Berserk Chapter: 282

Post by **Sandman** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:11 pm

That is part of his presona right now he will rule with the softest touch even against his enemy... but of course he might be trying to sooth him by releasing him from is earthly ties

Post by **TheDrizzit** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:10 pm

lolz I'm surprised your government people haven't gone over to Japan, nabbed Muira, came back, locked him in a room, and injected him with something like meth and wouldn't let him out until Bersek was done!! ^_^

Good chapter, Griffith looks retarded in the last page, he's drawn funny. And I 'm with Guts, I want someone to hit him in that pretty little face of his and make him bleed his own blood!!!!!!!

Post by **Sandman** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:50 pm

TheDrizzit wrote:lolz I'm surprised your government people haven't gone over to Japan, nabbed Muira, came back, locked him in a room, and injected him with something like meth and wouldn't let him out until Bersek was done!! ^_^

but no that would jeperdize the pureity of the product... good Idea though

TheDrizzit wrote: Good chapter, Griffith looks retarded in the last page, he's drawn funny. And I 'm with Guts, I want someone to hit him in that pretty little face of his and make him bleed his own blood!!!!!!!

his hair must be in a pony tail... interesting didnt notice that but I did notice when he first looked at Griffith with is fog his left eye was still human I thought that was interesting.

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:23 pm

THANK YOU EG!!! this was a satisfying chapter! *u*

Post by **Istvan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:11 am

Thanks so much, EG!! Keep up the good work, guys, this really makes my day.

This is an awesome chapter, and it looks like the Emperor is going down even faster then I thought. Too bad, I figured he'd have at least some sort of plan. I'm a little disapointed in him.

Post by **coolerimmortal** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:14 am

Nekomimi wrote:That was fast.
Both the release, and beating the Kushans.
*praise praise*

I wonder.. loads of things xD
But I just wanna get back with the Gats storyline T.T

I don't think we'll see Guts again until 2008 at the earliest. I suspect we'll get at least a volume of Griffith conquering Midland.

Awesome, awesome chapter. The double spread on 10-11, in my mind, ranks alongside the spread of Guts saving Casca back in the Retribution arc. It's so damn awesome looking.

Post by **Grahf** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:02 am

Istvan wrote:Thanks so much, EG!! Keep up the good work, guys, this really makes my day.

This is an awesome chapter, and it looks like the Emperor is going down even faster then I thought. Too bad, I figured he'd have at least some sort of plan. I'm a little disapointed in him.

I think you're giving him toooooo much credit. He is only an pawn in this game. Yes he is the Emperor but he is nothing in comparison to a member of Godhand.

Post by **Lord Rae** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:49 am

Awesome chapter although like others have said it felt short. I guess when you get great stuff it always seems short though.

I'm worried that we won't get to see any of Griffith fighting... I think he might just pwn cloud man without much of a battle and we'll STILL be wondering what the hell he can do and if Guts has any way to fight.

I worry that Miura is making Griffith too powerful and it won't be even believable for Guts to have any chance at taking him down. I mean there has to be some outside shot at him putting up a fight even for us to believe he can eventually win.

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:15 am

well, i think that grffith feels threatened by guts just because he is from griffith's past. he knows he's more powerful in so many ways, but maybe the past is gut's upperhand?

i hope i get to see guts before '08. *_*

Post by **TheDrizzit** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:33 am

From what I've gathered from Muira's style in this past 5 seconds of drunken madness is that Guts' boat ride is a symbol of Muira setting sail from that area of the novel for a bit. I'm thinking while it won't take till '08 since Griffith is going to off the emperor in the next 3-4 volumes it will cut to Guts and co. reaching the shores of guadalawhothehellcares and then we'll get back to who we want to see. I'm just hating griffis right now. I wanna hit him. But when I sober up I will switch sides again.

Always did like Griffith, get what you want no matter what. JUST like in HEROES...PEOPLE SUCK!!!!! And that's a fact.....JACK!!

