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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:34 pm
by Femto
Well, I'm guessing that he's still technically a God Hand. I'm assuming that if things don't work out for Griffith for whatever reason, he can just go back to his position as Femto. Like Temp said, Apostles still hail him as a king, and he's obviously more than just a human, so it's hard to tell exactly what his status/powers are at this point.
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:50 pm
by psi29a
The egg is the key, the gateway through the vortex. It seems to me that while Griffith is wordly and very detached right now, he isn't Femto anymore at least, not till he goes back to the Vortex. That is not going to be trivial, so far the only way people can become god-hand or go from god-hand to human incarnation is through an egg. Right now, he just seems to be just another Apostle, however he is the most powerful one. If Griffith wanted his full power back, he would have to go back to the Vortex as Femto thus leaving his "earthly" incarnation.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:03 am
by Arresty
I think he is still a member of the God Hand, just doesn't exist in his God Hand form anymore, nor do I think he can freely travel between the worlds. He is just like Guts in that sense. I do think he retained alot of his powers, if not most of them, though. Remember when they shot all the arrows at him and he just sat on his horse and they all missed. Also he can bring the spirits of the deceased back for the family members. We have yet to see if he can do anything else though.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:28 am
by Starnum
Well of course I to also think that Griffith retains all of his powers as the overlord of the God Hand, but we’ve only seen him do some tricks so far. So, I guess we’ll see…
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:36 pm
by psi29a
Starnum wrote:Well of course I to also think that Griffith retains all of his powers as the overlord of the God Hand, but we’ve only seen him do some tricks so far. So, I guess we’ll see…
*nods* He could have all of his powers. I think that is unlikely though and quite frankly, I do believe Guts can very much plow through Griffith right now. Which is something he is unable to do when facing Femto.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:01 pm
by dos.azn
Wandering_Mystic wrote:Serpico haters get on my nerves sometimes. I think he is a really interesting character, and still very mysterious. He is so clever it's scary. I can see how many would mistake his bland facial expressions for a bland character, but if you really feel that way then I think he has you fooled too. Truth is, I get the feeling he is calculating and extremely observant, far more than Guts, and Guts is pretty sharp for all his brawn.
Serpico knows how to wear a mask that drops the guard of most people who interact with him, and the only reason the mother of Farneze could see that he is in fact so twisted is due pretty much only to his long devotion and association with Farneze, who is twisted in an obvious way.
Many of the more slow-witted among you joyfully and inanely point out how Guts would win in a fight with him, especially at full berserker rage w/ armor, etc., but that is completely besides the point to me. Think about it this way: who else besides apostles has ever challenged Guts one-on-one
knowing what kind of a fighter/beast he can be in battle? The list is pretty short, I think, and that in itself is telling of Serpico. He is either really brave, smart, stupid, or all of the above. Also, give Miura some credit peoples. Do you really think he would just pit Serpico and Guts in a fight for no reason?
Sigh, why do I even bother explaining this though? If you haven't heard or thought of this before, I pity you.
(Don't get me wrong though, I love Guts. But Serpico excites me almost equally with his potential and genius)
hmmm looks like theres someone else who also wants to nail his own sister
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:51 pm
by Tempest
Wandering_Mystic wrote:Serpico haters get on my nerves sometimes. I think he is a really interesting character, and still very mysterious. He is so clever it's scary. I can see how many would mistake his bland facial expressions for a bland character, but if you really feel that way then I think he has you fooled too. Truth is, I get the feeling he is calculating and extremely observant, far more than Guts, and Guts is pretty sharp for all his brawn.
Serpico knows how to wear a mask that drops the guard of most people who interact with him, and the only reason the mother of Farneze could see that he is in fact so twisted is due pretty much only to his long devotion and association with Farneze, who is twisted in an obvious way.
Many of the more slow-witted among you joyfully and inanely point out how Guts would win in a fight with him, especially at full berserker rage w/ armor, etc., but that is completely besides the point to me. Think about it this way: who else besides apostles has ever challenged Guts one-on-one
knowing what kind of a fighter/beast he can be in battle? The list is pretty short, I think, and that in itself is telling of Serpico. He is either really brave, smart, stupid, or all of the above. Also, give Miura some credit peoples. Do you really think he would just pit Serpico and Guts in a fight for no reason?
Sigh, why do I even bother explaining this though? If you haven't heard or thought of this before, I pity you.
