inhabitants. As we have seen not all apostles are evil outright, some are more or less tragic figures that have arisen due to unfortunate circumstances.
Berserk doesn't offer an easy way out like other lesser manga. It's all awesomely muddled. Femto has just saved pretty much all of Midland. Guts was amazingly nasty in the beginnings. Clear-cut evil? Indeed it can be argued that in some cases it isn't exacly clear. However, apostles are messengers of the five, an evil existence and even their good deeds knowingly or unknowingly serve the God Hand in one way or another. They willingly accepted evil as a part of them and if Femto orders every single one of them's going to start eating babies with no second thoughts. Yes, Irvine saved Sonia, because she accepted him and other apostles without any problems and it was indeed noble of him. Yet that [with her outburst] was the impulse that made the rest accept them too and now Femto has a free ride with regards to the fact that he's the Lord of them nasty buggers. The stage is setup for the "Guts vs. the whole world" scenario nicely.Deathbringer wrote:If there's one Apostle i definitely wouldn't consider evil, it would be Irvine. There's nothing in his character behavior or personality that would make me think that he's especially evil in any way. Especially after going his way of saving Sonia in the Kushan War climax when she threw herself in the battlefield considering that they bonded back in the Hawk camps.
Hell, even his Apostle rebirth sacrifice is implied to have been something much more personal than the average apostle like the Slug Count or Ganishka. Maybe in the end, he sacrificed the ultimate prey he was hunting for or something.
most doesn't mean all, and if she doesn't eat human flesh is cause there isn't any human in the island and isn't the only food that an apostle could eat, remember that even femto eat the cake that princess charlotte bakeVivioch wrote:Skullknight said that most of the apostles Guts would meet would serve Femto.
His actions came in the midst of battle, how can you say Irvin wasn't putting himself in harms way to save Sonia? In fact up to that point this was the only situation dire enough we've seen so far, that Irvin found it necessarry to switch to his apostle form.Istvan wrote:I'm not sure why Irvine saving Sonia is being viewed as a noble/good act. I saw it more as him being loyal to Griffith. He knows that Sonia is an important source of power for Griffith, he had the ability to save her, so he did. It's not as if he was risking his life or anything.
I'm not differentiating anything here. The fact that all Apostles are evil in no way means that humans can't be just as evil (with perhaps a given human being more evil than a given Apostle). Also, I'm not saying that Apostles are "just" evil (a big part of my last post was explaining the opposite), and can't care for people, as the Slug Count cared for his daughter, the elf Apostle cared for Jill, and (maybe) Irvine cared for Sonia. Even extremely evil people can have those they care for and treat well.War Machine wrote:I suppose you can consider the apostles evil if you say that the source of their power is the Idea of Evil, but I've always seen apostles as deformed humans, capable of committing atrocious acts because they no longer see themselves (physically or psychologically) as humans anymore. The God Hand simply taps into their mind to keep their emotions spiraling continuously without end so that, over time, they gain a completely obedient apostle, capable of anything. There have been humans in the story who have done far more despicable acts than certain apostles, so to differentiate humans and apostles by saying that apostles are just evil is oversimplifying everything.