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Why the US is _not_ number 1. How to bruise American Egos.

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:21 pm
by psi29a
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No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well...this is the country you really live in:

* The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).
* The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
* "The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).
* Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!
* "The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).
* "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).
* Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).
* Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.
* The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.
* "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.
* Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)
* "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.
* Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).
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* The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
* Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
* The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).
* "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.
* "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).
* "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).
* The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).
* U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).
* Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).
* Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.
* Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.
* One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).
* "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).
* "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).
* Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).
* "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).
* "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.
Yeah... the revolution will not be televised.

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:29 pm
by Quest
yea the solution to all that is what america has been doing all this while.
print more money.

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:44 pm
by halfnhalf
God Bless America.

America FUCK YAH!

Yah ok we america is not the greatest when it comes to education, i mean come on we knew that 10 years ago. Being able to get, do, and eat w/e you want is what makes america shine.

Also most of the list on the Fortune 500 wouldnt be on thier if it wasnt for America's awesomely cool Captailsim and complete brainwashing marketing.

You do have to understand, for a country we do have a large population, 300 million people. India and China are the only ones that have more than us. When you mention "Europe" you are mentioning a contient with mutliple countries, im rather impressed that America, a country is being compared to a contient.


OH and think you forgot something on the list, i think America ranks as Number One as teh fattest country. WOOOOO!!!

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:59 pm
by LordMune
halfnhalf wrote:eat w/e you want is what makes america shine.
* Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:02 pm
by halfnhalf
in the large perpective 3.9 million is nothing compared to the US's 300 million people population.

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:09 pm
by Albator
That, of course, make it all the more acceptable, may I dare say encouraging?

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:26 pm
by Oro
America is #1 in something!!! They are #1 in stealing boys and girls... :lol:
most of the technology that america is so proud of was stolen from the NAZI and the Commies,most the of the gold they have was stolen form asia,africa and south america in 1800's and right now they are stealing iraq's oil and eyeing on iran's oil. U.s is a real hero of this world truly #1...not! :lol:

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:32 am
by psi29a
You can't steal what is yours.

The allies made a made dash for all sorts of German scientific data after the war was over, however I would wager that the Chinese and the Soviets 'stole' more from the US than the other way around. I'll let killfile weigh in that.

I can't refute the gold assurtion, however stealing Iraq's oil isn't necessary when the USA pratically annexed it. Again, you can't steal what is already yours. However, that doesn't mean the 'west' won't get a discount on oil.

I think the primary motivator for a war in Iraq is to secure a large oil resource for the USA so that the dollar remains the currency of standard for any trade in oil. If it ever changed to the Euro (which is what Iran wants anyway), then American (that includes all of North America) would be hit hard.

The stated objective the USA's government is look out for it's citizens, well guess what... that is exactly what it is doing. It's citizens would cry bloody murder if they have to pay $5 USD at the pump per gallon of fuel. Sent it to $10 and no one will drive anyhere.... including trucks, meaning nothing gets delivered. The world economy would tank.

Slow oil hikes... that is tolerable, instant oil hikes would be devistating.

America is #1 oil consuming country in the world, 2nd only to China... so far.

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:03 am
by Sortep
it's funny you mention this psi... because i was just listening to an mc ren (a muslim convert/rapper) song and he ran down a whole lot of those things.... i'll post a link... even if you don't like rap it's worth the listen...

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:39 am
by MrFelony
America works on a different concept than the rest of the world. in america you have to work and strive on your own in pursuit of the american dream. its a dog-eat-dog mentality. don't necessarily agree with it...just how it is. we also have the richest person ;)

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:55 am
by Oro
This dog-eat-dog mentality will come back to bite them in the ass,nothing last forever and the way things are going america wont be super power for too long.i am thinking about learning chinese.

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:25 am
by Sortep
in the army they used to tell us... "you need to learn chinese, because when the time comes and you don't speak comrade youwill die"

honestly it's very similiar to the rise and fall of rome, babylon, etc

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:24 am
by MrFelony
For some like myself, I dont believe that it is too late to turn america around. we just need to get rid of this silly 2 term limit notion

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:24 pm
by halfnhalf
MrFelony wrote:For some like myself, I dont believe that it is too late to turn america around. we just need to get rid of this silly 2 term limit notion
2 term limit is the greatest thing there is. Prevents someone from becoming too powerful. What we need to do is have a more educated person to be able to run for office.

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:38 pm
by Wandering_Mystic
enforcing a term limit on the House would probably help a lot too. Incumbency's a bitch, becoming synonymous with incompetence.

Re: Why the US is _not_ number 1. How to bruise American Eg

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:24 am
by FootKnight
The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.
Anyone want to argue that we aren't #1?