P.S. Grahf---Riley flips off like a fuckin' Yankee....lolz ^_^

Post by **SONGSAN** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:37 am

will be back later for discussion, right now it's just THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

Post by **Istvan** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:42 am

I think you're giving him toooooo much credit. He is only an pawn in this game. Yes he is the Emperor but he is nothing in comparison to a member of Godhand.

Oh, I fully agree. But even a pawn can at least try. I never expected his plan to work, and I was fully confident that Griffith would be able to deal with whatever it was, but I figured he'd at least have one, not just be relying on his own power to somehow make up the difference. Given Griffith's nature, it's ludicrous to think that the Emperor could somehow beat him in a one on one confrontation, and I'd expect him to know that. That's why he disapointed me a bit.

I'm thinking while it won't take till '08 since Griffith is going to off the emperor in the next 3-4 volumes it will cut to Guts and co. reaching the shores of guadalawhothehellcares and then we'll get back to who we want to see.

I'm a little confused here. Did you mean that Griffith will defeat the Emperor in the next 3-4 chapters? Because otherwise I have no idea what you're saying.

Post by **|||||||** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:48 am

Thanks for another fast, clean, great release!

As for Ganishka, it's not like he has been defeated yet. Though there is a great loss in the command chain, it's not like they lost their will to fight. Perhaps he will keep living a bit more to challenge Griffith. All battles led by Griffith had an overwhelming tactical concept, why would Ganishka suddenly be someone who'd change this...

By the way, wouldn't the people of Midland be happy if the pope would marry the princess and the "savior" Griffith? I mean this part didn't show any benefits so far, did he?

Cheers

Post by **TheDrizzit** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:10 pm

Heehee yea...I meant chapters! ^_^

Post by **Istvan** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:00 am

As for Ganishka, it's not like he has been defeated yet. Though there is a great loss in the command chain, it's not like they lost their will to fight. Perhaps he will keep living a bit more to challenge Griffith. All battles led by Griffith had an overwhelming tactical concept, why would Ganishka suddenly be someone who'd change this...

True, he hasn't been technically defeated yet, but he just basically challenged Griffith to individual combat, and I can only see one way for that to end (and that's not with a Kushan victory...), so it seems like he's basically already lost. Once he's dead, I'd expect most of the Kushan army to loose heart, which should cause the battle to end fairly quickly. I think that at this point it's pretty much over.

Post by **42ndEndOfTheWorld** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:07 pm

Has anyone else noticed that, except Silat who sneaked in, there are no other humans inside emperor's palace, only other apostles. Maybe Griffith intends to kill Ganishka using some less nice looking powers so he made sure that no human will be present. Maybe this will turn Silat away from Griffith. This just might be a wishful thinking, but there is no other reason for Miura to put Silat there. If he intends to make Silat another Griffith's pawn there would be no need for him to see Griffith killing emperor himself.

Post by **MadDogMike** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:19 pm

I've said this in other forums before. Guts is charismatic in his own ways, and seems to draw people to himself (and they now have two politically powerful, but probably temporary, new companions). I'd like to see Guts continue to draw new people in, in the hopes that there might one day be a grand face-off between two "Bands of the Hawk", one led by Guts, one by Griffith. After this chapter, could Silat possibly join Guts' cause?

Guts does seem to like to do things his own way though, and this is his own personal vendetta, so he might decline any help offered to him.

Oh yeah, thanks very much for this chapter, keep up the good work!

Post by **Gemino** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:35 pm

Sandman wrote:Dude the Government has infiltrated you web site psi!!!!!! What you going to do now????? Run to Canada and request to be treated as a political refuge J/K pretty sure any person here on EG would rather give his/her left nut/overy than turn you in right Gemino???

