Superhero comics and other comics.

Post by **Femto** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:00 pm

Eldo wrote:Barry Allen only appeared for about 10 seconds or more followed by Max Mercury and Johnny Quick.

That's the part I'm talking about, genius.

Also, Mark Waid's run on the Flash might be the best major superhero run ever.

Everyone should check it out.

The art is mostly terrible (comics in the '90s and whatnot) but the character development is just amazing.

Post by **Tempest** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:43 pm

For some reason I couldn't help but laugh at the very end of Infinite Crisis.[lame pun]I guess the Joker got the last laugh after all.[/lame pun]

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:03 am

I loved the end when Joker came and killed him.

I was like where is Joker? through the hole event. I thought nobody loves chaos more than him.

Liked how he told Alex, he shouldnt have forget about him

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:46 am

I was just reading the JLA graphic novel New World Order, by Grant Morrison.

I found it humourous how those aliens were executing Marvel heroes at the beginning of the issue.

Also, Trials of Shazam. Being a big Captain Marvel fan, I like it. I'm not too keen on Freddy being the next Shazam, but it's too early to dismiss it.

What I like about DC is that, they have their special events planned out in advance. There has been hints of a 'crisis' a year or two in advance. This is the difference between Marvel and DC, which is planning. Marvel just goes, 'OK, let's do this House of M/Onslaught/Civil War thing, if you had some storylines plotted out, too bad, change them'.

I had to see I didn't expect the Joker to appear at the end. That was a good closing.

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:24 am

I like Trails of Shazam for one thing, its cool seeing Billy become the new wizard. I hope they go with that even after the mini.

We have already seen him act crazy in 52 cause of seven sins driving him crazy. I want to see more about Billy as wizard before he goes back to being CM. I agree no one else should be CM specially not Freddy.

Captain Marvel has grown alot on me lately. His part of Kingdom Come i loved. How in the end he was like he was before becoming a pawn for Lex.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:44 am

What's weird is, Billy said that he's still Captain Marvel...and that Freddy will become Shazam.

Strangely enough, in the latest issue, it's quite different here. I'm not going to say anything in risk of spoiling it.

However, there has been some hints to suggest that Freddy will become Captain Marvel in the future...what I'm confused about is that Billy tells him Freddy that fate has chosen Freddy to become Shazam, so I'm a bit confused there.

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:16 pm

Is that issue 3?

I have read the first two and didnt see anything about that there.

I like the sound of it, it means Billy wont have to be Wizard for long time.

Also good for Freddy to grow from the sidekick.

Post by **Femto** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:23 pm

I bought Ion because Eldo mentioned it and it's pretty good.

It's good to see that they resolved the whole Kyle Rayner/Hal Jordan hate issue by letting Kyle become his own character and letting Hal be GL again.

The whole "Torch Bearer' thing is pretty cool too.

Action Comics by Johns and Donner is pretty good as well.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:52 pm

I'm a big Kyle Rayner fan. I got into DC reading John Stewart stuff. But I was completely swayed with DC stuff by Kyle Rayner. An amateur wielding the strongest weapon in the universe? I'm a sucker for those type of stories. I find these stories captivating, an unlikely wielder that is not choosen by destiny or fate and has no qualifications whatsoever. I like this type of character development and maturation. I never really liked the whole macho Hal Jordan, but it was because of the controversal Parallax move that I began to read DC stuff.

Kyle Rayner's my favourite DC character. Even more so than Batman. Really. So expect me to be extremely bias.

Post by **Tempest** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:06 pm

Haven't read Ion, but I am a big Rayner fan as well. I enjoy a hero wit ha sense of humor. Not as pun-tastic as Spider-Man has been at times, but I think that Rayner balances business with pleasure pretty well.

