» Posted September 24th, 2007 by psi29a
Yes, it is that time again…
290 – 闇からの咆哮 – the Howl from the Darkness
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September 24th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Interesting chapter title…are they going to use magic to help Guts get better? This should be awesome.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Sounds like the puppy wants to come out and play. The reason, I’m not sure of…
September 24th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Ya… This will be an I surrender interesting, To internal Beast itself liberate and project beyond the meat? Farnese is going to dive in the macabre interior of the Gatsu? Perhaps the past too come to surface.
September 24th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
It was already surprising enough to find it CHAINED last chapter, I wonder what now…
September 24th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Man, Guts’ body is more fucked up than ever…
I’m really looking forward to this one.
September 24th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
I am thinking the puppy will be able to come out because of Gut’s weakened state. It’s chained because he’s not wearing the armor and has had enough restraint to hold it in, but its always itching to take control.
Hot diggety dog
September 24th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Guts will go berserk because the beast will break free from the chains, and the party will have to stop him. Maybe will be some interesting, juicy content between Guts and Farnese. Yummmm.
September 24th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
OOh! A pretty preview! Where did you get this? I thought the chapter wasn’t out until this Friday… Anyway, there’s Serpico, and that makes me happy (should go by Serpicofanatic at Berserk sites).
Does anyone know a place where I can get all the chapter titles of Berserk in English? I trust your translations, but it’s a thing of mine…
September 24th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
We’ve allready seen what happens when Guts lets his beast loose (man that soung somewhat …not the beast you think- you perwert!) so knowing how Miura doesnt have the tendency to make the same reocuring story happen over and over again I specaluate that for a change we’ll se Guts winning over his deamon for a change. Of course it will be very dramatic and the deamon dog will keep on fighting but I sense that Casca may play a vital role in deafeting it – as Guts had allready choosen to look afer her instead of seeking revenge (and it’s time for her to do something more than wandering around like a tree year old on dope)
September 24th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Berserk_manga_episodes
But it isn’t official in English till DarkHorse makes it so.
September 24th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
How surprising to see that preview!!
I thought too that the next chapter was for the 28th of september…not that i am going to complain thought!!!
I just can’t wait now!!! I hope too that Casca is going to play somehow a more interesting stuff than just doing stupid things….maybe she’s going to remenber the time Guts nearly killed her when there were having sex for the first time and how she calms him down….
September 25th, 2007 at 12:14 am
oooh yeah!!
pent up rage!!!
let that dark beast reach out!!
XDDDDDDDDDDD
oh god I can’t wait too see it
September 25th, 2007 at 2:04 am
man, i just wish they would get to that damn elf helm.
its driving me crazy to see what happens
September 25th, 2007 at 2:36 am
Wonder if he’ll call out anyones name in his sleep?
Maybe if he says Caska maybe she’ll register it somehow…
September 25th, 2007 at 6:56 am
for some reason the picture reminds of the time when Casca kept Guts warm with her body after his firs encounter with Griffith – maybe she’ll recall it as well?
September 25th, 2007 at 9:15 am
So if some one decides to look into gats dream then they figure out that the insides are way worse than the out side. lol we might see some of his crew grown either more sympathetic or scared of gats, and this will make the new turn of events more eye catching than a “True Fill”, because that it is plot oriented and helps develope the overall story….
Guess it can’t be called a filler then huh
September 25th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Why on earth do people use this godmamn ‘lol’ everywhere?? I see it among the comments here all the time and in 95% cases it’s totaly meaningless and adds nothing to a post except a few letters. Lol is too often used as an emphasis to what somebody writes, which is a total nonsense.
Do you even have an idea what do those three letters stand for or do you post them just becouse the kid next to you does so??
Whats to laugh about when you find out that your friend is actualy possesed by a deamon dog from hell? I understand what it means and sometimes use this acronim myself – but when i have a bloody reason to.
please read your what you write before posting or just post in some ‘da bomb kinda a place’ where other gaim-speak victims express themselves.
September 25th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Its going to be a filler but one like you say with a purpose – maybe some insight into the beast that seems a fibre of his being I like the chains.. it’s like its interwoven into his dna.
erm Breaction !!!!!! please more
September 25th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Filler is an anime exclusive term, no such thing as filler ‘manga’ unless it wasn’t done by the original mangaka.
September 25th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
we had this discusion a while ago – i think some people who see no guts-ripping or brutal rape scenes think of the chapter as a ‘filler’.
First of all – you are using a term reserved for something else. Please look it up before using. English is a bloody second language to me too but belive me it’s not so hard to check a word before using it!
second – it’s called CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT – I don’t know if you’ve heard about it but it’s the reason many of us read this manga in the first place.
September 25th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Amen, Krazyivan! the “filler” of the last few episodes has done a lot for introducing us to the Rodrick, who is likely to be a major player in upcoming events. Frankly, I like the slower paced stuff compared to the chapters-long fight scenes. When you’re having to wait a month for chapters, it’s nice to have a lot of dialog+plot+character development versus short bit of battle and then a long break before another short bit of battle.
Also, why is everyone here so eager for Caska to be back to normal? Yeah, she was kickass before the Eclipse, but just think of what she’ll have to endure if she remembers everything. Guts does, and he isn’t exactly a happy man, now is he?
September 25th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
First of all I would prefer to live as a man aware of his past even if it is as bas as the eclipse, rather than being an unaware retard everybody has to look after, and knowing the old Casca she would prefer it that way too. And remember she will have Guts as well as Schrieke and Fernese to support her though tough times (i’m not saing it’ll be a piece of cake).
Her coming back to senses rises many questions: Will she still love Guts? What will be her attitude towards Griffith- is she going to fight him or try to join him? Will she be aware of what has happened to her after the eclipse? How will she cope with the eclipse – how will she deal with the new situation?
What will Guts do? Will he stay a shield for Casca or become a sword against Griffith and the apostles?
We all know that if she will come back it will be a major shift in the storyline and as allways with berserk I just can’t wait to see it.
On the other hand You are right lets not be hasty and just wait and see what Miura has prepared for us – I’ve been reading this manga long enough to be sure theat whatever will happen, we can be sure it’ll be awsome.
September 25th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
At this point they actually need to get to Elfhelm. Who knows, Guts may attract some creepy water apostle, like Ogo Pogo. Then it eats the ship, or something. There’s also the beastie inside Guts we have to worry about, and if it gets out there’s no telling what will happen. Though, the elf king may be able to help Guts with that. Either way, he really should just chill a while and let his body heal. He hasn’t let it heal in like three years. Maybe the three years are making him go crazy, like in El Maquinista. Only time will tell.
P.S. The forums won’t let me make an account and I need to talk to an administrator about that.
September 25th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Hooray! I didn’t think the next chapter would be coming out so soon. This definitely makes my day a little better. Thanks for the awesome preview!
September 25th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
The Herald: Forum works and has been tested, you need to pass the CAPTCHA and use a valid email address. A verification email will be sent and you have to click it. Check your spam just in case.
There is nothing we can do if your ISP/Email service automatically nukes our emails. Gmail, gmx.de, yahoo, hotmail, and more work just fine with us, as do most other ISP except for the really anal retentive ones.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
In just wondering when it will be out to read… and also what cool new thing with happen this time.
September 26th, 2007 at 12:16 am
I personally enjoy character development more than the fights. I’d much rather see a page of almost nothing but dialogue rather than spend 30 seconds flipping through fight seen images.
September 26th, 2007 at 9:40 am
to krazyivan-
I just recall the Skull Knight’s ominous words to Guts in chapter 238: “What you wish for may not be what she wishes for.” If there was some way that Caska could make the choice for herself, I’d say, hell yeah! And maybe /that/ should be Guts’ wish.
to everyone-
Can you all stop using the word “retard” the way you do? As someone who as worked with people with mentally disabilities, I find it /really/offensive
September 26th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Thanks psi29a, I’ve been having trouble with that for a while. It works now. And about the what Caska wants I think that her relationship with Guts was rocky enough already. I don’t think she’s going to want to be with him once her memory comes back. She may fight alongside him, but I don’t think she’ll love him again, like she used to. Though, I doubt that she’ll go with Griffith’s group. If she gets back all of her memories then she’ll despise Griffith and be majorly pissed at Guts. Though, I just know Guts is in for a big heart break when they get to Elf Helm.
September 26th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
When is the new zetman going to be translated!!! TELL ME!!!!
September 26th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Herald: Glad I could help.
As for the ‘lol’ comments, I’ve added it to my list of triggers that automatically sends comments to the spam bucket. So I apologize to all the many people who felt it only polite to shout ‘lol’ back to krazyivan (so far 12).
So, problem solved.
Don’t even bother to try and change my mind.
September 26th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
Maybe i need to do a little re-reading but as far as I remember it just before the eclipse their reletionship (Casca,Guts) was on the best level it had ever been.
I see no apparent reason for Casca to be mad at Guts – he did all he could to save her but just coul’d do anything about what Femto/Griffith did to her or the rest of the Hawks. Is she going to hate Guts for bringing her back to sanity? Maybe, but he will the only link to the world she knew. About the words the Skull Knight have said: Maybe he meant that after regaining her full mental potential Casca would want to leave things the way they are and not interfere in Gritffiths doing (i don’t know- maybe thinking that he deos those thing fo rthe good of midland, or still willing to see griffith dream co true (oh golden age reminesens;) )?)- on the contrary to Guts’s lust for revenge.
September 26th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Don’t think she’ll return to her previuos self.
She’ll just regain her affection for Gatz, and become a bit more relaxed/less “retarded”/at ease in Elfhell.
And the elves will help Gatz to heal spiritually and physically. (and maybe make him a better seal or something)
And like krazyivan said, maybe she’ll (in one of her brighter/affectionate moments), instinctevly warm Gatz’ body, like the first time they met. Or at least, that would be a really nice development.
September 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Oh, and another thing.
[possible spoiler - stop reading]
Remember that Caska had a “child” (some demonish looking thing) with Femto? There are a few moments in the manga that suggest Gatz and Caska will face him again, possibly in a fight, with lots of drama between Caska/Femto/Gatz.
[/spoiler - start reading]
September 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
I was under the impression that the child was gatz, and that femto corrupted/demonized the child when he raped her.
September 26th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
If it matters, some people are confused about the preview. The chapter *isn’t* released until the 28th. The preview is all that has been released. There are no raws yet.
September 26th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
the demon baby is kind of a complicated situation isn’t it?
guts thought he saw him inside the egg-apostle’s body, but does he realize it became griffith’s body? griffith instinctively protects caska at the hill of swords, but does he know he’s no longer just guts’ bitch, but also his son? caska always liked her demon child, but when she met griffith she didn’t try to seal-feed him, so she doesn’t recognize griffith as her son anymore? can’t wait for the 28th!