OH yeah thanks for the chapter its great... I wonder why it is short though?? nah who cares I am just glad there was dialog in this on

I don't know about sacrificing my manhood (an arm or leg would do) but I wouldn't think twice about the Fed Govt.

This chapter is the *$(%.It would be tight if Griffith just takes away the emperors powers and converts him back to a human.

I also believe that the method that Griffith uses to murk Ganishka will determine the path that Silat takes. If Griffith and the apostles reveal their true demonic forms in the castle then Silat may develop a resentment towards the Hawks. Say Griffith dispatches the emperor in a Jesus like way then Silat will think of him as a savior thus falling into Griffiths mastermind plot to control the Kushan.

Post by **42ndEndOfTheWorld** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:47 pm

Gemino wrote:
I also believe that the method that Griffith uses to murk Ganishka will determine the path that Silat takes. If Griffith and the apostles reveal their true demonic forms in the castle then Silat may develop a resentment towards the Hawks. Say Griffith dispatches the emperor in a Jesus like way then Silat will think of him as a savior thus falling into Griffiths mastermind plot to control the Kushan.

My point exactly. And I doubt that Griffith intends to dispatch the emperor in any nice way because he thinks that no one is looking except his fellow apostles.

Post by **Aolsier** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:32 pm

based on what Ganishka said about Griffith is Ganishka a reborn GH as well??

Post by **Gemino** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:52 pm

Aolsier wrote:based on what Ganishka said about Griffith is Ganishka a reborn GH as well??

I don't recall anything that would indicate that Ganishka is a reborn GH. He is just a powerful apostle that utilizes magic. In the most recent chapters he expresses admiration for Griffith by stating that those apostles that fight on his side feel something about as equavilent to an orgasm

. Plus Ganishka gets all gay for him when they meet.

I think Guts even said a metaphor along the lines that the emperor is like a dog trying to bite the hand that feeds him.

Post by **azn_l10n** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:45 pm

Thanks for the release!

Hmmm, to get back to the point of Ganishka versus Griffith. I don't think it'll be entirely a piece of cake for Griffith as well.

I mean, it would seem that everything in Berserk has its limits, from humans to apostles to God Hand. For example, prior to the birth of Femto, the God Hand can only manipulate from within the abyss and cannot directly manifest in the material world. The trolls and such also didn't appear (i think that's what Schierke mentioned, that that evil place shouldn't materialize normally).

So there are limitations. I think, it has shown, that in Berserk, only those who realize they are limited improve. Consider Gatts, he's always being told how limited he is, and improves upon such limitations. He doesn't seem to be all arrogant a la apostles about his power. Furthermore, Serpico who realizes his weakness time over time in his earlier challenges with Gatts also improves in power (and Ishidoro as well). I think the only rule to the breaking of the limitations of power is the knowledge of the limitation in Berserk.

Back to Griffith. He's smart, he should know the limits of his power but perhaps he doesn't. He surely underestimated Gatts and overestimated his skill during the encounter on the snowy plains but that was pre-Femto. His current powers right now, however, are thus far limited. We have seen that he can crush things, change the course of physics, and fly and all that. All under the name of "telekinesis". We also know that it is very difficult for Gatt's to harm him.

But let's just assume for now (because no display of further power is available to us) that Griffith can only use telekinetic powers as well as his sword. If his sword is not a sword of the astral realm, then it is not a sword that can harm Ganishka. If he only has telekinesis, the most he can do is move the form of Ganishka (mist) and disperse it, but won't be able to directly crush the focal point. Although this argument can be easily contested, I don't see the focal point of Ganishka's power to directly have a space occupation. Like if Griffith made it smaller by crushing it, it won't make a difference, it's still there. If Griffith tried to blow it up, Ganishkia just becomes bigger. Contestable but plausible.

Furthermore, although he can dodge arrows, can he dodge lightning bolts? I mean, it's obvious that apostles heal, even the fried ones that fell in the sea arose after Ganishka was dispersed by Gatt's dragonslayer. I doubt the bolts will leave permanent damage on Griffith but I'm certain it'll hit and I'm certain God Hand still feel pain as that woman God Hand mentioned the fiery feeling of Gatt's cannon.

