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But as far as we've seen, the Behelits usually come to people who have very powerful dreams, and are activated when those dreams are shattered. What dream of his could qualify?

I dunno...living up to the family name? Making his father proud or not being a complete loser in the eyes of his family? Think of how incredibly inadequite he must be feeling right now... useless on land and useless on the sea, hes got really nothing going for him but I'd easily imagine he expect or "dreamed" of more for his life...

Lord Rae wrote:

But as far as we've seen, the Behelits usually come to people who have very powerful dreams, and are activated when those dreams are shattered. What dream of his could qualify?

I dunno...living up to the family name? Making his father proud or not being a complete loser in the eyes of his family? Think of how incredibly inadequite he must be feeling right now... useless on land and useless on the sea, hes got really nothing going for him but I'd easily imagine he expect or "dreamed" of more for his life...

Yeah, but those are normal. ordinary person level dreams. Not dreams/beliefs that he has shaped his entire life around.

Even if given a behelit I don't think he would have the balls to use it. I hope we get more crazy demon hell hound pannels next release.

I don't really think magnifico will use the behelit, but lord rae is right that those dreams are good enough to qualify to use the behelit. look at Count Slug. he sacrificed his wife because he caught her doing some pagan rituals and almost sacrificed his daughter so that he could live. i dont think it's the size of the dream that matters, but the amount of desire that the person has to achieve it.

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Istvan wrote:

Lord Rae wrote:

But as far as we've seen, the Behelits usually come to people who have very powerful dreams, and are activated when those dreams are shattered. What dream of his could qualify?

I dunno...living up to the family name? Making his father proud or not being a complete loser in the eyes of his family? Think of how incredibly inadequite he must be feeling right now... useless on land and useless on the sea, hes got really nothing going for him but I'd easily imagine he expect or "dreamed" of more for his life...

Yeah, but those are normal. ordinary person level dreams. Not dreams/beliefs that he has shaped his entire life around.

Exactly, if Mag. qualifies, than everyone else in the storyline would as well....

Doesn't appear that Magnifico really endured tremendous suffering and pain throughout his life up till now, unless you consider being a spoiled rich kid who hasn't lived up to his father's expectations (if only people could be so lucky) or a bout of sea sickness counts.

It seems that Magnifico is purely here for comedic purposes and comic relief. Remember, people who use behelits are governed by fate, and usually have their own dreams or ambitions to aspire to. Magnifico seems only concerned with his own survival, while the actions of the behelit bearers seem to contribute to their own dreams and for their own ends. Magnifico is the kind of guy who would spill the secret plans to the opposition by being drunk, or betray them to save his own life. I guess this could be a plot device that Miura might be taking...I wouldn't know.

I think theres to much of the "comedic purposes and comic relief." in Berserk now a days.. I hope most of guts little team dies so it can go back to good old berserk without comic relief on every page..
Is it just me who feels this way?

Eldo wrote:It seems that Magnifico is purely here for comedic purposes and comic relief. Remember, people who use behelits are governed by fate, and usually have their own dreams or ambitions to aspire to. Magnifico seems only concerned with his own survival, while the actions of the behelit bearers seem to contribute to their own dreams and for their own ends. Magnifico is the kind of guy who would spill the secret plans to the opposition by being drunk, or betray them to save his own life. I guess this could be a plot device that Miura might be taking...I wouldn't know.

That said, the more you think about it, Guts was born to use the behelit, literally. Whether he qualifies by the Godhand standards (predestined/chosen) is still up for debate, considering even members of the GH itself seem at odds over this.

BaNaN wrote:I think theres to much of the "comedic purposes and comic relief." in Berserk now a days.. I hope most of guts little team dies so it can go back to good old berserk without comic relief on every page..
Is it just me who feels this way?

If Casca ever gets her IQ back into double digits, a lot of things are going to have to change regarding the overall tone of the story. Maybe it will switch from funny/violent into romantic/sappy/adventerous....like Indiana Jones.

Maybe it will switch from funny/violent into romantic/sappy/adventerous....like Indiana Jones.

Some things just can not be said. Not even as a joke.