September 26th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Sure it’s just one picture – but doesn’t it make you wonder?
September 26th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Quirinus:
That isn’t Femto’s child (The Skull Knight says it will haunt its parents, it haunts Guts, ergo it is Guts’ child), but it /is/ the reincarnated Griffith! Go back and re-read chapters 165 and 173 if you don’t believe me. Which is why it would be very good if Caska chose to return to normal, because in her current state she may blindly want to protect Grifith (chapter 175).
But, Miura loves angst and tragedy, so I wouldn’t bet on it. Still, here’s hoping he opts for the angst of Caska remembering everything!
September 26th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Yeah, thanks, you’re right I forgot about that.
Though something with “it” will happen sooner or later in my opinion.
September 26th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
@krazyivan
I apologize for my comment earlier and I agree with Psi29a with his decision. krazyivan; i know that it wasn’t me personally that you were attacking, but that i was the one that happen to be what set you off.
No worries there.
I will in the future remember this incident and prevent it form now on.
And to EG:
Sorry for adding yet another useless comment….Sorry
September 26th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
ohhh! it hurt’s to see guts that way,”the dude is starting to look like a freaking anatomy model on musculature, lay off the hydroxycut man!!!”. SOMEBODY GET GUTS A HOGIE!!
September 26th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
There’s still their relationships with the other people in the group. When Caska regains her self, will she remember her last few years? She may forget Farnesse and then think of her as just a wimp. That would be horrible for Farnesse. I think Shierke will be okay. Serpico and Ishidro don’t really have much to do with Caska, but they interact with her. And, Serpico fights with a thin sword similar to Griffith, so that’s bound to create some emotion with her. Guts will just need to rest in Elfhelm. I do see Roderick taking a real leadership position with Guts incapacitated. Anyways, we don’t even know if they’ll get to Elfhelm at this point. If they left from Rome (aka Vritannis) then they must be going to some small island in the middle of the Meditteranian. I’m still trying to figure out which one. I don’t think it’s Crete, that’s too big. Well, we’ll see soon.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
/When Caska regains her self/
This is what I’m protesting! It’s /if/ she regains herself. There are no guarantees here, people, no matter how much we might wish it!
September 26th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
How great would that be, if Gatsu got to be by himself again -getting back to being the lonely wolf he was once- Wouldn’t that be just amazing?
I think it would totally give a new breath to the story, not saying that this way he’ll have plenty of time to think about the past and focus his thoughts…
I know we’ll miss everyone but I would have to be just temporary. I can only wish for a Gatsu/Puck comeback!
Anyway, I hope they’ll reach Elfhelm really soon, cause it’s starting to look like a century journey to me
September 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
it have to be very soon.. coz guts body is so messed up.. he can’t do anything without his armor… either that.. or he’ll die and come back like the skull knight did.
September 27th, 2007 at 4:35 am
- Slan represents Lust… maybe even Hunger
She materialized from Trolls’ internal organs, mostly the intestines.
– Conrad represents Plague… maybe even Misery
He materialized from Rats.
– Femto represents War…
He materialized from a corrupted human child. Because it is man who makes war.
– Urbik may represent Manipulation… maybe even Illusion
Remember how he appeared at “The Feast” and how he convinced Griffith to accept their kind offer.
– Void may represent either Death or Sacrifice (as in “to sacrifice something/someone rather than “to sacrifice oneself”… maybe even Torture
My point is… we have not seen them lately… Wouldn’t it be kind of ironic if the entire Elven island was being manipulated by Ubik? Or that they arrive on an island and they are fooled by his illusion…
Then again, in the near future I can see some party members dying…
Like ALL, except for Evarella and Pakku, the female elf going crazy and Pakku seeking revenge. So now we’ll still have Berserk, just the main character changed to Pakku, with his gigantic sword (in proportion at least).
Phireo
September 27th, 2007 at 5:37 am
I like how there were all these theories from people about the demon child still being important and all..
but nobody mentioned the weird kid at the beach. What’s up with that?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
I think that after the meeting in the hill of swords Griffith suspected that the vessel he used had a strong link to Caska, so he might have get rid of the vessel since he was already “ressurrected” since the eclipse and didn’t any other use for their child… so I think that Griffith and gut’s and caska’s child don’t have anything to do with eachother anymore..
September 27th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
The thing im most interested about now is why this chapter came out so fast if you look that other ones. Must be realy inspired right now to make the comic. Go, Miura
September 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
I was under the impression that Griffith’s body was made from the egg, and since the egg took in the baby, the baby was reborn, and griffith was reborn being the baby’s half-brother so to speak(reborn using the egg and baby both for body)
My 2 cents.
September 27th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
The baby is a solution to finish quickly.
Casca+Dagger+Griffith+”baby’s will to protect”= Griffith don’t protect himself against casca= the end
pompopom
September 27th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
yes, im interested in that “weird kid at the beach” that
Eltee mentioned. What IS up wit dat?! how did he keep the alligator demons from entering the hut?
September 27th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
@The Herald:
Maybe Crete (aka Atlantis) ?
The “mystical” island.
That would explain some pirates along the way. xD
September 27th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
oh well…im my opnion i think if caska comes back to “normal” she could still love griffith or gattsu…before the eclipse she was unsure about leaving the band with only gattsu and was thinking about helping griffith, she could start loving him again and the shock about the eclipse be so great that she just deleted from her memory…or she could love gattsu and remember the eclipse…or just be with him even tough she dont love him…
i just love the possibilities…
September 27th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Aside form preview speculations I just realized one detail – Miura is the greatest mangaka of all times but the way he draws Gats’s left arm when without the cannon-gantlet – i’m no biologist or anthomy specialist but thats not how a torn away/cut off or even surgically amputated limb should look like at all! The muscles are virtually intact – just look for some pictures of war veterans how their anathomy changes when missing a limb (when a muscle has lost it attachment
to the bones it changes it’s shape – unlike here). Actually the shape of this one is very unlikely even if it was a very fresh wound. I stiil think that Miura is the best mangaka ever and will praise him as a demigod.
September 27th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
My two cents…
To set a few things straight, the Egg-Apostle’s purpose was to give itself up to the rebirth of Griffith and in-so-doing, perish. However, before it completed this task, it ‘took in’/'ate’/'absorbed’ the tainted (demonic) child of Casca and Gutts. When Griffith was reborn, so to was the child. The kid at the beach was most certainly this reborn child visiting his parents as the Skull Knight said it would intermittantly do. What the future role of the child will be is still unclear.
Regarding Griffith and Casca….
Due to the incident at the hill, we did see that there was an instinctual reaction on Griffith’s part to protect Casca. the exact nature of this connection we can only speculate upon, though to say something like ‘Griffith is Casca’s child now’, or ‘Gutt’s and Casca’s kid is now a brother to Femto’ is far too course. My guess is just that a bit of the kid rubbed off on Griffith. This would be rather interesting given that the ascension to God Hand status stripped Griffith of much of, if not all of, his humanity. The only person he ever really cared for (personally) was Gutts, and the latest info suggests that he doesn’t give two bleeps about him anymore (remember the visit at the Hill?), but he did save Casca….
And Casca….
I don’t really know what will happen when they reach Elfhelm, but I strongly suspect that Casca will not desire to be healed. I think all she wants is peace now. If they manage to collect all her marbles together in one place I think she’ll elect to simply not remember. Of course, this will result in heartbreak for Gutts, but isn’t Gutts’ misery what this Manga is all about?
September 27th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
u sure are right… and that make me think again… that beach child.. well.. “Berserk” isn’t named “Guts Chronicles” or something.. maybe in the future.. the storyline will pass to that child.. and as i said in comment 46.. guts will die..
September 27th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
@ Quirinus:
Crete is a real island in the middle of the Meditteranean sea. Just like Sicily, where Roderick is from, and Cypress. Atlantis, if it did exist, would have blown up like Krakatoa in around 1000 BC. Berserk is based in the beginning of the 15th century AD, at least this part is. Atlantis is long gone. Oh yeah, more stuff I figured out: Guts is German, Caska Spanish, and Griffith French. Serpico and Farnesse are obviously Italian. I don’t know about Ishidro. He’s probably Spanish, maybe even Swiss. He is blonde.
September 27th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
@ The Herald: pretty insightful. As far as the island of Crete being Elfhelm though, don’t try and connect every place in the real world with the world of Berserk. Just because Miura takes things from ancient history does not mean he goes out of his way to make sure every place matches up. I could be totally wrong, but I’m betting his intention is NOT to have the world of Berserk mirror our own as closely as possible.
September 27th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
Herald:
Rodrick isn’t from Sicily, I thought he was from Ys (which is the name of a mythical city that sunk beneath the sea in Breton legend). If I’m wrong, give me the chapter, please! So far, “Berserk” has had no real places (although some are obviously based on real onces, like Kushan, and I think Midland is sort of like Germany…).
Krazyivan:
Nobody should be as muscle-bound as Guts. I think he’s like half-supernatural after surviving the Eclipse, it affected him somehow. Just my theory.
Everyone:
About Griffith and Caska… I remember the expression on her face when he brutally raped her during the Eclipse… I don’t think there’s going to be any love left there if she regains her sanity, unless she goes in /massive/ denial. (The female perspective ^_~)
September 27th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
maybe the kid from the beach is the hanafubuku king… maybe, since he’s an elf hero he’ll probably look different from all the others elves or have special powers.
…unlikely, but thats just what I’m guessing. after all the kid does look too human. and still, think about it, what was up with the whale he summoned to the beach.
September 27th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
oh wait nevermind about the whale i forgot it was just the seemonster, hehe
September 27th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
@Herald,
Do you realize how wrong you are about…well, just about -everything-?
Berserk does not take place in the 15th Century. It doesn’t even take place on -Earth-. Ishidro’s hair is red, not blond, and none of the characters have any of the nationalities yous spoke of. Miura wrote Berserk outside of the “real” world for this reason, he even said so himself that doing so would hinder the direction the series could go in.
So to put it shortly, it take places on something akin to middle earth in tolkien mythos, and just about everything you said holds no place in the events of the manga or Midland.
September 28th, 2007 at 1:34 am
Daichii, I don’t think that Miura would kill of Guts. He’s the person that defined the story of the manga, about a struggler fighting against all odds to survive. Killing him would be like killing off Spider Man, or Captain Amer…oh.
KrazyIvan, while I agree with you that Miura is the best mangaka in the world, perhaps the muscles are still functioning properly because he uses it a lot to lug around the goddamn cannon. While I was surprised that no stump was formed, it seemed that it was a clean cut rather than being torn away. I don’t major in amputee anatomy so I can’t rightfully answer it. Anyway, as far as we know, the biological functions and physics in Berserk may be similar but might not conform with our real world, so who knows?
