Berserk chapter: 290

[Seraph]

i found something interesting anyone ever see the anime( Blood Reign Curse of The Yoma)

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/blood_r ... _the_yoma/

i found it had a lot of elements in it that was very similar to berserk.

1 friend seeking revenge on friend for betraying him
2 friend is ruler for demons
3 born from corpse
4 weapon attach to left hand (save his life a lot of time)

the final showdown is interesting but i don't know how berserk is going to end

[absofflab]

Farnese's dedication and attachment to Guts has always been one-sided. She became drawn to Guts because he gave her hope after she'd lost her faith (in the church) and because of the charisma he displayed during the catastrophic events of Griffith's rebirth into the earthly plane. It certainly didn't have anything to do with Guts courting her. Now that I think about it, Guts hasn't been in a romantic relationship (if we can call a day of sex after four years of antagonism a romantic relationship) since the eclipse; between his lingering love for Casca and his inevitable nightly brushes with death, it would be an odd thing for him to be thinking of romance seriously.

Also, I just did a bit of checking on the Curse of the Yoma, and I found a few more similarities between that anime and Berserk: the demons are human-animal fusions who come into being through a process that is fed by extremely negative emotions; the demons have largely animalistic bodies while retaining a human/humanoid face; the demons eat humans; and the main character (at least at some points in the film) is missing an eye. Oh, and the release date for this anime was 1989.

Holy. Crap.

Was there a trend in the late 80s to produce horror stories that had so many common elements? And are these features about demons (i.e., hunger for human flesh, monstrous body with a human face, etc.) a staple of Japanese folklore? Or were the extreme similarities between Berserk and Curse of the Yoma coincidental?

[Frogacuda]

Much of the metaphysics of the Berserk universe are based on dungeons and dragons and fantasy literature that was probably a common source for both.

[The Herald]

Though, with the curse of the yoma the main character's first love dies and he gains a new love by the end. The second love is much more like Farnesse than Caska is, and the first is like Caska. So, if Curse of the Yoma is like Berserk then Guts will ultimately end up with Farnesse. After years of Caska being crazy and basically hating Guts (at least from the view of the reader) anything could happen and I'd be happy with it. As long as Guts ends up with a good woman, that's all I care about.

[The Prince]

GAH! Nevermind me, I was just hallucinating again. I just randomly figured that Guts knew, and I don't know where I got my information from. But, I just seem to remember him looking at Magnifico and Serpico and Farnesse and thinking inwardly 'geez, what a family', like they were ridiculous or something. I can't wait for Serpico to reveal his lineage to Farnesse. I can just imagine him getting short with Magnifico beeing such a boob and yelling, 'I can't believe I'm related to you!' Also, why does Farnesse have to be so obsessed with Guts anyways? Because he didn't take advantage of her when she was possessed? And yeah, he did protect her, but he never, not even once indicate he ever viewd her in a loving or even sexual way. Also, Roderick being the dingbat prince that he is, told Farnesse what Guts told him, that Caska was the most important person to him. Even though Roderick will have a bit of a job taking his foot out of his mouth, he's still a nice guy. Farnesse could be happy with him. Not to mention he's the third in line for the throne of Ys .

Good to see your looking out for your boy Roderick's best interests. He and Farnese would make a good couple. I used to loath Farnese's character (especially after that flashback narrative given by Serpico), but ever since she cut off her pig tails she's been redeeming herself with every chapter.

Can't blame her for having the hots for Guts. The guy's a stud.

[Frogacuda]

Can't blame her for having the hots for Guts. The guy's a stud.

He's a 1-armed, 1-eyed, violent psychopath, covered head to toe in disfiguring scars, and in love with another woman.

No wonder they say women always pick the guys that are bad for them.

Hey when is 291 scheduled to come out?

[Gemino]

Guts has a thing for strong women. During the golden era Guts fell in love with Caska because of her strength.
When she showed vulneralability he wanted to protect and comfort her. I doubt that Guts would court Farnese
because of his lack of intimate interest towards her. Based on the qualities that Caska had in the Golden Era
Farnese doesn't match up. If she stepped her magic game up to super saiyen level he might sneak in her bed one night
for quickie no strings attached. I mean he did bang the life out of the Female-Apostle with the huge knockers.

Im kind of gay for Guts.

[Starnum]

Im kind of gay for Guts.

Aren't we all Gemino, aren't we all?

[Rolos]

eeeeeer no Starnum, not everyone have that kind of......Who do I think I am fooling?!!

The guy is so completely awesome that not admiring him in an almost sick way would be a blasphemy!!!

Gutts RULES!!!

Everyone!! Join the Mozgus praying Group so we can all pray for Gutts!!!

[The Herald]

I just read the Mozguz chapters, man he was creepy! Just those chapters made everyone think that in the world of Berserk that all people who were religiious or noble were bad or something. But Miura wrote it well and created characters that were noble and weren't total crazies. Like Jerome, and as The Prince said before, my boy Roderick . You see, I live on the coast, so the fact that he fights with ships makes him completely awesome. And yeah, I'm gay for Guts, but Roderick and Serpico come in close at second and third. Throw in the reanimated corpse of Judeau and that would be an orgy!

