Berserk: 288 - "Sea Battle (1)"

[Istvan]

Not really. He only said it once, and to me it just seemed to imply that she may not be hell bent on revenge, like Gatts once was. *shrugs*

Yeah, as much as anything it just seemed to be a warning not to make assumptions that what other people will want want to do is the same as what he wants to do. It's quite possible that this is foreshadowing of what's to come, of course, but I doubt even SK would claim to know what Caska will actually decide. We'll just have to wait and see.

[MrFelony]

It was said once, but remembered several times after that wasn't it? I'm not saying it's anywhere up there with Zodd telling Guts griffith is going to kill him. I'm just using it to support my own twisted view of where i think the manga is headed

and let it be known, im not saying anything crazy like casca using the behelit is going to happen, just that she'll most likely not want to stay with guts. what he would do next is completely up to miura

[lon3vvolf]

just that she'll most likely not want to stay with guts.

Ofcourse, since he cut off his arm for her and is seeking to kill his former friend who raped her why would she want to stay with guts? Yeah, she'll just prolly move on like nothing happened. *sarcasm*

[Starnum]

Yeah, I never get where you're coming from with that all the time, Felony. Why WOULDN'T she want to be with Gatts? I can see her possibly not wanting to go get revenge on Griffith, but if that's the case I'd expect her to try to get Gatts to stay WITH HER. No telling how it's going to go really, but I see no reason for her to shun him, especially when she comes to realize everything he's gone through for her...*shrugs*

[azn_l10n]

Hmmm...
I have been ghosting these threads for too long...
Last time I posted, was a few chapters back and I remember that my prediciton was correct, whatever it was.

About Caska.
Hmmm, Griffith's new body is formed form the body of Caska and Gatt's demonically influenced child.
A long time back, the Skull Night said that even though the baby is evil, it will long for its parents.

I think this may affect the ending somehow, not to mention the child on the beach that Caska was really fond of.
Perhaps, when her mind returns to her, she may unconsciously want to protect Griffith because he has her child's body.
I highly doubt she'll leave Gatts. Furthermore, I wonder if the Elf Master's power would return her to a pre-eclipse state or completely restore her mind including memories and events that happen after.

From my limited knowledge of Psychology (and my Bachelors in Psychology), it would seem that people who lose their mind, when they gain their sanity back, usually revert back to a status prior to losing their mind. Their memories only work till the point they lose their mind and stuff. So, Caska would probably remember up to the point that Griffith raped her and she's on the floor watching Gatts scream in agony. She may not remember being saved by the Skull Knight and everything after.

If that's the case, she more than likely won't hate Gatts. She may or may not hate Griffith. But I believe her desire for her child (which in this case, I would assume to be subconscious) would make her attitude towards Griffith and whatever other plans Gatts may have different.

[Istvan]

From my limited knowledge of Psychology (and my Bachelors in Psychology), it would seem that people who lose their mind, when they gain their sanity back, usually revert back to a status prior to losing their mind. Their memories only work till the point they lose their mind and stuff. So, Caska would probably remember up to the point that Griffith raped her and she's on the floor watching Gatts scream in agony. She may not remember being saved by the Skull Knight and everything after.

Possible, but not necessarily the case. First, amnesia and mental breakdowns are a really complex subjects, sometimes the individual recovers in the way you describe, other times they regain all of their memories, it tends to very. Second, even ignoring that you have to recall that she's (hopefully) regaining her mind through the use of magic, so what, exactly, she recalls will probably have as much to do with the spell as it does with psychology. I don't really think we can make any assumptions here.

[Death&Rebirth]

Also that your knowledge in psychology that creates that assumption. Miura will be the one to give directions here and i don't recall him having any degree or knowledge on any branch of Psychology. But you did give some good points that i overlook, like per example the mother child connection. If Caska knows that her son is now serving as vessel for Femto/Griffith, will she allow Guts to take any harmful action to the body? She may want revenge for what was done to her but surely this should weight a lot in her mind.

By the way, how much of the Dreamcast game we can take in account on the current storyline?

[MrFelony]

why would she want to stay with the man who reminds he every time she sees him about her being raped by griffith. I'm just saying, if what happened to casca happened to me, i probably couldn't be around guts for at least a little while. while there is a lot of love, there is also a lot of pain, and seeing that casca went into shock to avoid it, i don't think she could stay around guts and deal with it. I think it'd be complete bull shit if they cure her and she's "fine."

Guts: yay casca, you're cured!
Casca: Oh golly, all these bad memories. oh well, i <3 u Gattsu



but all silliness aside. If Casca remembers the rape, just imagine the shame she'd feel not only because she was raped, but because Guts saw her get raped. and let's remember that casca currently doesn't like Guts very much (though she may be warming back up to him haven't read the last 5 or so chapters). she may come out of the sickness not liking him, or appreciating the work he's done to heal her. shit, she may even hate him for making her remember all of her painful memories. maybe her bond with farnese (sp?) will be enough to keep her around if she regains her memory. She's left Guts once already, i dont think she won't do it again.