September 28th, 2007 at 3:58 am
I hope guts won’t hurt himself or anyone else if his inner beast breaks free. If that happens, maybe seing caska will have some effect…. maybe
September 28th, 2007 at 7:56 am
Has anyone noticed what I’m noticing?
It seems to me like Gutts is currently following a path that Griffith had followed before him, where he’s gaining people in his group that really connect with him on a deep level and want to aid him in whatever he wants to do – his ‘dream.’ Not to mention how Gutts has now formed his own sort of ‘animal’ that represents him, sort of how Griffith always wore that helmet that looked like the head of a hawk in comparison to Gutts’ dog/fox helm.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:24 am
GUTS THINK ABOUT GRIFFITH, NOW GO AND KILL SOME PIRATE SKUM!
September 28th, 2007 at 8:56 am
Raw is out.
next chapter is Nov 9th D:
September 28th, 2007 at 9:49 am
Nov 9th!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Well, at least the raw’s out, can’t wait for the scan!
September 28th, 2007 at 10:08 am
aaaawww shit… long wait uuh? well what the heck… we’ve been doing this for years…
September 28th, 2007 at 10:20 am
-It’s only 11 days from now, so it’s bearable.
-On ch290 there’a good amount of dialogue, look forward to it.
-On ch291 story will shift back where we left G.
-New volume 32 will be out on november 29.
September 28th, 2007 at 11:35 am
“-It’s only 11 days from now, so it’s bearable.”
How is November 9th 11 days from September 28th?
Eldo:
If Guts dies, it’ll be at the very end, after he kills Griffith and saves the world.
Rofls:
Problem is, Guts would have to sacrifice the person is most important to him, which, let’s face it, is Caska. But she’s already been an offering, so she wouldn’t be accepted.
September 28th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
You’re missing a month there, guren no kishi.
September 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
i thought the next after 290 is november 9th
September 28th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
you are missing a month, like october.
September 28th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
I know that the world of Berserk isn’t the real world, but the mirrors help you understand the characters better, and their motivation. I understand that Ys is a legendary city, but in Berserk it’s an island. Anyways, just use some logic. Roderick is a courtier in Vritannis (aka Rome) which is the centre of the Vatican and the Holy See. The Holy See is an old word for the Catholic Church. Midland is obviously France, because it was in a war for 100 years with Tudor. HELLO, TUDOR! What was the name of the royal house that ruled England in the 15th century, aka 1400s? The Kushan invasions did happen at one point, but not right after the 100 years war. The world of Berserk is not the real world, but man is it close. One of the reasons that Berserk takes so long, other than the story and the drawings, is the research. If Miura didn’t mean for it to be based in the 15th century, then Roderick’s ship would be long and sleek, like the ones featured in POTC. But it’s stall and stocky, just the way the ships would have been. Guts is from Germany, though he is only coincidentally similar to the German General Goetz with the metal arm, because he was a mercenary during the 100 years war. He wasn’t born in Midland (aka France), but Griffith was. There’s a chance that Guts is a gypsy, or a jew, and that’s why his mother was hung. Casca is probably French, or Spanish, something like that, because she was born on the mountain range between between France and Spain. There is another mountain range between France and Switzerland, but I’m guessing from her skin color it’s the divider between Spain and France. Serpico and Farnesse are probably from the northern part of the Holy Empire, (northern Italy, southern Switzerland). Ishidro is the most difficult to place because he is the least known about. I’ve seen his hair brown, red, and blonde. Mostly a ruddy brown. That color suggests that he may be Gypsy, or maybe French. This is all speculatory of course, but the second that Miura used the 100 years war reference he placed his world in conjunction with our own. Though, because of his many levels of the world, this could be the real part and other parts of his that don’t make sense are just from another world. Kind of like how fullmetal alchemist is based in another version of the 1920s, where the war in Ishbal was WWI in our world. Elfhelm is most likely not going to be a real island, even in the story it may not be real. It is an island of elves. And, to anyone who thinks I’m wrong, look at the evidence yourself. I’m not saying that Berserk is in the real world, because all of the royals aren’t correct, but man is it close.
September 28th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
^^oh my, you’re right.
“Only” 42 days left…
September 28th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
it’s quite a gap isn’t it? haha
September 28th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
From Kentaro Miura interview: I see. I’d like to talk about a little more about the concept. The timeline in Berserk seems to be sometime in the medieval period. It has the whole medieval theme, like it’s happening somewhere in Europe. Is there any real historical events you based Berserk on?
Not really, I don’t really use specific historical events but rather I use fairy tales or fantasy movies. I’ve been working on the concept of my own fantasy world since I was in high school and college. Like I mentioned, I got ideas from Guin Saga, and from films, like “Excalibur” and “Conan the Barbarian.” I came up with the dark fantasy concept from those movies. I don’t think I get inspired by the actual historical events. I simply used them as data…
September 28th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
oh yea, and Miura found out about Goetz the german after he already published a few chapters of berserk, it’s in his interview as well.
September 28th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
“Vritannis (aka Rome) which is the centre of the Vatican and the Holy See. ”
Vritannis is not Rome. Otherwise, why was the pope traveling to it from the Hole See? I thought Vritannis was more like Spain or Greece, and Ys something like Britain (it’s mentioned as being in the north, I do believe.. I’ll need to check that).
You’re reading way too much into the Tudor/Chudor thing. Yes, absolutely, Berserk-world is based off of Medieval Europe, and it’s obvious that Miura got his ideas from that time period. But he’s totaly messed with them. Example: “Albion” (an old name for Britain) is not an island! And why need Midland be France? I think Germany is an equally good possibility, although why either of them would have “Rhinos” is beyond me!
September 28th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
vashfanatic: Vritannis is the country they are in right? Then it’s Spain. You can see it when he fights the servant of the Christian woman in around the columns. The columns are famous and are located in Spain, they are made by the Arabians that took over the area for a while but they were driven out and a large piece of Arabian architecture remained behind.
And I agree with you. Although he used certain things from our history he mostly used it for motivation and he used to make the story more awesome, not to make it historically accurate. He takes different things that you can find clues about if you look but he also mixes things up to make them more exciting and to cover the gaps of excitement in history.
For instance, the plague is seen AFTER the great war in Berserk, but the war was actually paused until the plague ended because of how the plague ravaged the population.
September 28th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Spiderbait:
I’d totally forgotten about the column scene! (shouldn’t have, it involves Serpico and I am freakin’ obsessed with him) It looks a lot like the Alhambra.
September 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
I don’t think Caska will end up being the same after she’s healed. I think she will be just as messed up, but maybe able to put her own clothes on. Guts will be even more emo, but maybe Farnese can get some loving out of it. She seems like the kind of girl that likes nearly having her nipples bitten off. How the hell do you pronounce Schierke anyway?
September 28th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
It just awesome how this history has evolved i just have to put a little more patience to hold on chapter to chapter its terrible to wait but is always worth i hope the beasty release itself and kill everyone on board xD
September 28th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
How interesting, that even the filler segments of Berserk can be so captivating. Speaking of Serpico, it would seem that he has somewhat filled the void that was left in the story when Griffith retired all pretenses of chivalry and gave in entirely to his ambition. I know I always croon relentlessly on the matter, but there is nothing I would enjoy more than a duel between the two master fencers, Griffith and Serpico, seeing as how their styles are so similar.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
@greydeath
I believe Schierke is either pronounced like the English shirk, but who knows.
And people, stop calling non-main events filler. I am pretty sure that that pirate they encountered(once again) will play a role later in the story.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
vashfanatic: Wikied Alhambra but couldn’t see any pictures of the the room with the columns in it so it might not be that one. But my memory is a little hazy when it comes to the columns (all I remember clearly is that they were situated in Spain) so it might be that.
greydeath: I think that the king will give her back her memory but she will want to have it taken away again. Gatts will be devastated but agree to it but afterwards Caska will be a little warmer towards him.
And I’m pretty sure the boy on the beach was the king.
September 28th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Actually I never thought of a battle between Serpico and Griffith, since Griffith is Guts’ nemesis. However I thought about Serpico vs that kushan guy Guts defeated before the first eclipse, they are both strategists, light fighters, the kushan guy uses many weapons and we saw serpico using Guts weapons against him in that cliff
September 28th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
People: the colums you’re mentioning belong to the Mosque of Cordoba in Spain.
http://www.onemanga.com/Berserk/256/10-11/
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Mosque_Cordoba.jpg
But in another panel we see the Palazzo Vecchio at the Piazza della Signoria in Florence
http://www.onemanga.com/Berserk/255/01/
http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/photos/2006/12/italy_florence_Piazza_della_Signoria_tall_01.jpg
So Vritannis is just generically-European rather than any particular country.
BTW: I have tried to locate the reference for the ballroom, but the only thing I can say is that it’s not Versailles — the ceiling is totally different.
September 28th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
The columns belong to the Mosque of Cordoba in Spain, a spiffy Umayyad building. But at the beginning of ch255 you can see very clearly the tower of the Palazzo Vecchio in the Piazza della Signoria in Florence, so Vritannis ends up more like a mishmash of European cities rather than just one of them.
(I’ve tried to locate the reference for the ballroom. It’s *not* the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles).
September 28th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
I suppose that would be an interesting battle as well, though I have considered that Silas (I think that’s his name) will favor Guts’ side to the band of the hawk (Call me crazy, but he seems more privy to the ways of Griffith than some of his counterparts)
September 28th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
No way the kid on the beach was the king or anyone else other than Gutts’ and Casca’s kid – take a look at how protective Casca was of him, and also how, when the kid fell and was caught by both Gutts and Casca they ‘really looked like a family’. The kid looks different than when last we saw him because he’s been reborn, along with Griffith.
Aslo, I gotta say something about the differences that exist between Gutts and Griffith, and Serpico and Griffith. Griffith was fated to become what he became. Always he was spoken of as someone that stepped out of a painting, a legend made flesh. He was the most amazing of men, the sort that are born only once in a millenium. His swordplay was perfect, but then again, everything about him was. The second time that he and Gutts fought (when Gutts left the Bang of the Hawk) was the first time that Griffith ever lost, and one might argue the only time he ever lost. Later, his capture following his little encounter with Charlotte was due not to the greatness of the King (or anyone else), but to his own folly; he defeated himself. Additionally, that folly was framed by his defeat at the hands of Gutts, and can be seen as an extension of it. Gutts is the only one that has ever had any power over Griffith and Griffith’s willingness to simply give up Gutts as a sacrifice (when he had in the past risked his life for him) was a monumental step in becoming Femto.
Now let’s look at Gutts in the present. He has followers that follow him because of the strength of his character and the force of his personality, and to some extent, because of love. They are not following ‘his dream’. In return, Gutts cares for them and at one point was startled to realize that he has companions again, just like when he was the Captain of the Hawk’s Raiders. He is using no one. Interestingly, Griffith was a cold and ambitious user, but this need for personal strength and isolation ended up robbing him of his humanity. Gutts is also engaged in a struggle for his humanity, depicted in large part by his little black doggy. It is his companions and the compassion he feels towards them that helps him keep it chained up. When he was alone, he was the Black Swordsman.
