Evil Genius

Well that's the kind of idea I initially tried to convey, but we got lost in how to define efficiency. Ah the goodness of being proficient in english...
Personally I'm not complaining about Naruto's amount of Chakra, cause the only one that competes with that was Gaara, another Jinchuuriki. Naruto seems to have even more than Gaara (look at 292, with only 3 tails!), but Naruto is the Kyuubi's container: the whole leaf village could'nt get rid of it, that amounts to an assload of chakra. Others "normal" ninja's don't have that much chakra. It is Naruto strong point, and that's normal.
Last point, I can't believe there's no way for a beast like the Kyuubi to freed himself from the fourth's seal. I mean, Oro found a way to recover his arms right?

Starnum wrote:You're missing the point here, which is that he's efficient with his BUNSHIN! That's all that's being said. When it comes to Bunshin, he's the man, and that's all there is to it. Now that he only needs a few in a straight fight, it only further proves the point. As for the rest of his ninjutsu, until we get to see him do some more, I'll agree that that is still debateable.

Once again, I'm not disputing that Naruto's greatest asset is his massive amounts of chakra, but that's not the point here.

His bunshins were efficent in ONE fight and it was against Gaara.

Tell me another time he has used them effiecently?

nice avatar libaax. I have to agree that naruto can be effective but never efficient because he fights on emotion and went you let your emotion control you then you fight with reckless abandon the majority of the time which doesnt make your fights very efficient

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Yeah Naruto is too much emotion,i hoped he would fight with his brain once in a while but he never does.

I think at the second bell test he used them pretty good. Since he couldn't move in the air he used a bunshin to move him out of the way. Or when he outsmarted Kakashis bunshin in the same chapter.

Starnum wrote:I don't know Grahf, Naruto has always been pretty effective with his Bunshin. He grew up as a trickster, and it's come out in his ninjutsu. There have been many times when he's tricked one of the bad guys with his bunshin. Shit, remember when he used Henge to appear as a Kage Bunsha, and then Sasuke threw him, so he could get past Zabuza to free Kakashi. You can't say shit like that isn't efficient. Yeah, there's no denying that Naruto has an excessive amount of chakra, and that's his greatest access, or even that he's not that great at some of the other types of Ninjutsu. However, he's become a lot more skilled since training with Jiraiya. I don't think he could train for 3 years with one of the legendary Sannin and not get better. Even when he's just using Bunshin for a straight fight, he's become more effecient. He used to use a massive horde of them, but now he's only using like 3 or 4, and I think that's awesome. I just don't think you're giving him enough credit. *shrugs*

Yes he is a trickster yes he does get over on people but...... Again the sucfcess rate of what he does isn't high at all. I forgot about teh Zabuza conflict. Thats true he was successful there. But there are other times when he has been caught with things he had no business being caught in. Of course I don't give him credit because he doesn't deserve it at all. Again I feel that alot of people just write him off because they think that he has no power left, but he doesn't.

In the end Naruto gets no credit and no respect from me. He is not Shikamura.

isse-pisse-päron-pung wrote:I think at the second bell test he used them pretty good. Since he couldn't move in the air he used a bunshin to move him out of the way. Or when he outsmarted Kakashis bunshin in the same chapter.

Yeah he was very clever then but thats what makes it more annoying. You see that he has improved both skillwise and tactic wise and what does he in fights? He just goes into kyubi mode and acts like a damn animal.

Kyubi was fun against Sasuke but its getting very old that he just whips him out instead of showing his own moves like he use to before.

SPOILER FROM 292

However now we will get to see Naruto either get his demon stolen from AKatsuki or he will be forced to control it since he knocked out Sakura heheh.

I like how Sai thinks he can do something against Naruto or Oro.

"now my secret mission starts" heh


Kyubi wont get stolen but Sasuke will show up and show that Kyubi Naruto is joke that powers isnt anything with skill.

isse-pisse-päron-pung wrote:I think at the second bell test he used them pretty good. Since he couldn't move in the air he used a bunshin to move him out of the way. Or when he outsmarted Kakashis bunshin in the same chapter.

It still took the 2 of them far too long to get the bells. So his earlier clones were sucessful but at the same time it just adds to my arguement that he isn't efficent. In the end his clones really didn't win them the battle. It was like a jet using its afterburners.

edit: Efficent IMO is exactly what Itachi did to Sasuke. Beat his ass without using any kind of moves or anything else. He just decided at the end to use that special Sharingan but at that point the whole thing was already done.

I don't see how you could make use of those bunshins any better when you make one in the air to save you from getting hit tbh. That is efficient =).

For once Naruto/kyubi is doing some great. The chakra ball attack against Oro was fricking powerful to blow away his special defence.

But Oro suprised me for once by how fast he attack with his tongue sword.

Well, the fight so far is cool, but "long-neck" Orochimaru was a little retarded.

It was retarted but it was quick thinking of him and he actually hurt Naruto/mini kyubi.

Oro just shows how much more Badass he is compared to Jiriaya (even though I'm a Jiri fan). I don't see why Oro was so concerned about taking Sasuke over Itachi. Either Itachi is just that strong or Oro is overating him.

Libaax wrote:It was retarted but it was quick thinking of him and he actually hurt Naruto/mini kyubi.

Did we actually saw how Naruto was after that?

We saw pinned to the rock wall.



Grahf: Oro is scaried of Itachi it must be cause of his sharingan blood limit moves like manga sharingan. Otherwise he wouldnt bother with Sasuke if he could close the gap to Itachi in another way.

Jiraya is much more badass. His moves are alot better sad that we dont see him fight.

Kyubi can't get hurt from a cut like that. With his chakra, he'll heal up in no time.

well 296 translation is out already. Just a waste of a chapter and a fight IMO. Nothing was resolved but then again we might have something in the next chapter.

yeah like regular naruto coming back

hope not! he's more useful in that form than in his regular human form .

Libaax wrote:

Jiraya is much more badass. His moves are alot better sad that we dont see him fight.

Yeah I would like to see more of what he can do, and other characters I wish you got to see the moves of like Neji's father ect.