Also, reading the manga through again, I got a few ideas of how Casca may act when she gets her self back. I'm thinking that she'd get in a bunch of fights with Guts, like verbal fights, and end up spending all of her time with one of the other men. If it were Isidro, then it wouldn't be romantic, just a little brother thing. I'm thinking mostly Serpico because he has a similar fighting style to Griffith, plus, because he's Farnese's retainer, she's spent a lot of time with him. It's a toss up between Serpico and Isidro, because Isidro has actually talked to and made contact with Casca, not really Serpico. And I won't bore you with all of my goofy ideas about Roderick.

[Arcandus]

eeeeeer no Starnum, not everyone have that kind of......Who do I think I am fooling?!!

The guy is so completely awesome that not admiring him in an almost sick way would be a blasphemy!!!

Gutts RULES!!!

Everyone!! Join the Mozgus praying Group so we can all pray for Gutts!!!

Guts rules, but i liked him more on the early days, when he used to say "fuck you, I don't care"(still when the apostile god wanted him to help him, and Guts said that it was really cool haha).

[Seraph]

is there any other character that has been through shit like guts,surviving every night of torment and spiritual darkness and the every popular ''i want to eat your flesh''. after all of that still come out kicking ass....i think not!!


so yes gut is beeping BAD ASS.

I was reading the old volumes and found a statement by sk very puzzling when sk told guts ''HE WHO HOLD THE BROKEN SWORD AND STAND''.
who or what is he referring to:
1 guts broken sword in the eclipse(if so how the hell he know)
2 is he referring to caska she said ''i want to be a sword for griffith'' in the state she is in now i say she is broken.
3 is he referring to guts, in vol 17 godo call guts a broken sword.

[The Prince]

Farnese's dedication and attachment to Guts has always been one-sided. She became drawn to Guts because he gave her hope after she'd lost her faith (in the church) and because of the charisma he displayed during the catastrophic events of Griffith's rebirth into the earthly plane. It certainly didn't have anything to do with Guts courting her. Now that I think about it, Guts hasn't been in a romantic relationship (if we can call a day of sex after four years of antagonism a romantic relationship) since the eclipse; between his lingering love for Casca and his inevitable nightly brushes with death, it would be an odd thing for him to be thinking of romance seriously.

You're selling Guts short.......

Don't forget that brief, yet romantic interlude he had with that demon-chick that ate Corkus........and if you don't consider the shit that went down between Slan and Guts in the troll cave "romantic", then you have no heart.

I mean he did bang the life out of the Female-Apostle with the huge knockers.

Interesting choice of words.

[The Herald]

Well, no one can forget that time when Guts did that demon chick. It was the first thing anyone saw in Berserk and led to our whole veiw of what Berserk would hold, at least if you read the manga first. In all logic, with how Guts acts and feels that interlude really shouldn't have happened. I think that the fact that Miura has basically ignored Guts being a sexual being since before the great eclipse suggests that he himself may have either forgotten or ignored the first few pages of his released Berserk. He may have put that in there after the prototype may have delved too much into the parts of Guts where he's essentially a dick and a warmonger. Or he may have just wanted to start off Berserk on an edge. And yeah, the Slan thing and the part right after Casca killed the guys who tried to rape her, but there were many different extenuating circumstances. For the Slan bit, Guts was just luring her in so that he could kick her butt. And the other, yeah maybe he was envisioning his time with Casca, but most of that was the inner monster taking over. At this point Guts is two beings, the monster and the man, which comes from his brand and his whole life. One of the biggest struggles in the whole manga is Guts against himself.

[Istvan]

Well, no one can forget that time when Guts did that demon chick. It was the first thing anyone saw in Berserk and led to our whole veiw of what Berserk would hold, at least if you read the manga first. In all logic, with how Guts acts and feels that interlude really shouldn't have happened. I think that the fact that Miura has basically ignored Guts being a sexual being since before the great eclipse suggests that he himself may have either forgotten or ignored the first few pages of his released Berserk. He may have put that in there after the prototype may have delved too much into the parts of Guts where he's essentially a dick and a warmonger.

Or, most likely of all, maybe for Guts it had little to do with sex (as such) and everything to do with getting close enough to the Apostle to kill her easily. In my mind, this scene helps reinforce the idea that Guts will do almost anything to win.

[absofflab]

Istvan's beaten me to the punch here. Those opening pages served a couple of purposes. In terms of an introduction to the series, it gave the reader a very good sense of what to actually expect in the story (sex, violence, and lots of literal and metaphorical darkness). In-story, it strongly reinforces the fact that Guts will do just about anything to win against an Apostle. And as the series goes by, the beginning pages fit in better and better with that characterization. Think about it: he's used the Count's daughter as hostage/shield/bait, used Jill as bait for Roshinu (the butterfly apostle), used the larval-stage quasi apostles' (i.e., the "elves" that Roshinu put in cocoons) bodies to put out the fires on his body, willingly hosted a flame spirit to beat a kundalini, and so on, and so forth... Guts having sex with the Apostle so that he could easily get to within point-blank range for his cannon is totally consistent with his personality.

