Evil Genius

I was just wondering if any one has got their hands on the beta. I have, and in my humble opinion think it is better than Fire Fox. Your thoughts, might as well make a poll.

Ill just wait till the new fire fox comes out and blows internet explorer 7 outa the water!! ^^

Well since I've used FireFox, I will probally NEVER touch another browser again.

I used IE5 & 6, after that I got Firefox. Which was far better. That's why I'll never use IE again.

You definitely have to add Opera to the poll. It rocks.

IE deserves to be throw into an open fire.... From the first tiem i used Fire Fox i never even THOUGHT of swithing back to IE

IE7 still plans to not be CSS non-complient. To be fair, neither is firefox, but at least they are working on it. Microsoft has come out and said IE7 wouldn't be.

This is a no brainer. Mozilla and company are free, as in speech. IE isn't and Opera fails on both.

are there any CSS compliant browsers?

*wonders what CSS compliant is*

able to show CSS written things....

http://software.silicon.com/application ... 960,00.htm

http://www.net4now.com/isp_news/news_ar ... ws_ID=3163

Just a few news articles I've read a week ago relating to IE7 and CSS.

Basically, IE7 admits they won't meet CSS standards and won't really try to implement some basic standards like security. Firefox and Opera will try to meet most if not all of them. So what IE7 is going to look in its final product is a pretty and flashy appearance, and offer little on anything else.

Hmmmm, looks like a Fire Fox crowd mostly eh. Well, as any one even been able to give IE7 a chance?? I used Fire Fox for a while, I thought it killed IE6, and I really like Fire Fox, I just think this new IE7 is a tad better. That is all. Oh well, as you do.

I have no choice in the matter, my line of work has to deal with IE and or chief designer curses every day (he is christian, very proper) when he has to test in IE6 and IE7. "Why can't microsoft get on the ball, the standards are freely available." That being said, it shouldn't take them any length of time to get 'on the ball', there is probably political reasons why they decided to skimp on the CSS, as it isn't a technical problem.

Interesting, do you know what may be the political issue holding IE back?

The fact that want Ein Furher, Ein Volk, Ein Reich?

They want IIS and .NET and ASP to be 'the web' and the only way to view this web is via IE7. Vender lock-out and dominance of business on the Internet. Why support open standards that would aid EVERYONE, when they can take what they want and force it down everyones throat and only aid themselves? It is all part of doing business, aka politics.

Well, just got done talking with my friend who is a crazy beta tester for MS. He is how I got my hands on IE7 actually. But any who, he told me that their was an official release that IE7 was going to meet every standard of the net. Even that of the ACID2 and CSS, has any one heard of an official announcement to counter that, or just the web blog or what ever of that one dude?

All this kinda stuff interest me to some point because I am going to be switching my major to a computer based field, and well, I would like to be more in the know than I am now. Right now, I don't give a flying fuck if it is open source or not, what ever works best for me is my moto.

Your friend sounds like they need a reality check.

Here is some linkage for you:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx
http://www.clothedandy.com/Writings/IE%207%20Beta%201/
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/software/int ... 992,00.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

Notice how even on MS's website they say "improve CSS support", it says nothing of being ACID2 compliant.

Matter of fact here is a quote for you and your friend.

Chris Wilson wrote:In IE7, we will fix as many of the worst bugs that web developers hit as we can, and we will add the critical most-requested features from the standards as well. Though you won't see (most of) these until Beta 2". Further,"we will not pass this (Acid2 browse) test when IE7 ships.""

If you don't know who Chris is, he is the lead architect for IE.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/03/09/391362.aspx

psi29a wrote:The fact that want Ein Furher, Ein Volk, Ein Reich?

It's "Führer". And I'll stay with Opera or whatever else is available, as long as I can stay away from IE. I don't trust Microsoft in internet terms. Microsoft products are always the first and "easiest" to "hack" because they are "popular".

It doesn't help MS that their commitment to security is rather lax. It is one thing to make an honest mistake, it is quite another to continue on an insecure architecture just because they want to make more money. Witness WindowsME.

Playing the popularity card isn't going to help the problem, just shifts blame and sets up the strawman argument that any other OS with that much 'visibility' will have the same problems. Using that as an excuse doesn't justify why I should spend money on them.

Watching MS Marketting teams squirm in boardroom meetings is my pleasure.

It's all business as psi said. Because it's fucking IE, they can practically get away with half assed shit because it's such a popular internet browser, some people would still use it regardless.

some people like my parents.... and why? because they don't know better. Thay have been indoctrinated (i believe that to be the english term...)

TheDarkness wrote:some people like my parents.... and why? because they don't know better. Thay have been indoctrinated (i believe that to be the english term...)

correct, they use what is most comfortable for them. Why change when it gets the job done? Because it gets the job done, then they don't see what else is available till someone sits down with them and shows them.

well i have to admit that i myself started using firefox only after a friend had shown it to me.

Ayanami wrote:Interesting, do you know what may be the political issue holding IE back?

If IE refuses to comply to a true CSS system, they force people to design sites specifically for IE. Since I.E. represents some 80% of the browser market, you'd be insane to make any commercial site that didn't support IE.

Once you've made a site that supports IE. it's additional work to make it support Firefox, Opera, etc and make it support the gracefully. As a consequence, by keeping IE CSS non-compliant, MSFT can force developers to make sites that don't render quite correctly in Firefox etc.

That makes people less likely to use Firefox and thus helps MSFT retain market share with IE.

Though honestly, I don't know what they GAIN from maintaining market share with IE.