But I do agree with you Starnum that there is a distinct possibility that she'll try to convince guts to go live with her somewhere safe. I don't believe Guts can do that, but his two paths (a "normal" life and going berserk/the sparks) do seem to be on equal footing. the odds i'm putting on the outcome if she is healed are 40% chance her asking him to stay with her (and he can't and they split ways), 55% chance that she just can't stand the mental pain of being around him and needs time to herself, and 5% chance she'll go with him to fight griffith.

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[Arcandus]

Heres my 2 cents on Caska using a Behelit... Often in works of fiction writers drop hints of things to come. A bit of foreshadowing if you will. The intro of the Manga... the appearance of Griffith's behelit... the kama sutra book scene... some quite quite inconspicuous, but all a hint of things to come. IMHO we haven't gotten any such indication about Caska.

Now let me get off topic... could that girls prophesy to Zodd be more than just the battle him and Gutts teamed up in? Whats everyones opinion if Zodd left Griffith's side and helped out Gutts & Co?

I liked the sound of Casca using the Behelit, it would be nice, if that really happens should Gutts have two brands? uauhauhauha

[Starnum]

Hm, I see. Well, it's possible she may need her own time, which is probably what Gatts will want anyway, so he can go kill Griffith, if she'll be safe staying in Elfhelm. That's what I expect to happen anyway, because they can't really live in peace branded anyway. So whether she wants to be around him or not, he's going to still have to go kill Griffith. Just because Gatts was present when she was raped, he was doing everything he could to help her, and always has, so I don't really think she'll have anything against him, but we'll see because you never know.

[Arcandus]

And what do you think about Squierke and Farnese, they seem to like Gutts more than a friend. Should(or better could) they help Gutts kill Griffith? The captain will have Farnese. But Squierke... will she be ok just being Gutts friend?

[FightClub]

I liked the sound of Casca using the Behelit, it would be nice, if that really happens should Gutts have two brands? uauhauhauha

In the second volume it says that you can't sacrifice someone who's already a sacrifice pretty sure. So that wouldn't be much of a possibility, although she might be able to Sacrifice her demon offspring Griffith.

[Istvan]

I liked the sound of Casca using the Behelit, it would be nice, if that really happens should Gutts have two brands? uauhauhauha

In the second volume it says that you can't sacrifice someone who's already a sacrifice pretty sure. So that wouldn't be much of a possibility, although she might be able to Sacrifice her demon offspring Griffith.

...except that I highly doubt the God's Hand (or especially Idea) would be willing to let their long awaited fifth be sacrificed to them. Besides, in the same place it says that you can't sacrifice your enemies either. So anyway you look at it, Griffith's right out.

[MrFelony]

Squierke and Farnese, they seem to like Gutts more than a friend. Should(or better could) they help Gutts kill Griffith? The captain will have Farnese. But Squierke... will she be ok just being Gutts friend?

[lon3vvolf]

And what do you think about Squierke and Farnese, they seem to like Gutts more than a friend. Should(or better could) they help Gutts kill Griffith? The captain will have Farnese. But Squierke... will she be ok just being Gutts friend?

Thats fucking Berseksy and you all know it! I can't stop laughing.

[Buuhan1]

And what do you think about Squierke and Farnese, they seem to like Gutts more than a friend. Should(or better could) they help Gutts kill Griffith? The captain will have Farnese. But Squierke... will she be ok just being Gutts friend?

Thats fucking Berseksy and you all know it! I can't stop laughing.

Come now, her name is kinda awkward and hard to spell. I find it kinda hard to pronounce too.

[LordMune]

It's most likely a misromanization, on Miura's part, of Silke. Much like Femto is a misromanization of Femt or Femte.

[Buuhan1]

Silke....that looks like it'd be pronounced the same was as "Silky".

[lon3vvolf]

Well her witches outfit looks kinda silky... maybe it is?

[Buuhan1]

Well her witches outfit looks kinda silky... maybe it is?

Really? I always thought her outfit looked fuzzy, least that's how the shading on it looks to me.

[MrFelony]

what's this thread about again?

[psi29a]

Pirates, fucking yar!

[Grahf]

Wow I totally forgot about the whole sea battle thing. I guess I've done well without Berserk the last month. "Well, well I ain't no more".

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[Buuhan1]

Yep, the wait flew by. But time usually flies by for me anyways.

[Starnum]

It's most likely a misromanization, on Miura's part, of Silke.

Very possible, but I think it's actually a German name.