(Don't get me wrong though, I love Guts. But Serpico excites me almost equally with his potential and genius)
It's good to see a fellow Serpico fan here, despite all the relentless and unjust persecution we endure. You pretty much capped up everything I've thought. I've been trying to educate these guy for a while, but they are just too stubborn. Someday they will see the light. Until then, keep the faith, man.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:55 pm
by Starnum
Okay, I’ve stated this before, but I just want everyone to know where I stand. I really like Serpico. I think he’s a very interesting character, a skilled swordsman, and a master tactician. I just like Gatts more, because I relate to him better. Of course I think Gatts would win in a fight, and I think that denying most odds, that’s the truth. I’m not saying its impossible for Serpico to win, he’d just need to be like five or more steps ahead of Gatts, because not only is The Black Swordsman badass, but he is a genius at fighting as well. However, I too think that who would win in a fight is rather irrelevant. Gatts is the main character, he’s undeniably the stronger of the two in my opinion, but I think I have enough taste to like more than one character, especially regardless of their skills. Shit, I can think of characters from other stories that I love, which have no skills. Thankfully this isn’t the case with Serpico, who is in fact, one of my favorite Berserk characters.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:22 pm
by Arresty
dos.azn wrote:Wandering_Mystic wrote:Serpico haters get on my nerves sometimes. I think he is a really interesting character, and still very mysterious. He is so clever it's scary. I can see how many would mistake his bland facial expressions for a bland character, but if you really feel that way then I think he has you fooled too. Truth is, I get the feeling he is calculating and extremely observant, far more than Guts, and Guts is pretty sharp for all his brawn.
Serpico knows how to wear a mask that drops the guard of most people who interact with him, and the only reason the mother of Farneze could see that he is in fact so twisted is due pretty much only to his long devotion and association with Farneze, who is twisted in an obvious way.
Many of the more slow-witted among you joyfully and inanely point out how Guts would win in a fight with him, especially at full berserker rage w/ armor, etc., but that is completely besides the point to me. Think about it this way: who else besides apostles has ever challenged Guts one-on-one
knowing what kind of a fighter/beast he can be in battle? The list is pretty short, I think, and that in itself is telling of Serpico. He is either really brave, smart, stupid, or all of the above. Also, give Miura some credit peoples. Do you really think he would just pit Serpico and Guts in a fight for no reason?
Sigh, why do I even bother explaining this though? If you haven't heard or thought of this before, I pity you.
(Don't get me wrong though, I love Guts. But Serpico excites me almost equally with his potential and genius)
hmmm looks like theres someone else who also wants to nail his own sister
Oh so true.
Nah, I agree with Starnum. I like the character, one of the most intersting characters to be introduced. But Guts is better.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:57 am
by dos.azn
no i like serpico too. hes an interesting character, but he really ticks me off sometimes of how he still thinks he can beat gutts in a fight, when the difference of power is clear even without the berserker armor
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:16 am
by Femto
dos.azn wrote:no i like serpico too. hes an interesting character, but he really ticks me off sometimes of how he still thinks he can beat gutts in a fight, when the difference of power is clear even without the berserker armor
Definitely. No matter what Serpico does or what strategy he uses, Guts is just raw power, you can't beat that. I mean, the guy kills Apostles and we know all the shit those guys can do.
Still, what Miura is doing here is really smart. I mean, there is pretty much no doubt that Guts will destroy Serpico in the coming battle, but Serpico is not using his wind sword thing yet. That would give him a great advantage over Guts, and it would more or less even things out I think. Miura is leaving us something to look forward to in the future with this. Unless he decides to pull some crazy shit in the next couple of chapters that is.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:20 am
by dos.azn
im pretty sure serpico left the wind sword behind when he left, for the safety of him and farnaze. if someone caught him with witches magic such as that, he'll prolly be executed, and perhaps farnaze too.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:15 am
by Brainpiercing
I think his cloak and the wind sword was with the package of Farneze's stuff that he brought back to the inn place, but I'm not sure.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:20 am
by Arresty
The cloak and wind sword were both brought back to Guts when he brought them the paper a few chapters back. Also y'all are not giving him enough credit in this situation. Guts is smart and powerful, and you keep saying how the pillars will not be a problem for him, but how many building do you know of that can withstand having a ton of its pillars knocked out without coming crashing down. Guts can't just go swinging at every pillar. He has to be careful or the roof will come down on him. That is also part of Serpico's strategy I am sure.
I mean I am pretty sure Guts will notice it before he has a ton of stones land on his head, but even if he knows about it he is still limited. He then has to make sure his hits can hurt Serpico, or that he can take the roof out over him instead. That is why this is more evenly matched then most people think.
Edit: One of these days I am not going to be paying attention through the spell check and offend some Hispanics. You notice what it suggests for Serpico. Sorry Femto and any others in advance.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:32 am
by Femto
Meh, I don't get offended that easily. You could call me whatever you want straight on and I wouldn't mind.
Anyways, back to Guts/Serpico. While it is true that Guts could bring the whole structure down, who do you think would have more chances of surviving in such as situation? Guts with his Berserker armor or skinny old Serpico? That being said, I'm sure Serpico has something else under his sleeve. The first time he fought Guts he created many more than just one disadvantageous (is that even a word?) situation for him. I'm sure there's more to this fight than just pillars. I still stand though, he won't be able to take on Guts just with just his wit, you need firepower too.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:45 am
by Arresty
Well with those pillars, I would assume only a small location would fall, not the whole building. So I am assuming he would be doing more just trying to set Guts up to cause it to fall on himself, but you are right about him having something else up his sleeve.
Also as annoying as that Finito guy was with his whole Miura sellout bit, it would be interesting to see Serpico win, or be winning when the fight gets called off for the giant beast situation, or any other event that may arise.
