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LordMune wrote:I am a hopeless Sandman fanboy, but labeling Sandman as illustrated novel (Neil Gaiman is a novelist so SHUT UP) and Watchmen as comic easily bypasses this fact. So, quoted for truth.
Some writers of comics prefer to call themselves 'graphic novelists', rather than 'comic book writers' because they want to be treated seriously, and also that most people interpret comic books as for kids only. Neil Gaiman is indeed an established writer, if not for his comics, then other top selling books like American Gods and Anansi Boys. Those are insanely good books. My favourite book is Neverwhere. I think I've read all his works, even Stardust, which I was a bit skeptical about initially. Also, Neil Gaiman wrote the screenplay of the English version of Princess Mononoke.

Also, I'm considering picking up Sandman: Dream Hunters. I borrowed it out from the library, and read it all in the 1 hour train ride on my way to University. The art alone needs at least a couple minute or so to fully appreciate in each page. I have to admit, I'm not a big Amano fan, but the art works here. The story is damned awesome.

EDIT: Just read New Avengers. The Ronin identity is revealed. I guess the most obvious answer is usually the correct one. A decent issue, although admittedly, I'm not a giant fan of Bendis. It's still nevertheless entertaining stuff, and the art by Yu is damned cool. Nova's pretty decent, although I had hoped that his character would be more like as Giffen depicted him, instead of his over-reliance on the Worldmind making him seem like a rookie. And lastly, Countdown. For an opening issue, it's not that great. The characterisation of Red Hood doesn't seem right, but at least we know which Titan dies.
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Eldo wrote:The Ronin identity is revealed. I guess the most obvious answer is usually the correct one.
So who is he/she?
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SPOILER!

It's Clint Barton.
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That's weird.

I wouldn't have seen it coming.

Also, the book is a surefire sale for me in Leinil Yu's art alone.

Fucking love that guy's work.
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Actually, I was half expecting it, but Bendis' M.O of bringing obscure characters into prominence made me doubt it and thought it was someone else. I love Yu's drawings of Wolverine and Hulk.
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Hehe how predictable Ronin true identity was.

Me and many others talked about how it must be him for many months.




Surprise us for once.....
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I've read the Red Sonja one shot «Vacant Shell» and for once I was kinda happy with the whole story. The ongoing serie can be really.....average at times but Vacant Shell was, to me, quite pleasant to read. And the drawings were real cool in my opinion.
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So is 52 as whole worth reading or what?

DC will be releasing the trades soon and I was wondering if it's worth checking out.
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Well, it's a combination of Grant Morrison, Geoff Johns, Mark Waid, and Greg Rucka. Sure, it's worth reading any of the books these writers do, and 52 is indeed worth reading. However, there are some parts that seem to deviate from 'planned' plot (plot lines change and such), and sometimes some plot threads are rushed, because they try to tell so much in just 52 issues. Overall, it is worth reading, is addictive, and is a good ride. I would say is well worth your money, and is pretty damned gripping despite some of the flaws. You'll definitely fall in love with some of the characters, especially Black Adam and Booster.
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Eldo wrote:Well, it's a combination of Grant Morrison, Geoff Johns, Mark Waid, and Greg Rucka. Sure, it's worth reading any of the books these writers do, and 52 is indeed worth reading. However, there are some parts that seem to deviate from 'planned' plot (plot lines change and such), and sometimes some plot threads are rushed, because they try to tell so much in just 52 issues. Overall, it is worth reading, is addictive, and is a good ride. I would say is well worth your money, and is pretty damned gripping despite some of the flaws. You'll definitely fall in love with some of the characters, especially Black Adam and Booster.
I honestly just want to read me some Question.

Loved him in JLU and even though he apparently dies halfway through 52, I still want to check it out mostly because of him.

And those are some pretty heavy hitter writers anyway so it's just a matter of how good the book is.

I'll check it out.
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While I can say a lot of good things about 52, I can't say the same about Countdown right now. I just read issue 51 yesterday, and it's not something a first issue should be. I disappointed with it when I compared this to 52. Hopefully it'll pick up in issue 50. Maybe I just don't like Dini.

