Evil Genius

Arresty wrote:My bet is longevity and the fairy scent may be related. I think its pretty much known that the armor killed him, but I think that either Flora or someone else did something to him so that he could stay alive, but he is not really alive either, he is living in between like Guts right now.

Well, I actually thought it was like FMA, where his soul was transfixed into the armour. As for the fairy scent, I was thinking along the lines that the Elven King was involved, since there has been some references made earlier that Puck was a 'fairy' but it actual fact, he is an elf. I know that it was a translation fault, but could the fairy scent be a translation fault too?

I can see how they can make 'fairy' and 'elf' the same in the English translation. It's a mishap, and I don't blame them for it.

Skullnight couldn't be branded. How would he have escaped the eclipse if there was no Skull Knight to come and rescue him, like in Gut's situation. Unless Gaiserac was a magic user or something and was able to get himself out....

AHAH faires...

Starnum wrote:That's a good point. I doubt SK started out the superior badass he is now.

By the way, technically, Puck is a pixie. I'm an elf. We both fall into the Fae species, a.k.a. fairy.

Yeah, but Japanese often times don't use the same system we Americans do, that lumps all elves, sprites, pixies, etc. into the Fae category. That is a European view.

And about SK escaping eclipse, that is why I still feel like he is not branded. Though one thing he did have that Guts didn't was the Berserker Armor. If he had that on in the eclipse there is no telling what would have happened. He could have just slaughtered until he got out. He maybe could have died fighting in the armor then, and since it was in the spirit world, that instead of dieing he continued to live on in the armor, without a body. Who knows.

Dark_Zilo wrote:good point there Arresty. i also think he's not branded at all

Gaiseric to me is SK based simply on the armor he's using in that one pic.

another thought i had is that maybe Gaiseric is neither one of them and is simply a character to mislead the readers and keep them wondering. is it Void? is it SK?
the only one to mention him was Charlotte (i think) back when they saved Griffith. i've never seen any other talking about him either

Well, no.
That event was simply the first time it was brought up.
Judaeu [dude, how the hell do you spell that??] acknowledges the Gaiseric story, as well. He heard it as a legend, whereas Charlotte said her history teacher told it to her.
This makes sense, as the general poulace wouldn't have been educated about such history.
I can't remember if anyone else in that scene acknowledges the Gaiseric story, but it's possible.

about SK's branding...I also concur that he is not branded.
If we assume that Void is the one responsible for the fall of Gaiseric's kingdom...and that SK was Gaiseric, and Void was his wise man, per se...
Then Void would have helped Gaiseric unite the kingdom, and it would be precious to him. He might've resented Gaiseric for actually controlling, it, though.
Then the summoning of the God Hands with the Red Behelit would've taken the thing most precious to Void...the kingdom. I doubt it would take Gaiseric, as Gaiseric was far from important to Void.

Azrael wrote:

Dark_Zilo wrote:good point there Arresty. i also think he's not branded at all

Gaiseric to me is SK based simply on the armor he's using in that one pic.

another thought i had is that maybe Gaiseric is neither one of them and is simply a character to mislead the readers and keep them wondering. is it Void? is it SK?
the only one to mention him was Charlotte (i think) back when they saved Griffith. i've never seen any other talking about him either

Well, no.
That event was simply the first time it was brought up.
Judaeu [dude, how the hell do you spell that??] acknowledges the Gaiseric story, as well. He heard it as a legend, whereas Charlotte said her history teacher told it to her.
This makes sense, as the general poulace wouldn't have been educated about such history.
I can't remember if anyone else in that scene acknowledges the Gaiseric story, but it's possible.

about SK's branding...I also concur that he is not branded.
If we assume that Void is the one responsible for the fall of Gaiseric's kingdom...and that SK was Gaiseric, and Void was his wise man, per se...
Then Void would have helped Gaiseric unite the kingdom, and it would be precious to him. He might've resented Gaiseric for actually controlling, it, though.
Then the summoning of the God Hands with the Red Behelit would've taken the thing most precious to Void...the kingdom. I doubt it would take Gaiseric, as Gaiseric was far from important to Void.