I was kind of pissed to hear that DC was brigning back Hal Jordan as GL. Yes he was a fan favorite, and I even liked him a lot, but to cave in on fan pressure like that seemed like they were going to just toss Rayner out of the picture because the fanboys were distraught by the whole Parallax thing. It just seemed like something Marvel would do as opposed to DC. A "Because you demanded it and we have no balls, here's a character who made us lots of money we are bringing back to make more money!" While DC has done its fair share of retcons with deaths, I always felt they did it less than Marvel, and better than Marvel (with the exception of the Death of Superman IMHO). Again, I'm not a huge reader, so if I am wrong in assuming this I appologize. I think part of that is like Eldo said, DC has their shit laid out in advance, while Marvel just flies by the seat of their pants. See the Zorn-eto saga for a great example of how Marvel needs to put some of their writers under control. That may be why they started the Ultimate universe, to give writers who really want to shake things up or re-invent c;assic encounters in such a way to keep it from fucking with Earth 616.

Post by **Libaax** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:03 pm

I have just read the latest run by Hellblazer.

Denise Mina should never be able to touch JC again.

The first time in the series 18 years history did i ever read a predictable story as the Empathy is the enemy arc.

Its lucky we will get a new writer, its cool he is a brit and actually from same town as JC

Hopes the new brit is as good as the other brit that made JC was he is today.

Post by **Eldo** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:36 am

Yeah, it's a pretty shit run. I just picked it up recently, don't know what to say about it. Had no idea that Chas and Gemma held a grudge with John now, and with good reason, I guess.

I have to say that I do enjoy The Boys alot. While it's not 'out-preach Preacher' yet, it's quite fun and enjoyable. I like how the superheroes were portrayed like rockstars.

Also, Planetary. While there are some loopholes and some flaws in the story (the concepts that are introduced are great though), I quite enjoy the pacing and the characters.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:21 am

Three things sucked with Mina's run.

1. JC wasnt a mean bastard

2. He wasnt cunny and full of tricks which is what always saves him with alitte help of magic.

3. Why would Chas be angry with John now? He has forgiven him for worse things.

Plus All the engines GN shows he didnt care much about his wife.

Post by **Eldo** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:42 pm

I haven't read anything beyond Azarello's run, so I don't really know what happens to Gemma or Chas.

I just picked up a recent issue of Hellblazer and had no idea what was going on. I don't think it's any good or worth reading, so far.

And also, I picked up Green Lantern. It seems that Geoff Johns is trying to correct Parallax's fault by:

Bringing some corps members back to life.

Claiming that Parallax was another completely different entity. That's like saying, 'the gun made me kill people'. Geoff Johns' way to place the blame on something else and make Hal Jordan completely innocent.

While I do like Geoff Johns scripts, his storylines don't seem to make complete sense.

Well, I'm skipping out on Green Lantern, never really like Hal to begin with, and the decision to bring me back is what's repelling me as well.

Post by **Libaax** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:04 pm

Mike Carey's run is good and has very good artist in Manco. If nothing else you should read cause the devil is back to fuck up Constantine and this time its not as easy for Constantine.

Plus All his engines is also by Carey. Its good cause JC is mean,full of tricks and deal with several demons at once in LA.

Mina's run you can skip but not Carey' its actually good specially compared to the shit that was Az run.

Post by **Tempest** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:02 am

Eldo wrote: Claiming that Parallax was another completely different entity. That's like saying, 'the gun made me kill people'. Geoff Johns' way to place the blame on something else and make Hal Jordan completely innocent.

Boo-yah Jim. I was reading Emerald Twilight and thinking, "Wow, so this is what happens when you push someone with almost limitless powers over the edge. That really makes Hal Jordan seem human." Then we find out Oops, Hal Jordan would never do that, it was all Parallax and we can just retcon this back to conveniently explain a few more things and make Hal into a Boy Scout again.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:54 am

I actually did like Final Night, where Parallax...oops, I mean the 'infected' Hal Jordan, sacrificed his life to re-ignite the sun, and was given a hero's farewell and a funeral and everything. Ron Marz did use a plot device to get Hal back, but I think it was great he didn't fall under the pressure to re-use him. Because that particular storyline was retarded.

Apparently, Parallax is like the Chinese flu, it's a big fucking yellow monster. From what we saw in Rebirth, it's contagious as well. Or it's an STD.

Post by **Tempest** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:11 am

It's also a convenient reason why new GL's have the weakness towards yellow, or so I've been told by the Green Lantern Corps comic that I read.

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:37 am

Speaking about Green lantern, i am reading JLA v3 right now cause Grant Morrison.