Also, Sean McKeever will be writing Teen Titans along with some Countdown issues, and Birds of Prey. That's damned awesome.
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Eldo wrote:Maybe I just don't like Dini.
His Detective Comics stuff was pretty amazing.

That Joker issue was tops.

I think I'll stop buying single issues for a few years and just wait for the trades.
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I hadn't read Dini before detective but he impressed me alot with his episodic stories. Yep the joker one was awesome.


I wish the normal Batman monthly would start getting as good as that....
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Regarding Countdown:

[spoiler]So Black Adam's secret word was "Sorry"?[/spoiler]

I think that's pretty cool.

Not really practical, but there's a small layer of depth in it that I find interesting.
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Femto wrote:Regarding Countdown:

[spoiler]So Black Adam's secret word was "Sorry"?[/spoiler]

I think that's pretty cool.
Actually, I thought that was stupid.

Billy could have done better than that. He could have changed it to something completely fucked up, like with a word multiple syllables or just a completely random word or in a different language. 'Sorry' wasn't all that hard to get. If someone changed my secret word, I'd basically think about the opposite of what I'd normally think, and say the words that the guy would want me to say. Yeah, I have to agree that it's not practical.

While it is pretty unlikely that a person like Black Adam would say 'sorry' in the first place, it's still a piss poor effort at changing his secret word. Look at what the hell happened in Countdown; Black Adam had his powers back and was killing everyone that entered the house. And this is what, a couple of months after WW3?
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Eldo wrote:Look at what the hell happened in Countdown; Black Adam had his powers back and was killing everyone that entered the house. And this is what, a couple of months after WW3?
Well, keep in mind that, even though it's only been a couple of months for us, it's technically been over a year since 52/WWIII in the actual DC universe.

I've been reading the newsarama forums and people have been complaining about that too but I don't think it's a big deal.

What really pisses me off are the tie-ins and DC's "let's just kill everybody we can" mentality.

Then again, I'm not really reading any of these comics and I'm basically keeping up with them via interviews and reviews.

The general consensus, so far at least, is that 52 was much more cohesive and just plain better than Countdown currently is.
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What ?


Is it time yet for the new annilihation event? I loved the cosmic characters in the last event.


Femto how good has Nova series been?
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Libaax wrote:What ?


Is it time yet for the new annilihation event? I loved the cosmic characters in the last event.


Femto how good has Nova series been?
I haven't read a single comic in months actually.

But Elektra is (was) a Skrull apparently.

SKRULL INVASION!
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Heh me too which is why i was asking.



Haha good joke about Elektra :lol:


I have finaly back the urge to go back to my comics. Have to go to the store and drop alot mainstream crap specially marvel. Only DD,Punisher will survive from Marvel.
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Libaax wrote:Haha good joke about Elektra :lol:
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Haha typical Marvel. What is crazy enough you think is a joke can happen in thier U.


Where did that story happen?
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Libaax wrote:Haha typical Marvel. What is crazy enough you think is a joke can happen in thier U.


Where did that story happen?
In the New Avengers issue that came out yesterday.

Bendis was saying how Skrulls will be trying to take over the Marvel Universe via espionage and infiltration.

People are saying that this is Marvel's "Superboy Prime punch" way of retconnning things.

Nobody knows how long Elektra has been a Skrull for though.

Hopefully since Frank Miller killed her back in Daredevil.

That'd give some weight to his story.

If Tony Stark knew about this and decided to start the Initiative in preparation for it, then that'd redeem him on many levels from all the stuff he's done recently.

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omg that sounds so stupid.



I knew they had a stupid plan to retcon everything but something like this......



Hopefully DD's story isnt also influenced by this. Skrulls setting him up or what not.....
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Well, it mostly depends on who ends up being a Skrull or not.

Making Tony a Skrull would be stupid.

Making Mary Jane a Skrull would be stupid.

Making Gwen and Norman's children Skrulls would be perfectly fine.
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