Serpico, finally, is even less like Griffith. He cares only for Farnese. He keeps to himself, but his raison d’etre is Farnese. He in no way embodies any of the traits of Griffith, there is no leadership, greatness, ambition – nothing. Serpico’s desire is to be a satellite to Farnese whereas Griffith was the Sun, nay, the centre of the universe, about which everything revolved.
One final note about the historical parallels as well. It seems to me that Miura borrows heavily from Medieval Europe (duh!) and so its no wonder that he would use many of the cultures and religions from there rather than create his own. For one thing, its a helluvalottta work to create new religions and cultures, so it’s a LOT easier to just borrow, and many of the greatest fantasy writers have done just that (actually, the truly ‘original’ fantasy worlds in novels that i’ve read have tended to be rather superficial). Also, it gives a reader of the sense of the atmosphere in which things are going on. We see Vritanis, which is soooo much like Rome with its Catholic Church (and notice the similarity between Farnese’s father and the Medicis?), and we get a sense of it – Miura doesn’t have to try and explain how everything works. So, yeah, there are a lot of similarities and I think we’ll see many more cultures, religions and locations lifted from the pages of history. But he did not mould his world over Western Europe, he simply borrowed elements here and there, and stuick them in willy-nilly where it suited his fancy. We cannot infer realtionships like that between England, France and Germany in Berserk, and we definately cannot use our own history to try and predict what will happen in Berserk. So, even though I really respect the amount of work that went into your postings, Herald, and the thought as well, I think you are on the wrong track with your analogies; the relationships that you outline are, I believe, spurious. But keep up the good work!
September 28th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
hmm i don’t know which words are banned.. but almost in every comment i can’t post it haha..
well… ElfHel(l)m will twist everything for good or bad.. maybe griffith’s already burn it down we don’t know.. Caska is gonna regain her memories that IS for sure
someone said that.. she won’t love griffith.. i dunno.. she was enjoying the rape too.. remember what the god hand said? Love-Hate-Jealosy-Pasion all melt 2gether, or summit…
im sure that gutts will be like Skull Knight.. i don’t know why…
September 28th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
TO WHOEVER:
I meant the similarity between Serpico and Griffith in their styles of dueling, not similarities of identity. One could argue that if you really want to know the style of a man, you must face each other in a duel. Serpico and Griffith are two great men of far different ideals, BUT one thing that they have in common, in spades, is their devotion to their ideals; Griffith steamrolled anything that could get in the way of him and his Earthly dominion, and Serpico would mercilessly do away with anyone that he felt disturbed the will of Farnese. Compare Griffith’s early duel with Guts upon Guts’ conscription into the Band of the Hawk and Serpico’s tactics in the room of columns, as well as way back when on the side of the cliff in Albion when he found some spare time to duel with Guts. THAT is why I want to see that match, two saber fencers of legendary ability utilizing only their tactical logic and their steel.
September 28th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
No, I believe that Guts will NOT turn out like the skull knight… that is what makes him special. He will not let the beast totally consume him. If it did, and he turned into a skull knight, Guts’ story would be over, and he would have “failed” by turning into a skull knight. Regardless, he is the “champion” of humankind, their avatar. He is the balancing power on the side of humanity against the overwhelming odds of the God Hand and their countless apostles.
September 28th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
AAAAAAAH I WANT TO SEE IT!! an endless battle with apostles, standing wherever you see, trying to steal a mouthful of flesh of Gutts torn up body…
nothing but hatred and violence… it’s been like forever since i see something like that in berserk…
September 28th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
Aahhhh i really want to see it! an endless battle with apostles, standing wherever you see, trying to steal a mouthful of flesh of Gutts torn up body…
nothing but hatred and violence… it’s been like forever since i see something like that in berserk…
man.. a think the chapter is almost ready to be released… and i can’t wait any longer
September 29th, 2007 at 12:33 am
Thats Guts, the one-armed, one-eyed monster.
September 29th, 2007 at 1:07 am
Hmmm… looking over the last chapter, it seems that all of the ladies on board the love boat lost it when they heard Guts say that Caska is his woman. I thought that it was Griffith’s job to woo the ladies.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:28 am
Spiderbait: I agree that I think the kid was the king. Schierke despite her impressive track record is still inexperienced, and she was checking out things far away even as an student. It makes perfect sense that the King of the elves would be watching things from afar too. After all, the witch of the wood got attacked. Griffith will attack anyone that has the power to stop his dream or just interfere for that matter. So any intelligent possible foe of the hawk would be very careful and be doing some recon. I think Griffith at least has some of Caska and Guts’ child within him so I don’t buy it that the beach kid was their son.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:52 am
@ Whoever
I guess it didn’t translate well, but that’s what I meant. I didn’t mean that Berserk was in the real world, but that it helps to understand the world of Berserk if we look at the elements that were used to create it. I just know that Miura is doing research, otherwise in the last episode he wouldn’t have had Roderick explaining his whole strategy. I personally am so enthralled by Guts that I want to understand him in every way, including before his birth. I’m just in a lot of history classes, so this is what I do. Thanks for not shooting me down at the first moment.
Now, for other things, the Elf King, if he’s anything like Evarella or Puck, would probably have huge power but be a little off. Plus, he’s the king of the Elves, why would he be interested in the lives of humans? Though, he could have sent Puck or Evarella to keep an eye on him, even without their knowing. He also could want Guts to defeat Griffith because the Elf King would be the exact opposite of the God Hand, good and not feeding off of human fear. But hey, what do I know, right? I’m just curious to see what the Elf King looks like.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:52 am
you might have something there. It’s nice that you’re figuring it out, but I’ve had better experiences letting the story evolve itself without trying to figure it out. Example: The Sixth Sense.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:47 am
Where is my Berserk chapter, omg i cant stand it ….where is it …..where have i lost it……noooooooooo
Just kiding, take your time. The more it takes the bether its translated and cleaned.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:53 am
Whoever:
“and notice the similarity between Farnese’s father and the Medicis?”
The Medicis were in Florence, which would fit with what sukeban noted above.
Second, I repeat, the Vatican is not headquartered in Vritanis! The pope was headed there from the Holy See!
Finally, my guess would be the Vandimions have houses everywhere, recall how Farnese grew up practically alone because her family was elsewhere.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:39 am
In Berserk the Vatican is not an actual city, as it is an organization, with its head in the Holy See (Holy city?), which is very similar to Rome, mixed with Gothic styled buildings.
The Elf King looks like the one in The story of Pirkaf… in the saga of Jill and the “Elven Queen”.
Good work Sukeban.
Same to Evil-Genius Team.
Phireo
September 29th, 2007 at 9:24 am
The king of the elves would be very interested in that particular group of humans. Since he is on the other end of the spectrum to the God Hand, he would most likely know if another member of that group came to be. Two survivors of Femto’s ascendancy would draw attention from that camp. Considering how both elves of the party are unreliable it would make lots of since for the king to be checking up on things. The guise of a child, screams the work of the Fae. Classically, the fae aren’t known for brute force, but trickery, disguise, and illusion are hallmarks of the ‘fair folk’. Why fight Gatorzilla when you can just make him ignore you. I know I’m drawing from various bits of fiction and lore, but I think it makes sense.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:39 am
My assumptions about the hidden storyline of the past we haven’t read yet is that in the begining Casca carried the child of Guts before the eclipse.After the eclipse she carried also the child of Femto wich she gave birth unnaturaly soon .Because actually it takes 9 months for the child to be born normaly.But given the fact that it was born so quickly,imediately after the eclipse,means
that it was indeed a demon child from a demon itself.At the same time while Casca carries also the child of
Guts in her.It gives birth to that child after 9 months during the 2 years time Guts was away from Casca.
You may wonder if it is possible to carry a second child from a different person? Well I believe it is possible
even if it is not natural because,after all,we are talking about a demon baby.As the story continues it seems
to me,maybe after the child of Guts was born during that period of time Casca might have lost the child due to her condition of he memory loss and because she was caought prisoner by slave sellers,as we have allready seen.After the boy becomes about two years old Guts and Casca meets him on the shore.As for the big coincidence that ocurred to meeting their child on the same shore they were,I can only connect that to the fact that also the demon baby appeared instictivly to Casca at nights during the 2 years time and
protected her from the other demons,that is why I can conclude that the kid was looking for Casca on the shore instictivly in the same way the demon child did.
Continuing the assumptions I believe in the future Casca will gain her memory loss and realise somehow that she had Guts child born sometime in the past and the elve king will reveal to her who that child is by telling them that it is the one they meet on the shore.Afterwards Casca’s and Gut’s purpose of life I guess will be to retrieve their child from the dangerous nation they left him in.I don’t believe that Casca will hate Guts when she will gain her memory back
on the contrary i believe she will scold him,for leaving her again,as she has done it in the past when he left
the band of the hawks,but eventually she will not hate him.After all the band of Guts and Casca can only hope to defeat the reborn Grifith or Femto with their hordes of apostles only if they are united,like they once were to save Grifith,only that this time they might go to defeat him.
Anyway I hope I haven’t become a spoiler or anything… after all these are just assumptions I concluded on
given the past facts of the storyline we have seen until now.As everyone of course I’m waiting to see the unfolding
of the true story to come.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:40 am
Something extremely odd happened to me yesterday, during the biology class. I was so bored that I was almost sleeping when I suddenly heard the name “Griffith”. When I opened my eyes and looked at the blackboard I saw that “Griffith” was written on it and I said to myself “What the heck! since when is my teacher a Berserk fan???” only to later discover that Griffith was a pioneer in genetics (1928…), a very very important researcher as my teacher said. Is it possible that Miura named Griffith after this guy? The spelling is exactly the same and most of the inspiration for Berserk came from medieval Europe right ?
September 29th, 2007 at 10:45 am
Everyone keeps referring to the holy see, the seat of the pope, as the holy city and in turn as Rome. But I heard in a History channel episode about the black plague that the pope was actually situated in Avignon in France between 1309 to 1377 (You can read about it on this wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon#Avignon_and_its_Popes).
Couldn’t just as well be Avignon?
September 29th, 2007 at 11:27 am
Guys any news on the raw…?
September 29th, 2007 at 11:36 am
Raw is cleaned and ready for translation, mystic is hard at work.
September 29th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Spiderbait: hmm… that’s an interesting idea!
September 29th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
We should schedule some chat sessions for berserk on the IRC channel. Why… I’d even bring chips and soda! And don’t forget the rage! The black, all-consuming rage!