I thought that you have to sacrifice someone important to you to become an apostle or a God Hand not something like a kingdom.

Not necessarily one person. It can be a large group.
Because I mean, at the bottom of that Tower where they held Griffith, we see tons of corpses that were branded.
Assume that these are from when Void became a God Hand.
when I said Kingdom, i meant, the people of the kingdom. it's the closest thing to it. Plus, the Kingdom itself was destroyed by the Eclipse...soo...

Griffith sacrificed an army not a person. So we know for a fact that it Does not have to be a specific person. It is just anything that is of great value to you. In which case a Kingdom would be of great value to him, as the band of the hawk was to Griffith.

I'm sure the Kingdom would be of greater value to him than The Band of the Hawk. The Band was all but a tool to achieve that kingdom, so I would assume the latter is more precious.

But I'm always wrong so who knows.

Arresty wrote:

Starnum wrote:That's a good point. I doubt SK started out the superior badass he is now.

By the way, technically, Puck is a pixie. I'm an elf. We both fall into the Fae species, a.k.a. fairy.

Yeah, but Japanese often times don't use the same system we Americans do, that lumps all elves, sprites, pixies, etc. into the Fae category. That is a European view.

Bah, who cares about how you Solgets classify us. All that matters is how we Eoden classify ourselves.

I think that griffith with the new band of the hawk will acomlish his dream. Griffith will become king and control all of Midland. When this happens guts will probaly ally/recruit and small army to overthrow him, and there will be a huge battle allowing guts and a small group people including the skull knight to take out Griffith/gods hand. If you think about it its doesn't sound to far fetched, Guts will never be able to get to Griffith with that small group of his, especially since Griffth is almost aways surrounded by the new band of the hawk. Guts would need a great force to get in close enough to destroy griffith, plus guts is a natural strong willed leader, hell if he was real i would follow him into hell if was recruiting. Guts kind of reminds of Griffith before the eclipse, I have no doubt he could be a successful leader.

There's no way Gatts' current group could ever stand up to an Apostle, let alone the new Band of the Hawk.
Maaaaaaaybe Serpico. Big maybe.
I don't even think that if Silat joined up that he would be a match for an Apostle.
Only the Skull Knight could ever be a worthy ally to Gatts. But It's imporbable he would join. He's more of an outside force, sort of watching and helping them along the way to point them in the right direction.


There's going to be some kind of huge equalizer that will change all that, and bring some power onto Gatts' side. I don't know if he'll resort to using his Behelit, or what....but something will change it.

Azrael wrote:I don't know if he'll resort to using his Behelit

One very big HELL NO. Guts will not use the behelit. What is the point of becoming what you hate to kill what you hate. He would want to kill himself if he did that. He would not use the behelit.

Right, I realize that. But then why does he keep it?
IF he really hated it, he'd have probably have given it to the Skull Knight.

He must have plans for it.

This has been discussed way too many times. Guts cannot use the Behelit. Period. If he is keeping it, it's because it's the only way to reach the Godhand. Remember what happened when he killed the Count? That's why he's keeping it.

Azrael wrote:Right, I realize that. But then why does he keep it?
IF he really hated it, he'd have probably have given it to the Skull Knight.

He must have plans for it.

He kept it originally so he could find away to use it to get to Griffith, though now that he is in the real world he no longer needs it for that purpose. I think now he wants to bring it to elfhelm and have someone look at it. Maybe the Elf King or someone else may be able to help him get more answers about it. Remember he asked Flora questions about it.

Edit:

Femto wrote:This has been discussed way too many times. Guts cannot use the Behelit. Period. If he is keeping it, it's because it's the only way to reach the Godhand. Remember what happened when he killed the Count? That's why he's keeping it.

I missed this while typing my post so adding it in here now. Exactly my point.

Ah, okay. Gotcha.
I had forgotten that.