I hope you guys can see the sarcasm in that.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:11 am
by MrFelony
Who says a democracy is the best form of government? I would prefer a system where we would elect an enlightened leader who would serve the countries interests for the next 10-20 years. in ideal situations we should elect rulers who we can trust to guide this country in the direction best for it. how can you really guide a country in only 8 years? you can set it on a path, but without any real foundation, it is very easy to change that path almost 180 degrees.

While I respect the validity of the limitation of power, I also have come to see this as a limitation of growth. I know that I don't know enough about politics and their inner workings to debate the topic accurately, and maybe my viewpoint is completely askew, but who would you have rather held office the past 8 years, bush or Clinton? If there was a 4-term limit, I don’t doubt it for a second that Clinton would have been re-elected each term and would have guided this country much more skillfully.


EDIT: as for incumbancy. the incompetence that results is due to a decrease in desire and a feeling of newness. once again i relate this to companies. companies who continuely want to compete and grow need to feel and act like new companies. the same needs to happen with older reps and senators, but unfortunately it doesnt. while i wouldnt necesarrily put a term limit on reps, i would rather require them to undergo training each new term to reinvigorate their "business" of politics and get them fresh in the game. and please spare me the "businesses are corrupt" spiel. In some cases it is, but business and sales by far are an honorable trade and for those of you who disagree I would say you havent really seen inside of it. but thats a rant for the interstice.

I could say a lot more but I’ll leave it at that. I know I don’t take the popular way of thinking about this topic, but I feel that a stable skilled leader is better than erratic changing of policy that occurs from our current system and the selection of inferior presidents due to lack of candidates. Why settle for unqualified presidents until you find one who works only to kick him out after 8 years when you could go from one qualified leader to another with fewer leaders who don’t quite workout in between? Why go from a Hoover to an FDR to another Hoover. I’m not saying that you will always have a great candidate after a president who has served for four terms, but to me it seems a lot more likely.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:34 pm
by Quest
the 2 term limit is a prevention against complacency.
absolute power corrupts man!

your problems with incompetent leadership will be solved only if more of your citizens are politically savvy and actually turn up to vote.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:09 pm
by MrFelony
the right leader wouldn't become complacent and work on being staying fresh, much like a business always tries to have the "new business" attitude. the feeling that there is always so much more to do is one long term officials need to develope. It's like anything that's long term. And it seems to me the biggest problem in this country is that political candidates are chosen on their likelyhood to win the vote, not on the ability to run the country. cause seriously...who EVER thought Bush jr could run the country well. but once again that is idealism that wont happen for a veeeeery long time.

Any problem with incompetent leadership is solved by more involved and savvy citizens. The benefit i see in a longer allowance of terms is that when you do finally have a candidate worth keeping, you don't have to let him go in the face of a less qualified candidate. though i guess gore SHOULD have won...:roll:

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:06 pm
by psi29a
One man's leader is another's tyrant. I think the USA would go nuts if it went back to having a 'king' or the equivlent of the unitary executive.

Sorry, but the two term limit stays.

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:22 am
by MrFelony
didnt say anything about king :P. i think something longer like 4 hell even 3 would be fine with me.while i wouldnt necesarrily mind being lead by the right kind of king, i didnt mean to let people believe im for a monarchy...cause i do agree with the dangers "power corrupts" and all that jazz.

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:15 am
by Arngrim
In a bit of a counter (though not really intended to be such) we are a superpower, and NOT just a mere "civilized nation". And yes, it's a massive difference of epic proportions..I wouldn't say they are all positive traits, but we are a Superpower nonetheless, we have more on our plates and with far less time to build up to such (less than 300 years if we are counting the current style of government and people). It's no small feat.


The United States (Source, Wikipedia=Superpower)
Most people consider the United States the only sovereign nation-state, or country, that meets all criteria for being a superpower.

Geographic factors

* The United States is the third largest country in the world by land area, after Russia and Canada. (Counting the disputed Taiwanese area as part of China places the United States in fourth place.)

Demographic factors

* With almost 300 million people, about 5% of the world population, the U.S. is the world's third most populous nation and the most populous with a high Human Development Index.
* It has the highest population growth rate of all developed nations.

* It has a high Human Development Index, according to the United Nations, ranking number ten.PDF.

Political factors

* It is a stable democratic republic.
* It contributes around 22% of the United Nations budget[citation needed], and is a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council (with veto power).
* Its stance on world issues is usually supported by other nations, especially the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Israel.