MrFelony wrote:I don't really think magnifico will use the behelit, but lord rae is right that those dreams are good enough to qualify to use the behelit. look at Count Slug. he sacrificed his wife because he caught her doing some pagan rituals and almost sacrificed his daughter so that he could live. i dont think it's the size of the dream that matters, but the amount of desire that the person has to achieve it.

Nah, in the case of his wife, he'd devouted his life to rooting out pagans, and probably so his own family as the ideal of Godly virtue, so his wife being a pagan was shattering his dream. As for his daughter, it's entirely possible that the rules bend a little bit after you've made the first sacrifice. I agree on the degree of desire being the key, but it has to be the kind of level that has a person shaping their entire life around the dream, and Magnifico just doesn't exhibit that.

The Prince wrote:

Eldo wrote:It seems that Magnifico is purely here for comedic purposes and comic relief. Remember, people who use behelits are governed by fate, and usually have their own dreams or ambitions to aspire to. Magnifico seems only concerned with his own survival, while the actions of the behelit bearers seem to contribute to their own dreams and for their own ends. Magnifico is the kind of guy who would spill the secret plans to the opposition by being drunk, or betray them to save his own life. I guess this could be a plot device that Miura might be taking...I wouldn't know.

That said, the more you think about it, Guts was born to use the behelit, literally. Whether he qualifies by the Godhand standards (predestined/chosen) is still up for debate, considering even members of the GH itself seem at odds over this.

I dont think so.....I have always seen Guts as the complete opposite of the god-hand kind of guy.
In the first place, he couldnt be less predeterminated by fate in every single way you look at it. He wasnt even supposed to be born for god sake!!! The Skull Knight always call him "Struggler", as if his very existence was something that goes against the general plan (a.k.a : destiny, fate, etc..).
Besides, Guts never had a dream he could lose (Griffith had a dream, the count had a dream,...... you get the idea).
He still doesnt have any, unless you consider a dream his desire to kill Griffith

I really don't think that Guts would use a Behelit. He's been in at least two situations now where he should have been tempted to the breaking point to use it, and he hasn't. The first time was when he came face to face with Slan; I'd say that the Behelit aligning its facial features could be a pretty good indicator of Guts' temptation. He didn't give in then, even before Skull Knight interrupted. The second time was at the docks, when he found out that Griffith was in the area. Both times, he's nearly mortally wounded with no strength left to fight while staring down the enemies he most wants to kill; I'd say the situations should have evoked in Guts feelings of helplessness that were comparable to the Count's or even Griffith's. If he didn't use that talisman in those instances, I really can't see what could possibly prompt him to use it in the future.

Here's the (scary) thing: I don't think that Behelit is Guts'. He took it from the Count, but I've been getting the feeling for a very long time now, that the Behelit is Puck's. Guts only ever really held onto the Behelit because he thought that it could be used as bait for Apostles of the Godhand. When he found out that he couldn't, he was ready to toss it away. Puck, on the other hand, seems to have grown pretty attached to the thing. In either case, I'd rather see them part ways with the egg; I really can't see any good coming from it.

Yet, you have to admit that an apostle Puck would be fucking awesome. Just the thought of the current homosexual Puckie being transformed in a Super-elf-apostle makes me feel high.
From this moment on I will start editing a picture of Puck so we can see how it would look like. Its gonna be finished in like.....2 days.

Prepare yourself to the most life changing experience you will ever have!!! Prepare yourself to meet..... NOSFERATU PUCK!!!

The Prince wrote:That said, the more you think about it, Guts was born to use the behelit, literally. Whether he qualifies by the Godhand standards (predestined/chosen) is still up for debate, considering even members of the GH itself seem at odds over this.

But Guts wasn't chosen by fate to use the behelit. Void has said this before, and it could be argued that Slann was taunting Guts rather than baiting him to use the behelit. She was baiting Guts to feed on his anger towards Griffith. I would take Void's words over Slann's, since it does seem that Void runs the show in the ceremonies. Those who are sacrifices can't activate the behelit. This theory has been generally accepted and supported by the hints dropped in the manga.

absofflab wrote:The first time was when he came face to face with Slan; I'd say that the Behelit aligning its facial features could be a pretty good indicator of Guts' temptation. He didn't give in then, even before Skull Knight interrupted. The second time was at the docks, when he found out that Griffith was in the area.