Lastly, Griffith has a material body. The body of Gatts and Caska's child. This may be significant in the ending of the story. I speculate, with no evidence, that the desire Caska may have is not towards Griffith but towards her child. And the realization that Griffith possess the body of that child may cause Gatts turmoil (it seems that he does not yet know that Griffiths does possess the body of his child - from the cabin at the ocean episode). This has to be significant, there is no way Miura would just give that body to Griffith for no reason and there's no way that child on the beach (spirit of child maybe) has no significance as well.

Not to mention, the faint feeling Griffith got when Gatts was fighting Zodd on the hill of the band of hawks (Rupert's hill of swords).

Just my thoughts.

Post by **equalityofcipher** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:19 pm

TheDrizzit wrote:From what I've gathered from Muira's style in this past 5 seconds of drunken madness is that Guts' boat ride is a symbol of Muira setting sail from that area of the novel for a bit. I'm thinking while it won't take till '08 since Griffith is going to off the emperor in the next 3-4 volumes it will cut to Guts and co. reaching the shores of guadalawhothehellcares and then we'll get back to who we want to see. I'm just hating griffis right now. I wanna hit him. But when I sober up I will switch sides again.

Even though I'm impatient to see what's next for Guts & them, it's clear that the resolution of the Caska situation, however it turns out, is going to bring about a major turning point in the story. I'm not all that optimistic for Caska; I don't think the situation is going to turn out well for her or Guts. Anyway, that conclusion has got to be prolonged for dramatic purposes. Still, the thought of it being anywhere near '08 before we get started on that part is totally heartbreaking. As far as Griffith is concerned, he is so pretty and sweet that you just want to smack fire out his ass, but there is also something regal about him. Each time I see him, there is a sense of power conveyed that makes me reminiscent of the true Hawks and the reason why they were so drawn to him in the first place. But now he's so damned evil. I can't wait to see somebody fuck him up.

Post by **EnglishJim** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:29 pm

Why are people saying that Guts won't show up again 'til next year? That's more than 10 months without the main character... unlikely to say the least. I think the story will focus on Griffith for a while, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Guts won't be featured in the odd chapter now and then.

azn_l10n: Okay, I think you're overestimating Ganishka at this point and severely underestimating Griffith. We haven't seen the full extent of his power, unlike Ganishka, and counting the fact that he's considered the overlord of all the apostles, it only makes sense that he'd be the most powerful. Take another look at this chapter, Griffith is clearly in control. He's hardly done a thing and already the Emperor is on the back foot and getting desperate. I just can't see Ganishka coming out on top.

Oh, and Skull Knight has already stated that not a single being can touch Griffith here in the mortal world.

Post by **Istvan** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:10 am

azn_l10n, I think you're seriously underestimating the extent of Griffith's powers. Take a look in the latest chapter, when the Emperor realizes he's trembling from Griffith's very presence, and Griffith mentions that it is the instinct his body feels when confronting a higher being. This does not sound like a meeting between near-equals to me. Also, your listing of even just the powers we've seen is incomplete. He's also shown the ability to call up spirits (to awe his followers), and Void showed that he can bend space, etc. I highly doubt that we've seen everything the God's Hand can do by a long shot, and since it seems that the Emperor was created just to give Griffith someone to crush to further his dream, I also doubt that Idea made him so powerful that he could give Griffith a hard time.

Oh, and Skull Knight has already stated that not a single being can touch Griffith here in the mortal world.

I think he said that normal people can't. People who are "outside the story" still can. One of the examples he gave of this are witches, and it wouldn't be surprising if Apostles are also outside the tale. I just doubt that any Apostle has the raw power or ability to hurt him. However it's probably at least theoretically possible.