September 29th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Thanks guys for all the hard work and dedication towards bringing the people Berserk translations. I am truely grateful and I don’t think any of you even realise how great an importance this is to us. Can’t wait for The newest berserk chapter to be released = )
September 29th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
@Daichii: “someone said that.. she won’t love griffith.. i dunno.. she was enjoying the rape too.. remember what the god hand said? Love-Hate-Jealosy-Pasion all melt 2gether, or summit…”
How the hell was she enjoying the rape? She was in tears the whole time, and what made it most for me: She begged Guts not to look at it because of the shame. And the Love-Hate-Jealousy-Passion thing. Well Love was obviously Guts and Caska. Hate was Guts and Griffith. Jealousy was Griffith, because he couldn’t have Guts. And Passion would be Griffith to I think or Guts, both for Caska in that Moment.
And I don’t think that Caska if/when she regains her memory would love Griffith. Before Guts came she may have been in love with Griffith but Guts changed that. Though she still Worshipped him kinda lika a God, she fell in love with Guts. And she only wanted to stay with Griffith before the eclipse because he was so mutilated and weak. He is/was her hero after all, who saved her from becoming a whore for some Aristocrat.
September 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
>How the hell was she enjoying the rape?
Well, she was.. mmm.. leaking (big time!) =) And that only happens if a person enjoys the process you know.. =))
And she was crying, because Guts was there and well, I guess it wasn’t exactly how she pictured sex with Griffith before =) Well, you know.. girls… =))
September 29th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
Aaaaaaaaaa…
Can’t wait!!! Reading all the speculations, has made it even more unbearable…
By the way, we might not be saying it enough but… Thank you soooo much to all the EG team!!! m(_ _)m
September 29th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Yeah… which girl wouldn’t enjoy watchinng all her comrades die, be surrounded by a lot of apostles, see the guy she loved with no arm and eye, be raped by some demonish guy in the middle of all those monsters…it must be a dream to any girl, of course she was enjoying…not! Think a little about the real situation, do you really think she could be having pleasure in that situation?
September 29th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
@Trigun I think you are completely wrong. the thing with 2 babies is not possible. You made too many assumptions and the supposition that she gave birth to guts child during those 2 years, and than she somehow lost him/her is wrong. During that time she was in godos’ cave, the one in which she was protected by the evil spirits because of the elves that use to live there. She was always with that little girl (forgot her name). The only time she got lost alone was right when guts came back. In any case, no matter when during that 2 year period of time had she given birth, the baby would have been too young to be able to run away by himself. Besides, the first x month babies eat milk so she must have given him milk. Anyway, there are way to many things to say about this, that would show there is no way she could have given birth to a second(guts’) child. The one that she gave birth to, just after the eclipse was guts’ child, only modified by the evil of griffith. Like the kushan warrior monsters. In vol 27 chapter 7 there is someone who explains how they make their army of monsters: pregnant women were introduced in that “soup” of apostles chained together alive and filled with amniotic fluid, and the child in the pregnant woman immediately came out as an evil monster. Most probably something similar happened to the child of guts and caska when griffith raped her.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Glad to hear that, psi and good job mystic…
=)
September 29th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
>>How the hell was she enjoying the rape?
>Well, she was.. mmm.. leaking (big time!) =) And that only happens if a person enjoys the process you know.. =))
And she was crying, because Guts was there and well, I guess it wasn’t exactly how she pictured sex with Griffith before =) Well, you know.. girls… =))
If you think about it Caska has become the largest cock blocker in Berserk history. I must be hard for Guts’ to swing around his 2nd sword around with such a burden (you know, night… astral dead things.. blah blah)
I’m pretty sure that Puck has seen horrible, horrible things. Things worse than the constant rape… if you can think beyond that.
September 29th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
>Well, she was.. mmm.. leaking (big time!) =) And that only happens if a person enjoys the process you know.. =))
Arto, I think it might be a little too quick to assume that those fluids belonged Caska. Not knowing too much about demon anatomy, I don’t think it would be too much of a stretch(no pun intended) to say that Griffith could have been responsible for the majority of those fluids. There are stranger things in the Berserk universe.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Actually I think that Caska both did and didn’t enjoy it. It wasn’t a normal rape but a rape by a demon that she had loved and had turned into one of the most powerful beings in the world with unbeatable charisma. There’s no way that with all that power, the love and the charisma that she wouldn’t be enjoying it. But she also loved Gatts and that with the fact that she knew the rape was wrong made her cry.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Almost forgot, is there an ETA on Berserk? I’ve been waiting for two days now (it’s 10 pm, 29 sept where I live right now) and even after waiting for half a month it’s driving me insane.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Mystyc_Vegeta: I didn’t knew about the kushan warriors thing i might have mised it,thanks,if it is so then it explains some facts that had happened in the past.But still
that 2 years time that Casca left alone still remains a mystery and somehow I think it has to do something with the child.If we learn about that gap of history then I think the whereabouts of the kid will be reveiled.
September 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
:Trigun: Its not really a mystery. if you pay close attention to the story, Casca lived in a mine close to Godo. This mine used to be the home of elves and contained strong magic that protects the people living inside it. Casca was save outside during the day and spend her time in the shelter of the cave at night
September 29th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
guys you coment to much…
September 29th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
How can you assume without evidence, firstly, that that child was so omnipresent in Caska’s life in those two years, and secondly, that the child is still linked to Griffith? I think that there ample evidence that points to the child being free from Griffith’s control, and that he is no longer bound to Griffith or to the evil in which he was conceived. I feel that, aside from the child helping Guts and Caska, much less taking such an interest in them, much as a child would idolize their parents at such an early age, the evidence that supports the idea of the child being free from Griffith’s will is most clearly seen at the field of swords confrontation between Griffith and Guts. It is here that Griffith reveals that the part of his new body that would feel emotions for Guts and Caska, In other words the true nature of the child, was no longer present within him. I suspect that the child traded places with Griffith, in a matter of speaking. While Griffith then had a body suited for the mortal realm as a result of the child, the child might now have a body suited for the astral realm, the realities beyond the interstice. I also expect that the evil nature of the child was transfered into Griffith through Griffith’s sacrifice of the child. That boy on the beach, which by no means acted evil, is most probably the child of Guts and Caska in his new form.
September 29th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Umm, any ETA on the chapter yet?half a month man!been waiting for ages!Cant wait to see the beast come loose (if it does?!)
September 29th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
>>How the hell was she enjoying the rape?
>>Well, she was.. mmm.. leaking (big time!) =) And that only happens if a person enjoys the process you know.. =))
And she was crying, because Guts was there and well, I guess it wasn’t exactly how she pictured sex with Griffith before =) Well, you know.. girls… =))
>>If you think about it Caska has become the largest cock blocker in Berserk history. I must be hard for Guts’ to swing around his 2nd sword around with such a burden (you know, night… astral dead things.. blah blah)
I’m pretty sure that Puck has seen horrible, horrible things. Things worse than the constant rape… if you can think beyond that.
September 29th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
My impression of the child was that he was Caska and Guts’. You see, the manga world and anime world of Berserk are much different. There is a possibility that the night Caska and Guts shared may have been a few months before the eclipse. Anyways, Femto poisoned the fetus when he raped Caska. She was probably poisoned too. You know, demon mind alteration poinson (can’t think of a better word than poison right now). That could be one of the reasons Caska lost her memory. Once the baby was poisoned by the demon, he was half a demon himself. He wasn’t griffith’s child in any way, just manipulated by him because he was a godhand demon. That’s why he always helped Guts, and followed him around. Guts is his father, and the baby knew it. The wierd Behelit apostle guy who ate the baby did so because it exuded a force that attracted him. The Behelit demon’s job as an apostle was to give Griffith a body, or at least the building blocks for it. As the godhand, Griffith no longer had a body in the real world, and needed one. The baby is now the same way. He is now a being of a point between the abyss where the godhand resides and the real world. He could possibly be like Puck, where only people who can see things could see him. All of the crew knew and accepted puck, then they could accept the child. I believe he’s just doing what he always did, following Guts around, making sure he’s doing okay.
September 29th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Yeah, that’s… sort of my point, and yet sort of not. Again, we can’t know for certain what Kentarou Miura intends to do with the child, or if he intends to explain the child’s existence and connection to Guts and Caska. I believe that this could in actuality be an Achilles’ Heel for Griffith, as perhaps utilizing a mortal as a host for the renaissance ceremony may entail new mortal weaknesses that he had not possessed as Femto; for example, It will likely be far easier to approach, or Idea of God forbid, kill Griffith now that he has a mortal body again. The point is also that I can’t really see how Griffith can possibly increase in power, taking into consideration that he most likely has made enormous sacrifices in taking mortal form; Griffith’s power draws from the abyss, much like any of the apostles and the Godhand. Guts and Caska, on the other hand, are mortals that have not beings of the abyss and have not made a behelit pact, yet with their prolonged exposure to the innermost tier of the abyss, they (I would assume the same would eventually be true for Caska as is true of Guts) seem to grow more powerful almost in an exponential manner, and they have none of the weaknesses that beings tied to the abyss and the Idea of God do. SO, long story short, I believe that as Griffith will maintain whatever ungodly level of power he has, Caska and Guts will become increasingly and unnaturally powerful, likely surpassing Griffith and his appostles who are out of their niche.
I would also theorize that this unnatural growth of ability, this effect of exposure to the innermost abyss, affects those closely allign themselves with either Guts and Caska or with Griffith and his minions, thus the growth in ability we see in Guts’ band and Griffiths Neo-Band of the Hawk. I would like to think that perhaps it ties into the “Radiance” or “Warmth” that so many people see and seek in Griffith in his new form, and the effects that it has had on those who surround him. Note of course that, if such hypothesis were correct, Griffith would have transcended the interstice with the proverbial mother lode of this energy, and thus is a far more visible source than Guts or Caska are.
Anywho, just theories.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
dammit.. my comment get sucked again.. well i’ll write it down again..
Caska’s Rape..
1. The fluids were hers..
2. She told gutts not to look coz she was ashamed of herself for being raped in front of gutts and enjoying it at the same time…
3. She was sweating.. blushing.. moaning.. i mean.. come on!!! isn’t that being honry?
4. what’s more.. she kissed him!!!!!!! (and a french kiss too…)
i don’t know why gutts still loves her after that.. or do you think that is only the sense of responsability or guilty is what gutts feel right now?
September 29th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Legato Bluesummers Says: How can you assume without evidence, firstly, that that child was so omnipresent in Caska’s life in those two years, and secondly, that the child is still linked to Griffith? I think that there ample evidence that points to the child being free from Griffith’s control, and that he is no longer bound to Griffith or to the evil in which he was conceived.
Actually I would think that there no real evidence and only small hints that could be interpreted a number of ways and therefore I think I’ll have to point to Russel’s teapot (use wikipedia).