Economic and financial factors

* The U.S. has the world's largest national economy with over $12 trillion.[citation needed] The US has nearly 30% of the global market exchange-rate GDP. It is characterized by moderate to high economic growth
* The U.S. has a per-capita GDP much greater than any emerging superpower and higher than that of most industrialized countries, at USD $41,800. The U.S. has the third largest per-capita GDP in the world, following Luxemburg and Norway. The average American does, however, spend considerably more of his or her life working than does the average European.[12](see the controversies about GDP).
* Over the past 20 years, America's economic growth rate has averaged just over 3 percent per year.
* The U.S. is headquarters for many global corporations and financial institutions.
* American companies are leading players in in many fields, such as new materials, electronics and telecommunications, information technology, aerospace, energy, nanotechnology, biotechnology, medicine, bioinformatics, chemical engineering, and software.
* The country is a key agricultural and commodities producer PDF, although it is dependent on petroleum imports.
* It has a decisive influence on international financial bodies, such as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank; the American dollar is perhaps the most important reserve and convertible currency in the world.


Military factors

* The U.S. spends more on its military than the next twelve countries combined. As of 2006, it has the world's largest nuclear arsenal and combines some of the world's most technologically advanced weapons systems with the expeditionary capability to project military power to any point in the world.

Cultural factors

* American culture is influential worldwide, especially in the English-speaking world.
* Built by immigrants, and aided by continuing immigration, is one of the most racially and ethnically diverse country in the world.

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:02 pm
by swallow
At the moment, I think that it would probably still be right to call America a superpower, but if you think in real political and economic clout in the world stage nowadays, America is greatly reduced in influence. Though I think they'd like to do a lot more pushing and shoving than they are at the moment, it would be rather unwise to do so, since firstly big business won't like it too much and secondly as can be shown from the Iraq war, the consequences wont' necessarily turn out the way it's expected to.

From what I gather from America (and this is mainly going by television) it really is a shit place to live. You've got a third-rate health system, your minimum wage is absymal, your education system is even more appalling, and sorry guys, you might still look on top financially at the moment it doesn't look like it's going to last. Unless if you're rich (or moderately well off) of course, in that case you'll have great health care, education, and hopefully working for some big-ass firm trying to drain funds off shore or help making your poor poorer. Also you've got bad taste and what you think is good food is actually a pile of shit (sorry once again drawing reference from TV and these are rich broads off Oprah, if it's representative of what EVERYONE eats there I'm surprised at how well a human body can function on complete and utter filth).

Personally I wish Bush could serve a 3rd term though, coming from Australia, the only reason why American/Australian relations are so good at the moment is because little Johnny (our Prime Minister) is so chummy with pretty Georgie, in part possibly due to the fact that one of his sons is working for the Bush administration. Once either of them leaves (barring someone as redneck and conservative as they seem to be) Australia's only going to be seen as just another small pointless backwater without much clout (yes we seem to be as delusional as you are at times about the size of our power).

Who needs to be a superpower anyway? By being one, America has given up on a lot of things to retain its influence. Australia is no where near to being a superpower, but as I ride along in my government supported university place, getting government hand-outs for my living expenses as a student, with all my health expenses catered for - and knowing full well if I was unemployed after all this - I would live in a reasonable (if possibly dingy shithole) place and have enough to eat (even if it would have to be chicken every night). And as long as I know my country can dig tons of raw crap up from the ground and sell it before it all disappears (won't happen in my lifetime) I think I'm damn lucky I'm not in some dumb-ass American community college working two jobs and living in a (shittier) shithole.

P.S. Stop complaining about fuel prices you goddamn Yanks, it's up to AUD$1.30/litre here, equivalent to USD$4.45/gallon.

P.P.S. Hi everyone! First post here - I found this forum when I was at work (where I do most of my surfing) when I was looking for some stuff on Berserk. Sorry for trash talking you bloody American (wanker) bastards. :lol:

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:08 pm
by Albator
Since you put so much effort into this post, you might as well head to the Mugshot thread and post your picture there.

It's an unwritten rule.

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:10 pm
by psi29a
Also you've got bad taste and what you think is good food is actually a pile of shit (sorry once again drawing reference from TV and these are rich broads off Oprah, if it's representative of what EVERYONE eats there I'm surprised at how well a human body can function on complete and utter filth).
Simply not true, our bodies (everyone) craves what we consider to be 'bad food'. Processed food is high in what we like, and what we like happens to be bad for us we overinduldge. During the time of hunting and gathering, we look for things that consisted of high-fats, proteins and other stuff that you will find in fast food for example. Your body craves, it is encoded in our genes. This would be great if we (Americans) where more active, but we are not and it stores and collects over time and we become less healthy as a result.

Food industries play on our genetic junk food craving. Bad taste? Certainly an opinion, but not fact. The fact is that we (the world's population) over-endulge in junk food because our bodies like it, to much of it while not excersiing more. The Food industry does not help either, because they know they have a product people crave.