While on the topic of the sexed-up Apostle, I have to wonder how many of the Apostles from the Eclipse Guts actually recognizes whom he then purposefully kills in a more demeaning fashion. The death that she got was pretty damn humiliating, and she just happened to have been the one who'd done in Corkus and then had the temerity to walk around with his severed head in her mouth (a sight that Guts saw). It seems as though any Apostle who we (the readers) saw "on camera" during the Eclipse gets extra cruel deaths when they run into Guts in the mortal plane. He very pronouncedly tortured the Count and the Snake Baron, relentlessly pursued Roshinu even when it was pretty obvious that her wounds were fatal, and carved up the Eclipse (on camera) Apostles more than the non-on-camera Apostles at Flora's place. Of course, Guts did kill quite a number of them, but it just seemed like he went the extra mile with the monsters who'd been visibly present earlier. Does anyone else get that impression?

[The Prince]

Well, no one can forget that time when Guts did that demon chick. It was the first thing anyone saw in Berserk and led to our whole veiw of what Berserk would hold, at least if you read the manga first. In all logic, with how Guts acts and feels that interlude really shouldn't have happened. I think that the fact that Miura has basically ignored Guts being a sexual being since before the great eclipse suggests that he himself may have either forgotten or ignored the first few pages of his released Berserk. He may have put that in there after the prototype may have delved too much into the parts of Guts where he's essentially a dick and a warmonger.

Or, most likely of all, maybe for Guts it had little to do with sex (as such) and everything to do with getting close enough to the Apostle to kill her easily. In my mind, this scene helps reinforce the idea that Guts will do almost anything to win.

What's wrong with getting a little nookie in the process of killing an apostle? We all know that Guts is willing to go through hell to exact his revenge, but in this situation that certainly wasn't the case.

[Rolos]

I dont think Gutts actually knows which apostles were on the eclipse and which werent, its just that the apostles you mentioned earlier were individualy hunted down by Gutts, while the others were just soldiers he fought who happened to be apostles.

Its a completely diferent kind of fight. Take as an example the snake apostle. Gutts heard rumors about him, went there, brought him down and then, well, he tortured him to death.
The apostles who attacked flora s house, on the other side, happened to be on his way.

Almost everyone who meets a pissed Gutts dies, but I think we all agree that its definetely worst to be his target from the very beggining.

Pd: You also have to take into consideration that the unlucky apostles (count, snake, blondie, roshinu, etc...) were killed during the 2 years Gutts spent drowning the trauma the Eclipse had caused him in blood (the black swordman period).

[The Prince]

I dont think Gutts actually knows which apostles were on the eclipse and which werent, its just that the apostles you mentioned earlier were individualy hunted down by Gutts, while the others were just soldiers he fought who happened to be apostles.

Its a completely diferent kind of fight. Take as an example the snake apostle. Gutts heard rumors about him, went there, brought him down and then, well, he tortured him to death.
The apostles who attacked flora s house, on the other side, happened to be on his way.

Almost everyone who meets a pissed Gutts dies, but I think we all agree that its definetely worst to be his target from the very beggining.

Pd: You also have to take into consideration that the unlucky apostles (count, snake, blondie, roshinu, etc...) were killed during the 2 years Gutts spent drowning the trauma the Eclipse had caused him in blood (the black swordman period).

Wonder what might happen if Guts ever runs into that apostle that bit off his left-arm?

[The Herald]

Turn on the evil dog mode and bite off his left arm.

[Rolos]

Thats exactly the kind of thing gutts would do.....

[Seraph]

At this point Guts is two beings, the monster and the man, which comes from his brand and his whole life. One of the biggest struggles in the whole manga is Guts against himself.

the herald i don't think guts is two beings, the demon dog and guts is one being.the monster to me is just a fracture from guts mind formed from his suffering,hatred and torment he subjected to.

if you ever see the movie fight club with brad pitt and edward norton,the monster better represent the character pitt played.

[MournfulWoods]

Except if the beast is an alter effect of the brand/curse. Gut's contact with the underworld might have made his darker aspects come into the form of a beast. But I prefer to think it's the spiritual form of his hatred.

Isn't that beast everything the Nine tail fox should have been ? a psychological and philosophical item of the story. A fitting addition to the struggling of Guts.

[The Prince]

Except if the beast is an alter effect of the brand/curse. Gut's contact with the underworld might have made his darker aspects come into the form of a beast. But I prefer to think it's the spiritual form of his hatred.

Isn't that beast everything the Nine tail fox should have been ? a psychological and philosophical item of the story. A fitting addition to the struggling of Guts.

Huh?

[Buuhan1]

I for one never noticed the female apostle that Guts killed in the first few pages was the same that killed Corkus. Then again...they were quite a while in between readings.