Volume 13's Lost Chapter Remains Lost

Post by **Sandman** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:42 am

I didnt know if this was resolved yet but the lost chapter is NOT in the US version of Volume 13. and to top it all off those bastards put a Parental Addvisory stick on the cover of the the manga instead of on the plastic wrap

Its ok though I got it off with out a scratch on the cover

Anyway I am not too disapointed because you guys already profided that chapter

Thanks Again EG... I would be lost without you

Post by **MrFelony** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:55 am

the thing is, we could all be mislead. what happens if muira changed his mind and removed the chapter because he wanted to take the story along a different path? there could be a multitude of reason for its removal...

Post by **Sandman** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:34 am

So how did we get the lost chapter?? Did he release it later or was it leaked??? Anyway I remeber it being said by one of the ModHand that Muira left it out because it gave to much information to soon. IMO I am glad it is in the hawks download.

Post by **MrFelony** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:38 am

ya that is the general consensus. maybe i should review his interviews or the FAQ. I'm just saying muira is a mysterious man...

Post by **Sandman** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:45 am

You said it

Post by **Eldo** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:50 am

It was originally printed in the Young Animal magazine, but was pulled from the volume probably because it gave too much away. We don't know either. It could be possible that Miura just omitted it because it provided too much information to future plotlines, or if it was removed from the story completely. I think it's the former, and highly doubt it is the latter.

The Hawks were responsible for scanlating the chapter, and not EG. So the real heroes are them.

Post by **MrFelony** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:38 am

ya the idea i had of him removing it from teh story completely was one of those ideas you come up with when you have nothing else to think about

Post by **Sandman** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:56 am

True, but I hate to think

so I am glad the chapter was released... Also anyone who has the Internet and is reading berserk has found the hawks and the lost chapter and if they havent they wont have the larger scope of things... Could you imagine them trying to talk in one of the threads that has to do with that topic, that would be one rude-a-wakening

If that was me I would be alittle pissed... but ofcourse they are staying true to the origanal

Post by **Istvan** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:39 pm

But as common as that chapter is, and easy to find (at least on the internet) I wonder how much Miura actually accomplished by witholding it because it gave away too much too soon. It seems like most people still know everything in it even after it got yanked.

Post by **hadi** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:48 am

What is the chapter's number that you're talking about?

Post by **Starnum** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:59 am

Hm, interesting. I guess it's time to edit the FAQ then. Thanks for the heads up.

Post by **Sandman** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:55 am

Anything I could do to help

Post by **Fuji Nagase** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:50 am

it bothers me, but not on a day-to-day basis. however, i would be relieved to have found it, and got to read it. but im not counting on that.

Post by **Dagda Mor** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:49 am

If Miura thinks it's a better story without the chapter, you can burn the damn thing for all I care.

Post by **MrFelony** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:16 am

Dagda Mor wrote:If Miura thinks it's a better story without the chapter, you can burn the damn thing for all I care.

agreed

Post by **Starnum** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:09 am

Yeah, I'm not terribly worried about it's removable.

Post by **Istvan** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:48 pm

The story as a whole isn't really affected, just some of our various speculations. However I think it'll be interesting to see how Miura plans to eventually give us the information instead. Though that probably won't be anytime soon.

Post by **Khelegond** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:53 am

We've been following the story pretty close, and when it comes to the lost chapter we still have some pretty good discussions. Now, imagine if you had read that when it was supposed to...in the middle of the eclipse...

You might get quite confused...

Post by **Dagda Mor** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:29 pm

Khelegond wrote:We've been following the story pretty close, and when it comes to the lost chapter we still have some pretty good discussions. Now, imagine if you had read that when it was supposed to...in the middle of the eclipse...

You might get quite confused...

I started reading berserk when the attack on Virtranis was just beginning. The lost chapter was a part of the scnlations I downloaded, and I read it right after chapter 82. It fit right in, and made alot of things clearer, especially just that Femto was indeed Griffith- he hadn't just been magically "turned evil".

Post by **Istvan** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:31 pm

No, he hadn't been "turned evil" but he did have most of his human emotions (at least the positive ones) burned out of him, which is worth keeping in mind.

Post by **jistanidiot** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:50 pm

Dagda Mor wrote:
Khelegond wrote:We've been following the story pretty close, and when it comes to the lost chapter we still have some pretty good discussions. Now, imagine if you had read that when it was supposed to...in the middle of the eclipse...

You might get quite confused...
I started reading berserk when the attack on Virtranis was just beginning. The lost chapter was a part of the scnlations I downloaded, and I read it right after chapter 82. It fit right in, and made alot of things clearer, especially just that Femto was indeed Griffith- he hadn't just been magically "turned evil".

Just wondering why you might think he was magically "turned evil" Given Griffith's ambition and actions, I never thought of him as "good." He might not have been "evil" although the murder of the Queen and manipulation of people to further his own goals certainly point to him being "not good."

I didn't read the missing chapter until I had read much further in the series. It's interesting to think that there is something that creates/guides/ismorepowerulthan (not exactly sure what it does) the godhand.

(Hey look I figured out that whole Reply vs New Topic thing)

Post by **Azrael** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:14 am

I think it's entirely possible that he pulled the chapter simply due to its notions of god.
God being a creation of desire, of human's desire - desire for reasons.

I don't really find that it corners Miura's writing, nor does it reveal too much. So that's why I thought it might be because some thought it too radical, or he thought it too radical.

I think it's a fantastic facet of the story, and personally, find it to mirror some of my own thoughts about religion.

Post by **Starnum** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:19 am

Yeah, I thought it was a great element to the story myself. However, at this point it may not even be in the story anymore. We'll just have to wait and see really.

Post by **Jon Maitreya** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:21 pm

The thing is, Void still refers to "The God Born of Man" in the manga, and we still SEE Idea anyway (He appears right at the end of God of the Abyss 1). Idea is explaining things to Griffith throughout the chapter, and then at the end our favourite White Hawk makes the enigmatic statement "God...?"

So just from the remaining manga, and from later statements made by Flora in the Spirit Tree Mansion, Idea still exists, is still 'created by man', and lurks somewhere in the depths of the Abyss where no magic user can go.

Therefore all signs point to either the chapter revealing too much plot OR Miura wanting a more subtle or entirely different angle. Personally as much as I LOVE the lost chapter, the story certainly has a deeper sense of mystery without it.

Post by **Istvan** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:26 pm

True, the broad outlines of Idea are the same regardless, but Miura might also have decided that he wanted to change some particular detail of the chapter, so anything that's only revealed right there is subject to potential change.

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