Legato Bluesummers Says: Guts and Caska, on the other hand, are mortals that have not beings of the abyss and have not made a behelit pact, yet with their prolonged exposure to the innermost tier of the abyss, they (I would assume the same would eventually be true for Caska as is true of Guts) seem to grow more powerful almost in an exponential manner, and they have none of the weaknesses that beings tied to the abyss and the Idea of God do.
Umm… Wasn’t Gatts pretty powerful before the eclipse and simply grew even more powerful through the constant fighting that has been happening afterwards? Although you might be right since the demons all crave him (they could all easily just kill someone else, why would they go after someone that has been specifically marked?) and there must be a reason behind that. Maybe it’s that they get some kind of power that manifests itself more over time. And we also see Caska slaughter a few guys under the tree (before Gatts almost rapes her)and although I thought at the time that that was simply her old instincts taking over to protect her it makes a bit of sense that that was somekind of power.
And it’s 3 am, 30 sept now and I would really like to know how far away the manga is from being translated.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
I maintain that Caska, when she does become fully conscious again, will want to set off for vengeance, as she will be absolutely livid that she was betrayed and raped by Griffith, that Guts struggled for her sake without any real gratification save her continued safety, and that Griffith took her child away from her for use as a sacrifice. I believe that Guts’ first reaction will be to desire nothing more than a peaceful existence at her side (perhaps his inner demon by that time will be vanquished) and he will try to convince her not to pursue vengeance and to just settle somewhere. Caska will probably bring her brand of sense to the table once more and argue that she was wronged by Griffith, and that unlike Guts, she has remained traumatized by the eclipse, incapable of confronting Griffith as Guts has. I think that she will fiercely set out on her own to confront Griffith, and for the sake of looking out for her and being with her, Guts will accompany her, but not as the fierce, rash and violent man she once knew. I, too, believe that their child will pose a possibility for a continuation of the storyline after the issue with Griffith is resolved, and if that isn’t to be, I am fairly certain that he will play a major role in this storyline, as will the entirety of Guts’ band.
September 29th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Guts and Caska are hunted by demons specifically because of the mark, they say in the manga that the brand draws evil toward it, thats why Guts locked Caska up in the cave for two years because for some reason demons could not sense the brand inside it.
Guts has always been powerful, he never become more powerful by nearly becoming sacrificed, though I would say indirectly it caused him to become stronger. When he got his Dragon sword he was already able to wield it fairly easily, and years of swinging something that large for such a long time would definitely increase his strength, but the main reason he is able to take on demons now is because he is being constantly attacked by apparitions (some of which he might only be able to see because of the brand), his sword has been infused with a lot of weak evil energies. This huge amount of weak forces combined turned his otherwise normal sword into a magical sword that can injure the demons more easily, even to the point where he can cut normally uncuttable demons.
As for the baby, I’m pretty sure from the manga that the baby was Guts and Caska’s, and when Griffith raped her as a demon it caused her to miscarriage, infusing the fetus and creating the demon baby. The baby has never acted in any other way than to hunt it’s parents, Caska and Guts, and appears to want to cause harm to them. Something happened to the baby after Guts started on the journey with Caska, I can’t remember exactly what but with this manga there is really no way to know if we’ll ever see it again or not.
September 29th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
I am aware, to say the least, of Bertrand Russel’s rather poignant analogy, but I fail to see how your mention of it denotes anything other than what I have already asserted in that we can only make assumptions, and not disprove assumptions regarding ambiguous, indefinite, obscure, or future matters of the Berserk plot, and thus my opinion as I have afore stated is merely assertional using my interpretations of events within the storyline that I indulged in so far. I, and a great many other people, have read every word, and reveled in every image of Berserk to this point (For which I believe constant thanks and a fair amount of worship is due to both Kentarou Miura and the Evil Genius consortium) and all that we are left to do is enjoy what we have read, eagerly anticipate future chapters, and speculate using what information we can utilize from what we have read. As such is true, I believe that your usage of Bertrand Russel’s analogy is misplaced, and strangely enough, contrary to the analogy of Russel’s teapot, even supposedly definite components of Berserk’s storyline are often ambiguous and open to hypothesis. At any rate, I anticipate, or “Speculate”, that this next chapter and those in the immediate future will tie many a loose end together in this storyline; As mentioned by Rau LeCrueset, we might very well see the banishment of Guts’ inner demon, or perhaps Caska posesses one as well, and two demons will find solace in each other’s presence…
September 29th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
I’m pretty sure Caska enjoyed the rape. if the fluids weren’t enough there was the drool and passing out at the end.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:13 am
Firstly, I’d like to thank the distributors and translators for doing such an excellent job on Berserk. Truly Evil Geniuses.
Secondly, the theories and possibilities are interesting for both Guts and Casca. Just let the story pan out. I also noticed that the ladies are kinda wondering who Casca is to Guts. I, personally, would like to see how everyone would react(or rather specifically 2 ladies) would react if they were to see what Guts was struggling with. Also, with Guts having a happy ending? Probably not likely. I’d like to see this end kind of like him still walking off again, alone. That just seems to be his life. He’s just better off alone.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:57 am
i am too excited for the next chapter. i’m addicted. i want to know what happens to caska. this whole memory loss/personality shift thing is too much for me to handle. i want to see her fighting again. she’s my favorite character. it makes me sad to see what she’s been reduced to.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:33 am
I’m personally very curious what the rest of the group around Guts would do when confronted by the Neo Hawks, and Griffith himself. Shierke (and somewhat Ishidro) make friends with Sonia, but I’m curious about everyone else. Does anyone else agree that Roderick seems like he’s kind of part of the group now? I mean, he actually got Guts to open up about Caska, though we don’t know what he said. And then there’s Magnifico, who’s rotting down in the hold, he’s not doing to much for the group, and the Bearded Knight, I don’t think he’s too much of a part yet. But Guts does seem to attract people, like Griffith did. I still like to remember the days when Guts didn’t really trust Griffith and wanted to be his equal, even when everyone else would have killed him for saying so. Though, the difference between Guts and Griffith is that Guts doesn’t ask them to come with him, more of the opposite. That’s why ultimately, by the patterns in Berserk, he’s a good guy.
P.S. What happened to the little girl, Theresa, from book 1 to 3? She said she was going to train and then come kill Guts. I’m wondering when she’s going to make a comeback. Also, that point was great for showing Guts’ personality. Though, I don’t think the very very first picture in the first book, where Guts is having sex with a lady who turns out the be an apostle, is a good indicator of him. He isn’t shown to be having sex with anyone else after that. Just Caska before that, which I believe is when he lost his virginity in the best sense of the word, and then that guy who raped him when he was a child.
September 30th, 2007 at 4:04 am
@The Herald what you pointed about guts having sex with that demon woman is extremely interesting… guts really doesn’t seem that type of guy… I didn’t understand that part. Absolutely no explanation about this is given.
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September 30th, 2007 at 5:23 am
In reference to the passion, it may not necessarily mean Caska. Here is a dictionary definition: 1. Any powerful or compelling emotion or feeling, as love or hate. 2. Strong amorous feeling or desire; love; ardor. 3. A person toward whom one feels strong love or sexual desire. 4. A strong or extravagant fondness, enthusiasm, or desire for anything 5. An outburst of strong emotion or feeling. And even 6. Violent anger. There are 5 god hand and god knows how many apostles around, so how about them? – Femto, the passion to impregnate Caska therefore being able to have a physical body later on. – Slan, she could have passion watching the feast, watching Gatts struggle to save Caska, or to attack Femto. – The other god hand members.. Sounds strange but just maybe something there.. And then Gatts. He has many many emotions flowing around at that time, i mean the poor guy just watched his friends die, Griffith become a demon and worst of all, watch the woman he loves being raped! And much more.. I’m definitely sure Gatts has passion at that point! But who knows >
September 30th, 2007 at 6:56 am
I believe that the two condradicting opinons are correct about the god of lust when she commented that hate,love,jelousy and passion were there at the eclipse.From the gods perspective they might want to think and believe that Casaca enjoyed the raping and was loving Femto and hated him at the same time and so on… But at the same time I believe the raping was completely wrong from Guts and Casca perspective,which they hated it,and I think that is what Miura is trying to reveal to us,the big contradiction in the ideals of the demons and the humans.While the raper believes what is doing is welcomed and enjoyed the raped person hates it and detest it. That’s why Guts is trying to fight all this time,to protect the integrity of Casca by all means and I believe this is the common point we all agree to as far as the raping concept is concerned and that’s why Guts made the declaration of war,to begin with.
September 30th, 2007 at 9:07 am
But why casca didn’t fitgh, i mean, why she didn’t bite Femto in the lips for example? I bet guts want to know it too
September 30th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Legato Bluesummers Says #139: (Normally I would post the part of your comment that I wish to answer but unfortunately that would mean putting it all here and I think that the reply would be too long that way.)
I thought it was a little bit fishy how I was using the teapot but it’s a concept I like and rarely get to use so you’ll have to forgive me for that. Secondly, the teapot wasn’t used in the opposite way, I used it to counter your argument of there not being any evidence to reinforce the idea of the child still being a part of Griffith. But I’m guessing you took it to be aimed at the circumstantial evidence that you have found that supports your theory. And in my original post I point out that there are numerous small clues to suggest that both arguments are right throughout the story and I’m pretty sure that that was no accident. So I understand what your later point quite well but I’ll have to disagree about the loose ends being tied. I’m pretty sure that although a few of the threads will be tied Miura will quickly replace them with even more questions. And you don’t need to drag the fans into this since I doubt that anyone that can be seen on this site is anything other than a fan of such degree that the word really doesn’t do them justice. I of course count the staff of Evil Genius, you and even me into that group of committed individuals.
And finally I apologize if how I quoted Russel’s teapot came off as insulting but it’s hard to know what the various members here know and I meant no offense by it.
September 30th, 2007 at 11:37 am
No, no, it’s not that I took any offense in any weird way or what not, its just this; it is possible to speculate regarding anything without any information to back you, is it not? The problem with utilizing an a priori approach to deductive supposition with the Berserk plot is that almost all of the plot background contains ambiguity, all that can be taken as concrete truth is that which we have already seen in Berserk, not that which was alluded to throughout the plot, or that which supposedly happened throughout. Even still, what is to say that Kentarou Miura could not overwrite one of the issues within the Berserk plot that we thought to be concrete? Even something so ingrained within the plot as The Eclipse scene be overwritten by Kentarou Miura, though I doubt he would. My point is this; a great deal of detail within the plot of Berserk can be construed in multiple fashions, and much has been omitted for the now (Gut’s past with the Band of the Hawk was told entirely through flashback on Guts’ behalf. One large, continuous flashback.) I find it somewhat hard to believe that Kentarou Miura would return to explaining a matter of the plot that he has already written past, especially if it pertained to a matter within Guts’ flashback sequence. My beef is that, as we aren’t likely to see any further development of past matters, such as what Caska’s life was like during the 2 year absence of Guts, or what the child’s life was like for two years after its birth, or if the Skull Knight ate at White Castle after the eclipse. Thus, we have to build our assertions with some degree of evidence, because much of our speculation, even if it were backed in reasonably solid evidence, could forever remain nothing more than speculation. This is Guts’ story, and aside from slight expositions of the lives of certain other characters, he has had the greatest of say of what the past was like. It would seem that Miura’s focus is in the now, and for the time being, not with matters of the past, or matters of the past that he had not accounted for, thus it is also far easier to speculate about the future of the storyline than it is to speculate accurately about the past.