I must say i dont like Kyle Rayner. I have read him before in crisis and other mini books that he was in alittle. But reading a book he is starring in is annoying as hell.

Eldo by the way is there a modern GL story that stars John Stewert? I mean really stars in not appears in a second only.

Post by **Eldo** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:36 am

Libaax wrote:I must say i dont like Kyle Rayner. I have read him before in crisis and other mini books that he was in alittle. But reading a book he is starring in is annoying as hell.

Quite the opposite for me. While John Stewart was the reason that I was remotely interested in Green Lantern, Kyle Rayner was the real reason why I started reading it.

I didn't like Hal Jordan. There wasn't much room for character development, was there? Kyle Rayner started off fresh, and for the reasons I made in previous posts. Hal Jordan was too macho and arrogant, Kyle was loose and, well, he was like a normal person. It's a pleasure to watch him battle his self doubts and watch his confidence build up.

As for John Stewart, there hasn't really been the main character of any modern series of his own, just like Guy Gardener (discounting his Warrior days). He may take a more central role in the upcoming Green Lantern issue, as his 'undercover' mission will be revealed. But the only time I've seen him is from JLA and GL, and never really starred in his own exclusive series.

Post by **Libaax** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:12 am

One good thing i can say about Kyle is that atleast he makes me feel something about him. Hal Jordan is soo bland that i dont even care about him. Sucks he is in the new JLA. Would have been better with even Kyle and Gardner.

When i say starts i mean stories he has a role to play,not stories he is the main character in. Not his own comic or something. Like the old Mosaic saga where he had a role.

In these days where they throw minority groups characters in our faces like the new lesbain Batwoman(which i despise cause she doesnt belong in bat family) you would think they would give the only semi big black superhero in DCU some more airtime. He is one of the reason i cared about the rest of DCU when i only read Batman family comics. Him being awesome in JLA animation is what made me look into GL and the rest DCU.

I do like the power of GL its not that i dont like Kyle and Hal.

Gardner is alright.

Post by **Eldo** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:36 am

Libaax wrote:When i say starts i mean stories he has a role to play,not stories he is the main character in. Not his own comic or something. Like the old Mosaic saga where he had a role.

Hm, maybe check out some JLA classified, or something like that. He did used to be leader of the Darkstars, and I think he had their own comic or something. No real clue, really.

I can't really think of many black superheroes in the DC universe, but there's a couple in the Marvel universe, like Black Panther, Luke Cage, Blade, etc. Too bad the comics for them sucks.

The current Batwoman was a nod to the Silver age or whatever era's Batwoman, who was Kathy Kane. She is technically in the Batman family, historically, but not really so much in this era.

Post by **Tempest** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:01 pm

Eldo wrote: I can't really think of many black superheroes in the DC universe

Off the top of my head:

GL John Stewart (Duh)
Black Lightning
Firestorm
Mister Terrific
The Spectre (Okay, technically his host is black, but he deserves a nod)

Post by **Libaax** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:09 pm

Eldo wrote:
Libaax wrote:When i say starts i mean stories he has a role to play,not stories he is the main character in. Not his own comic or something. Like the old Mosaic saga where he had a role.
Hm, maybe check out some JLA classified, or something like that. He did used to be leader of the Darkstars, and I think he had their own comic or something. No real clue, really.

I can't really think of many black superheroes in the DC universe, but there's a couple in the Marvel universe, like Black Panther, Luke Cage, Blade, etc. Too bad the comics for them sucks.

The current Batwoman was a nod to the Silver age or whatever era's Batwoman, who was Kathy Kane. She is technically in the Batman family, historically, but not really so much in this era.

I know the history but she was deleted long ago and this parody of Batwoman that is new now better go to the same fate.

Post by **Eldo** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:35 pm

Tempest wrote:Off the top of my head:

GL John Stewart (Duh)
Black Lightning
Firestorm
Mister Terrific
The Spectre (Okay, technically his host is black, but he deserves a nod)

I can't believe I forgot about them.

Actually, I can't believe I forgot about Mister Terrific. He's one of my favourite characters. Don't care about Firestorm or the Spectre.

I was thinking along the lines of who has their own title comic.