Off topic: Did the spellcheck say it was right, either way anyone with an IQ higher than Bush can figure it out. I wouldn't have noticed had you pointed it out.
Off topic 2: Actually know a Jewish guy who goes by Kike and a mexican who goes by Spic. So I do know some people who don't care. I just know one day I will send it out there, and I don't want anyone offended by my mistake. Though other then you, the odds of someone seeing that small little apology are slim so oh well.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:57 pm
by mcummi2
Is anyone else reminded of Guts fight with Griffith when he decides to leave the hawks. Serp reminds me of Griffith so much its not even funny. Both of them are very tatical, skinny, a little gay, and they both use a very similiar weopon. I find it difficult to imagine serp as being quite as bad ass as Griffith was I mean, Griffith went through hell while building up the hawks, his skills honed by real battles not some noble duels.
Remember what happended when Guts and G fought. One swipe,no more sword griffith, and that was when Guts was a hell of a lot slower and weaker. But then again he has been looking pretty sickly latley. I think Guts won't go phycho to beat serp. If Guts did go full berserk there is absolutely nothing Serp could do to stop him. Anyway I will just like to seen Serp learn his place, Guts is was able to surpass All other humans a long time ago. the last human that could fight Guts was the general of the Chuda army, Bascon, or something. And that was forever ago, before Guts trained on his own with Godo, before the eclipse, before the dragon slayer, before the battles with the count, that fairy monster, and that rock priest guy, and before the berserk armour. I would almost be insulted if Serp stood a chance.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:41 pm
by Wandering_Mystic
Arresty wrote:Edit: One of these days I am not going to be paying attention through the spell check and offend some Hispanics. You notice what it suggests for Serpico. Sorry Femto and any others in advance.
Actually, in Chilean spanish slang, pico means dick, so there is even more going on with that name.
lol, actually, I can't believe I didn't see either of those before now!
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:01 pm
by dos.azn
mcummi2 wrote:Is anyone else reminded of Guts fight with Griffith when he decides to leave the hawks. Serp reminds me of Griffith so much its not even funny. Both of them are very tatical, skinny, a little gay, and they both use a very similiar weopon. I find it difficult to imagine serp as being quite as bad ass as Griffith was I mean, Griffith went through hell while building up the hawks, his skills honed by real battles not some noble duels.
Remember what happended when Guts and G fought. One swipe,no more sword griffith, and that was when Guts was a hell of a lot slower and weaker. But then again he has been looking pretty sickly latley. I think Guts won't go phycho to beat serp. If Guts did go full berserk there is absolutely nothing Serp could do to stop him. Anyway I will just like to seen Serp learn his place, Guts is was able to surpass All other humans a long time ago. the last human that could fight Guts was the general of the Chuda army, Bascon, or something. And that was forever ago, before Guts trained on his own with Godo, before the eclipse, before the dragon slayer, before the battles with the count, that fairy monster, and that rock priest guy, and before the berserk armour. I would almost be insulted if Serp stood a chance.
lol das so true its so funny
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:35 pm
by Arresty
Maybe its all this oppostion but now I am cheering for Serpico. Damn, what has happened to me.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:55 pm
by Wandering_Mystic
Hell, I've always cheered for underdogs, maybe because I can more closely identify with them. In fact, that's why I usually cheer for Guts. Sure he may be terrifyingly strong, but against apostles, his own inner demons, and destiny itself, his life has constantly been a battle in which he should have always lost. The fact that he has pretty much trampled his way forward so far is actually pretty deceptive, because it gives the illusion that you can take victory for granted when it comes to Guts. The reality from his perspective is probably closer to constant uncertainty of his future, with a few powerful emotions and a mysterious tenacity to live being the only thing that keeps him going against all odds. I wouldn't be surprised if he treasures every breath he takes, even if he doesn't really display those kinds of emotions for all to see.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:06 pm
by Necromancer
Wandering_Mystic wrote:Hell, I've always cheered for underdogs, maybe because I can more closely identify with them. In fact, that's why I usually cheer for Guts. Sure he may be terrifyingly strong, but against apostles, his own inner demons, and destiny itself, his life has constantly been a battle in which he should have always lost. The fact that he has pretty much trampled his way forward so far is actually pretty deceptive, because it gives the illusion that you can take victory for granted when it comes to Guts. The reality from his perspective is probably closer to constant uncertainty of his future, with a few powerful emotions and a mysterious tenacity to live being the only thing that keeps him going against all odds. I wouldn't be surprised if he treasures every breath he takes, even if he doesn't really display those kinds of emotions for all to see.
Yeah, that's why I love Berserk and Naruto, the struggling underdogs.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:14 pm
by Tempest
Arresty wrote:Maybe its all this oppostion but now I am cheering for Serpico. Damn, what has happened to me.
Mwahahahahaha! Slowly they begin to understand....
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:34 pm
by Sandman
Serpico is very hard to read thats what I like about him. but in a fight Guts will always come out a live, he can stop FATE. Serpico may be able to bring the roof around Guts head but that is probably not all he wants. He wants to stop the ball and get Farnase out of there so he can get some half-sister action.
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:23 am
by Arresty