September 30th, 2007 at 11:58 am
And for the love of the Idea of God, is it really necessary to continue talking about demonic fluids? Femto was an incarnation drawing on a human quality for his strength, thus, If you took all of the desire and attraction of human kind and channeled it through a single being, isn’t it safe to assume that it would be impossible to resist? What I saw in the eclipse was Caska’s strength, not her weakness. Why? She put up an unbelievable amount of resistance considering that Femto was the ultimate form of desire, attraction, and ambition. Her resistance to such a strong force tore her consciousness up like an origami crane being tossed into a paper shredder, and that when she began to see how her consciousness was being destroyed through her resistance to such a strong force as Femto, and that she soon wouldn’t have any control over her life, much less her actions during the eclipse, the last thing she was able to do was beg of guts not to judge her by what he saw here, and to not witness her soul’s destruction. Yes, I very much believe that she was aware that her consciousness, soul, or whatever sentience she had then was being destroyed through her futile resistance, it wasn’t her “getting wild” with Griffith. How long would someone of Princess Charlotte’s stature be able to resist Femto, I wonder? I, personally, think that Caska isn’t getting her fair share of credit here.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
well… that iiiiisss bullshit! haha
September 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Legato, you’re taking things a bit out of context. Femto is not the personification of an “Adonis”, it’s the personification of Griffith’s desire, and nothing more. In the now retconned (yes, see Miura went so far as to ask the Diet Library to remove the episode) in which Griffith speaks with the Idea of Evil, his one and only notion to “Femto” is to have “Wings”.
Casca’s (small nitpick, it’s not a k) mentality was shattered because she was being raped by Griffith in front of Guts. Its not because she was “resisting” Femto, not at all. There are several shots which show she’s succumbed to her ordeal, not a firm “glare” in her eyes. The whole event was maddening, and to sum it up with her being raped by the man she viewed as an untouchable painting within the depths of hell in front of her lover is what drove her over the edge. Femto’s “power” of attraction is non existent.
It is “Griffith” who is desireable, why do you think he went through all the trouble to place his “Femto” entity into the shell of Griffith?
Exactly, that is the form he needed to achieve his goal, not the “Wings of Darkness”. He is still Femto and has all the “powers” he did when he was among the God Hand, he is still the same being, but he required his old form to further his ambitions.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Well, it is your argument that Caska was enjoying her rape; it makes about as much sense to me as someone arguing that Guts enjoyed being raped by Donovan.
September 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
TO Cotton Eye Joe:
You did see the chapter not that long ago when the pope practically let Griffith have his way with him? Just making sure.
Griffith was a formidable man before the eclipse, this is true, but he did not possess that kind of power. He did not have everyone prostrating before him then. He gained much through his appointment to the Godhand, and in no way do I mean that he has contracted simply Adonis-like abilities. I’m saying that it would seem that members of the Godhand can channel what powers they require through being the sum of human expectation.
Apostles, for example, much less mortals clearly illustrate Griffith’s powers of attraction. If supernatural beings are so struck by his newfound power, and mortals are readily surrendering themselves to Griffith’s will, It is fairly safe to assume that Kasuka (I’ll spell her name however I damn well please =P) did not could not help her ordeal. However, she was apparently quite unwilling, as she did say those words to Guts, kind of like the mind not being able to control the body. What about Guts’ struggle against Slan in the cave of trolls? Hmmm…
September 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Cotton Eye Joe, Legato Bluesummers and whoever the hell is talking about this:
The way I see it the rape scene was pretty much the entire relationship between Caska, Gatts and Griffith at that time. She loved both Gatts and Griffith and choosing one was tearing her apart. Gatts was stuck in Griffith’s “shadow” and Griffith was using Caska for his own means of getting payback on Gatts for leaving him. Gatts couldn’t handle being in Griffith’s “shadow” and therefore sacrificed one of the things most dear to him, his hand, for what is more important to one that doesn’t live by the sword than the hand that he uses to wield it (Before Gatts had acquired a family in the band of the hawk and sacrificed that). The end was the same as well as Gatts got away but he lost a part of himself (literally) and Caska (If she acts completely like someone else then I’m not going to look at her as the same person).
And finally I’m going to have to quote myself: #125
Actually I think that Caska both did and didn’t enjoy it. It wasn’t a normal rape but a rape by a demon that she had loved and had turned into one of the most powerful beings in the world with unbeatable charisma. There’s no way that with all that power, the love and the charisma that she wouldn’t be enjoying it. But she also loved Gatts and that with the fact that she knew the rape was wrong made her cry.
And don’t try to argue that that was simply the original charisma of Griffith because although Griffith was great he was never able to persuade people by simply looking at them (remember the young knight who went to see Griffith and the moment he stepped in front of him he fell to his knees thinking “What am I doing” and gave him his sword to use as he pleases).
September 30th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Well, if Griffith did possess these powers, there are several instances that might substantiate this. His birth as Femto seemed to resound through the world at that point, as if his heartbeat alone created waves within the stream of causality. His rebirth attracted apostles that were previously unaware of his existence to him, as if he possessed some newfound form of radiance. His request for wings was simply one of aesthetic value, something tied into his existence as the hawk; it is something that would further ground his existence. His powers as the red king of the Godhand would not so much be a matter of form, but most likely his rebirth in the form of Griffith is out of human expectation or folk psychology; He came back in that form because it fits. He could come back as a martyr, further enhancing his image as a being that is incapable of being subdued. Through using this as a means to attract more human faith, he could then use faith as a catalyst to achieve his means, which were destined by the idea of God.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Well said, Spiderbait. Very well spoken.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
(I do read the spam bucket, so here is a response to the mean spirited folks who ask not so politely when we will release Berserk.)
For those wondering what is taking so long, well to be honest we are an old group of old farts. Most of us are out of University, moving on with our careers, have families and enjoy doing this for ourselves and for all of you as well. There are a few still wrapping up their degree or shooting for Masters and Phd work.
Needless to say, we are still here and plan on staying for many years to come.
We can’t compete with speed scanlation groups out there even though earlier in EG’s life we where once like them, full of piss and vinegar and had lots of time to devote to our projects.
However, we have seen many groups come and go, and we expect to outlast even more to come. We can afford to take our time because we have nothing to prove.
That being said, if you think we are too slow then by all means help out. Show us your editing and translation skills, we would love to have more people on board.
We still love doing it, we are wrapping up NHK and BReaction for example which is a major milestone for us. As for Berserk, it will be released as soon as possible.
September 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
I must admit, I was a bit astounded at the revelation that Berserk’s storyline is almost purely progressive. It did seem for a while that, the main flashback arc aside, Kentarou Miura would reveal some information from the past that was unclear. And, to be perfectly honest, I still want to know more about the history behind the skull knight, the Godhand, and Emperor Gaiseric, for example, but now I’m more skeptical than ever that Miura will delve into the past for such reasons.
To EG:
On a side note, may I ask what the progress is on 290? I’m feeling Berserk withdrawal, and its making me irritable =P
September 30th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
OK, thanks, Don’t mind my above post, I was a little wonky!
September 30th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Yeah, I have to agree; speed scanlation groups tend to really screw up the overall product, what with the exact connotation of the written word in Berserk being so instrumental to the richness of the plot. For this reason, we vest our trust in you, and our time in your gladiatorial comment boards. It’s a beautiful thing, stepping over maimed corpses and severed limbs in the comments section to finally read your quality translations. It kind of reminds me of that old television show, American Gladiators.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
whatever.. no one have released it yet… we still can wait
September 30th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
and the caska thing.. whatever you say.. she liked it.. period..
September 30th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Its called RAPE because she didnt want it.
September 30th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Mayhap. The question is, did you like it?
September 30th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Was it as good for you as it was for me?
September 30th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Oh, YEAH! Nothing like a bit of consensual forcible demonic rape. High Five!!!!
September 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
if i were caska.. yeah i’d like it.. haha
but legato is blind.. dude101 too.. and a couple of others..
September 30th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Paragraphs, use them.
September 30th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Thanks guys at EG for taking your time.
September 30th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Of all the different things that can be argued about considering Berserk, who the child is, where the story is situated, is Caska really herself or simply her body that she left behind, does Gatts have somekind of supernatural power, what is Griffith’s weakness, we argue about if Caska liked being raped or not.
September 30th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
almost forgot.
Evil Genius team, we know that you like to take your time to give us the greatest release possible but all we are asking for is somekind of estimation for the release so that we don’t have to lurk around the site, constantly pressing F5.
September 30th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Let me ask you one thing about Caska’s rape (and your comments about it)…
Are you Women?…
First of all, I’d like to say that I’m Italian and in our version of Berserk there’s a mailbox at the end of the chapters, where everyone can tell his opinion about the chapters or anything else about Berserk’s World.
So, in that mailbox I’ve read a comment very interesting about Caska’s rape.
A Woman could “enjoy” being raped…But is not totally right…
Her body can’t be controlled, also if she’s suffering…if she’s dying inside and she’s crying out loud, her body reacts in a “Natural” way…
And in Caska’s case, she was sayin’ to Guts to not look, just because she was feelin’ ashemed for her body reaction…
So, Caska’s body enjoyed the rape, but not “Her”…
I agree with this comment…I mean, Caska loved so much Griffith (but just in our version his name is Grifis? O.o) but, during the Eclipse, she was already shocked for apostles’ violence, for the Death of her Friends and she was obviously scared by the whole situation.
A Real Nightmare…
She didn’t bite Femto (or anything else), just because she was shocked…Maybe, for her, that was the end of everything…
I like to think that Caska’s mind and heart didn’t enjoyed the rape, but I hope that Miura will give an answer to all of our questions and doubts…^__^
Sorry for the poor translation and poor english…
September 30th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Regarding Casca… Wouldnt the easiest way to explain it be that her mind shattered before/was shattering while she succumbed? Be it because of Femto’s “charisma”, the shame/horror of the situation or whatnot that caused it. If you do remove mental resistance all that remains is the body, and it’s designed to enjoy it… That doesnt mean She, as in the person, did. The drool and passing out that someone mentioned might even further give force to this view, since in order to drool you need to “lose” control over your mouth or some such.