Starnum wrote:Gatzz: You know, it’s possible that SK’s longevity could have something to do with something that hasn’t been revealed yet. Just as it’s just as possible it was the armor, or even a brand. Anyway…did you call us idiots?

Cant remember if I did...
Could indeed be something that hasnt been revealed yet.
I take back my statement.

Azrael wrote:Only the Skull Knight could ever be a worthy ally to Gatts. But It's imporbable he would join. He's more of an outside force, sort of watching and helping them along the way to point them in the right direction.


There's going to be some kind of huge equalizer that will change all that, and bring some power onto Gatts' side. I don't know if he'll resort to using his Behelit, or what....but something will change it.

The Skull Knight and Guts have a similar objective "to destroy a member of the gods hand" I don't think it would be to far fetched to assume sooner or later they will join forces to complete there goals.

As for Guts using the behelit i doubt he would ever use it to become an apostle, but i wouldn't doubt it if the idea crossed his mind, sacrificing someone close to him to become more powerful, powerful enough to take on anything, image the power he would have if he became an apostle, since he is already stronger than many of them. still he never would, he cares for caska's safety more than killing Griffith "which was proven early in the manga" and he hates Griffith to much to become what he is, to make the choice he did.

Concealed_Rage wrote: As for Guts using the behelit i doubt he would ever use it to become an apostle, but i wouldn't doubt it if the idea crossed his mind, sacrificing someone close to him to become more powerful, powerful enough to take on anything, image the power he would have if he became an apostle, since he is already stronger than many of them. still he never would, he cares for caska's safety more than killing Griffith "which was proven early in the manga" and he hates Griffith to much to become what he is, to make the choice he did.

Actually i don't think that it crossed his mind, because Guts knows that he cant become one. [that's why most of people are saying to read manga carefully] And that's because God Hand said that themselves, to become a God Hand member you have to be "chosen by destiny" and Guts wasn't. The half naked girl-God Hand was saying that it would be great if Guts would join them but like i said he's not the chosen one. Anyway Guts has enough power as for now with that Armour of his.

panic wrote:

Concealed_Rage wrote: As for Guts using the behelit i doubt he would ever use it to become an apostle, but i wouldn't doubt it if the idea crossed his mind, sacrificing someone close to him to become more powerful, powerful enough to take on anything, image the power he would have if he became an apostle, since he is already stronger than many of them. still he never would, he cares for caska's safety more than killing Griffith "which was proven early in the manga" and he hates Griffith to much to become what he is, to make the choice he did.

Actually i don't think that it crossed his mind, because Guts knows that he cant become one. [that's why most of people are saying to read manga carefully] And that's because God Hand said that themselves, to become a God Hand member you have to be "chosen by destiny" and Guts wasn't. The half naked girl-God Hand was saying that it would be great if Guts would join them but like i said he's not the chosen one. Anyway Guts has enough power as for now with that Armour of his.

For starters it had crossed his mind. When he was traveling with Casca and you actually see the inner demon talking to him, it tells him how easy it would be, to just kill her. And he starts to strangle her before he snaps out of it and realizes he doesn't want to do that.

Also only 5 people can be a God Hand there are only 5 fingers. Also only Crimson Behelits can be used to become a God Hand. What they were referring to was him becoming an Apostle.

Yeah, I think Gatts' behelit is green.
Dunno what exactly that'll do...

But even if he wasn't chosen by fate....
Gatts has already been established as one who lies outside the boundaries of fate.
He's escaped his supposed fate at least twice now.

Once, in birth, and secondly in the Eclipse.

So it's possible that he can defy fate again.

EDIT: Not saying that he will, but it's certainly possible for him to use it.

He can defy fate yes, but you have to follow fate to become an apostle, so him defying it wouldn't make a difference. Not to mention, even if it was possible he wouldn't do it. Cause the only thing worthy of him to sacrifice is Casca and she means to much to him for him to sacrifice.

Umm...Thats the point. You're supposed to sacrifice something you love most.