Regarding that child at the beach, I’d like to believe it was Gatts and Cascas child. My memory might fail me, but the way i see it, it has never behaved evil as such. And to say that he haunts his parents is probably as accurate as to say that any child haunts it’s parents. True it started out in a rather messed up shape/form/existence. But that doesn’t mean its evil.
And regarding Casca trying to feed it her blood… Both milk and blood is a product of her body, it’s just created in different parts and used for different purposes. It’s not like she can’t lose some blood and given how motherly she behaves in general towards the child it makes sense.
September 30th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
japanesse pronunciation of griffith is “grifis” so your translation is sticking to the pronunciation not the name itself i think..
your english is good.. at least i understand it..
em.. what the hell im just angry at caska.. sorry if u don’t agree with me it just piss me off the whole situation.. poor gutts..
September 30th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
Here’s an analogy:
Caska liking to be raped is like a white guy getting getting off on his erection from jail sodomy. Even though the white guy has a erection, its only the black dude’s junk that is stimulating him.
I though that I’d leave everyone that imagine in your collective heads. HA HA HA HA!
September 30th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
I am :p and i understand what you mean, as my fiancé said the same thing. But then if your emotions are strong enough you can (that depends on the person) override natural bodily things. (I wish i could explain that better..!) And i am mostly sure Caska didnt enjoy it.. I mean look how he treated her! If she had any love or affection for him, i reckon then most if not all of it went. And Miv, your english (and translation) is fine
September 30th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Rub prostate, say loving words, then brainwashing.
ESSENTIAL STEPS TO RETARDATION.
September 30th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Spiderbait, while that is the name of my favourite band, which stretches my tolerance further, I will have to ask you to be patient. It is very close to completion, but however, we live in different time zones which hinders our synchronous efforts. Add into the mix that we have personal lives to attend; such as work and University.
But yes, it will be out very, very soon.
September 30th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
I guess one could say that Caska pretended to fall for Guts just so she could fuck over his mind with the rape thingy. Although Caska have grown accustomed to abbandoning her random desires, I think that it’s possible that Idea used that desire to attack Guts via Griffith. Griffith gives interpreted answers to the dreams of the masses through his leadership and subjucation of the Apostles; the Apostle gathering is nothing but a sham to show people what their innermost, childish dream of living without pain is. Guts is bearing the load of every other feeling that the whole world doesn’t feel when seeing their dreams come true– like that deity from Greek mythology.
sorry if I have fragmented sentences, people. I don’t type much.
September 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Eldo: Always fun to meet other people that know of the band (actually took the name because I knew how few knew about it and knew that because of that there was a great chance that I would be the first with that name wherever on the net I went) and I’m sorry if I’m annoying you, I know you have alot of stuff to do and I know that you could quit this entirely on even a whim. I wont try to make you do what I’m asking and I will try not to mention it after this post but all I’m asking for is a little message saying how far you are away from the release (simply saying if it’s going to be more than 12 hours would be fantastic in my opinion) when you get the RAW. So sorry for any disturbance and I’m glad to hear that it will be out soon.
September 30th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
If I downloaded the raws, could I guess what is happening without having any prior knowledge of the Japanese language? Just wondering..
September 30th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
You’d only find it to be confusing.. I downloaded the raw for this episode and my i am curious to know what happened in the barrel.. But i wont spoil it for everyone
September 30th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
Whats the hold up guys? We’re dying here… Need my fix…
September 30th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Yakkai na yatsu da yo. Kimi wa…
sorry, I just had to pull a quote for this occasion.
September 30th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
its our own fault as berserk fans if we can’t stomach the wait. im not too knowledgeable about this scene, but when i’ve downloaded anime in the past (and i believe the same thing goes for manga) i’ve had to ask the person recommending the series which of the 8 or 9 subs i should get/is better. for some reason, there isn’t that kind of presence in the berserk community, we have one scanlation outlet and they have said multiple times that they need help.
its a lousy situation, but what does it accomplish bashing the only outlet we have left? if E-G is going to focus on high quality translations then that is their prerogative. i don’t expect anything until sunday at the earliest and it has helped me cope greatly.
September 30th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Where can you get the raws from?
September 30th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
google it dude..
or from sajaman.. no wait.. thats for anime? aaah what the hell i don’t know XP
it’ll be out soon my friends we have to be patient and wait..
September 30th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I sit just me or did the fact that Eldo posted completely halt all intelligent conversation about the Berserk storyline?
September 30th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Does Berserk come out monthly? Cause I just started reading it recently.
Oh, and I can’t wait for the next chapter ^_^
September 30th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
No, it’s not just you. Eldo is one of Evil Genius’ lords of the abyss, one of the supreme authorities of the group, and thus inspires awe and fear in us mortals. The EG godhand’s presence is comparable to lightning striking your car; here, at least, they are the supreme authority.
September 30th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Hey, since Griffith was the white hawk of legend or whatever, who was supposed to be the Black hawk, the “evil” counterpart?
It wasn’t the emperor was it? or is it actually Guts?
September 30th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Griffith is supposed to be both The Hawk of Light and The Hawk of Darkness, but most people of the world are too awed by his stature to suspect him of being The Hawk of Darkness. Originally the knights of the Holy Iron Chain, which Farnese commanded, were tracking Guts as they suspected, through the constant carnage that he would cause in hunting down apostles, that Guts was the Hawk of Darkness. It is Griffith’s true nature that he is Femto, the Hawk of Darkness, but out of ignorance, naivety, or their expectations they are too blind to see this and instead see him as the Hawk of Light.
September 30th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
griffenhawk – better start read from the beginning. Berserk has irregular ‘nnn’(i just dont know the correct word for it , but I know you understand), but it’s cicle generally is one chapter in two weeks, but sometimes we hv to wait two months…
September 30th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Which begets the question: “Is the role of the Hawk of Light simply a facade, or is it that someone else is the actual and effectual Hawk of Light?”
Perhaps Guts or one of his companions is the Hawk of Light, perhaps not. I would somewhat like to think that it is:
a) a facade role
or
b) Guts or Caska that is the Hawk of Light
or
c) Guts and Caska’s child that will assume the role of the Hawk of Light.
September 30th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
i think miura is switching the traditional white=good and black=evil motifs. we all know the white hawk is griffith and is the bad guy. guts has always been characterized by the color black but is the protagonist. guts is just barely becoming the superpower that i think miura is going to make him out to be. like most manga, the protagonists usually undergo some transformation and i think guts’s “realized” self will be the black hawk, griffith’s rival. at the moment, guts is not really griffith’s equal. however, schierke’s mentor knew that it was imperative to aid guts, so maybe there is some “black hawk” prophecy that we haven’t seen. just speculating, but maybe we’ll see a banner of the black hawk to meet that of the white hawk on a battlefield, with isidro, farnese, serpico, and schierke as generals perhaps…
October 1st, 2007 at 12:04 am
seishi – I have started from the beginning, when I meant.. like ‘just started’ I kind of mean I have never needed to wait for a chapter to come out yet (chapter 289 came out I think when I was reading vol.31)
October 1st, 2007 at 12:38 am
gutts is the hawk of darkness.. coz is the shadow of griffith aka the hawk of light (i mean it to be the contrary of griffith)
not all things that are dark have to be necessary evil.. i mean Gutts is the Black Swordman haha and he roxorz my boxorz
Griffith in the view of all people he was a great man.. but under his skin was that pure evil that could sacrifice and do anything to achieve his goals(that is.. being bad things or good things.. but what good things did he do for other people but for himself?), in the contrary Gutts, always slicing enemies and bieng a death bringer haha he simply wanted to fight and live his way and in those times of need he’ll save anyone without thinking about anything in exchange
Griffith always has all these people around him to boast himself and feel top-class, on the other hand Gutts is characterized for being the lone warrior and does not need from anybody to achieve what he wants( most of it good.. nah.. all of it! leave aside a bite or two
October 1st, 2007 at 12:54 am
when will the next issue release?
PLSSS i need to read it… im kinda “BITTIN”….
October 1st, 2007 at 5:19 am
Legato Bluesummers – I bet Farnese is the is the Hawk of Light. Remember, a few chapters ago as she flew for the first time? ^^
October 1st, 2007 at 9:06 pm
or puck.. he’s already sparky XP
October 1st, 2007 at 9:56 pm
Well, I would have to say that I agree with you that Guts is the Hawk of Darkness. However, Maybe, with the change in Guts’ hair color, his suit and aura will change too, thus becoming the Hawk of Light. It really doesn’t matter that much to me, it’s purely symbolic anyway and we know what the true nature of Griffith is; He is an asshole, thus he forfeits the whole reborn martyr spiel.
October 1st, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Wow… Just… wow…
Firstly, read the chapter with Rammstein’s cover “Schtiel”… Pure awesomeness…
Secondly, I’m afraid that I’m going to have to contradict my prior assertion. Guts is not the Hawk of Darkness, he is the Wolf of Darkness, and there will not be any stopping him should that force within him have its way.
October 2nd, 2007 at 10:19 am
Hmmm… It would seem that the spirit beast is becoming more and more similar to Fenrir, the legendary Norse incarnation of apocalypse. Maybe it was always meant to be similar, or perhaps no similarity was intended, but the circumstances are eerily familiar.
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:00 am
Phenomenal release of 290. It makes me feel that this may either go 1 of 2 ways.
1). He decides to disappear after the elf island or during elf island so to not get close to his friends anymore (also deciding to leave Caska in care of whats-her-name). Although this may end abruptly due to the fact that he may end up killing himself by using the wolf’s power and letting that consume him. Or gets killed by the God Hand because even though he is strong enough to take on armies by himself, he is still mortal. He does bleed, and he can die.
2). He vows to protect every one of this friends to his dying breath (which looks like the path he may have already chosen). This usually has a better outcome. Although the current manga god can put him into more misery by just killing off everyone of them as well.
Great scanlation. Great manga. I’m done.
October 6th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
when questioning the reasons for caska’s genital fluids, first lets remember that this is manga (a medium that depicts rape as pleasurable for the victim more often than not), from japan, published in a magazine that by american standards is pornographic in nature. of course miura can’t get away with bleeding and tearing for 20 pages of rape, so there’s really no way for him to show caska absolutely resisting and fighting back even if he wanted to. YA is just not a fetish magazine. also, casca was already zen-zen(jp) out of her wits before she was grabbed by the apostles, and wasn’t really conscious when griffith started on her either. remember when she kind of wakes up and goes, “griffith?” so in my interpretation, when she realizes that griffith is really moving on his own, really having sex with her, and that she’s really awake, its already too late for her body to say no. and i never thought of the possibility that the demon baby might only have an astral body and not a physical one. interestnaya (ru). is that like when someone asks if you’re religious, and you answer “no i’m just really spiritual?”
August 30th, 2008 at 6:55 am
only want to say: berserk=best manga
ever