With that, the Behelit wasn't aligning its face because Guts was close to activating it, but it was done in the presence of a God Hand. In Guts' encounter with Slann in the cave, Guts felt Slann's presence, and the Behelit's face was aligned before Slann emerged from the intestines of the trolls. The same with Griffith. Hence, the behelit isn't only for summoning the God Hand, but also an indicator of whether if they are in the area.

Eldo wrote:

The Prince wrote:That said, the more you think about it, Guts was born to use the behelit, literally. Whether he qualifies by the Godhand standards (predestined/chosen) is still up for debate, considering even members of the GH itself seem at odds over this.

But Guts wasn't chosen by fate to use the behelit. Void has said this before, and it could be argued that Slann was taunting Guts rather than baiting him to use the behelit. She was baiting Guts to feed on his anger towards Griffith. I would take Void's words over Slann's, since it does seem that Void runs the show in the ceremonies. Those who are sacrifices can't activate the behelit. This theory has been generally accepted and supported by the hints dropped in the manga.

Damn....guess that Slann confrontation mislead me a little. Obviously this subject has probably been analyzed backwards and forwards, so your conclusion is pretty much my standard.

Wow, this chapter was amazing! Thanks, guys!
I'm really liking Rodrick now. When he first showed up I completely dismissed him as some power-grabbing suitor of Farnese's. It's nice to be surprised by characters sometimes. While I like to be surprised by Magnifico, I doubt he'll be given much of a chance. If anything, keeping him around will show Farnese how much more brotherly Serpico has been to her than her full brother. Magnifico will definitely betray them or die very quickly. There isn't any point of keeping him in Gutts's team since he can't fight. And lord knows we don't need more comic relief when we already have Isidoro, Puck, and Evarella.
Berserk has gotten downright cheerful with all these new characters. One one hand, I like all the new characters, I think they all add a lot of the plot line. However, if Gutts is going to go after Griffith (which he will) he'll have to ditch all of them or they'll all end up getting killed.

madonnalal wrote:Wow, this chapter was amazing! Thanks, guys!
I'm really liking Rodrick now. When he first showed up I completely dismissed him as some power-grabbing suitor of Farnese's. It's nice to be surprised by characters sometimes. While I like to be surprised by Magnifico, I doubt he'll be given much of a chance. If anything, keeping him around will show Farnese how much more brotherly Serpico has been to her than her full brother. Magnifico will definitely betray them or die very quickly. There isn't any point of keeping him in Gutts's team since he can't fight. And lord knows we don't need more comic relief when we already have Isidoro, Puck, and Evarella.
Berserk has gotten downright cheerful with all these new characters. One one hand, I like all the new characters, I think they all add a lot of the plot line. However, if Gutts is going to go after Griffith (which he will) he'll have to ditch all of them or they'll all end up getting killed.

Puck is a fucking idiot. Guts should use the ds on him.

i dont think that fairy dust is gonna work or they would use it already . the dust is mostly healing wounds not feaver .
any way they r on their way to the fairy king

It doesn't seem quite right that people use the Behelit, it feels more like the Behelit uses the People. Discussions about Guts using the Behelit are IMHO nonsense....

||||||| wrote:It doesn't seem quite right that people use the Behelit, it feels more like the Behelit uses the People. Discussions about Guts using the Behelit are IMHO nonsense....

I think that it works both ways: behelit is made for person of certain qualities, but also the person is made to poses those certain qualities. Yeah I agree about Guts using behelit being nonsense.

Though I think that Guts using a behelit is total nonsense, it seems like he is going to walk a similar path as the rest of the apostles. The apostles all shed their humanity in order to become more powerful and I believe that power is a physical manifestation of their inner demons. This chapter shows that Guts may be succumbing to his inner demon and if that happens (even for a little while), he'll be like the monsters he has been killing. If Guts does lose control to the wolf, the only thing that may bring him back is his love for Caska and to his comrades. If they all died, Guts would fully succumb to his revenge and be a monster that would be like the apostles. What supports this case as well is that all the apostles sacrificed people they loved (the count sacrificed his wife, and the pirkaf girl sacrificed her parents) in order to get what they wanted. Guts' wolf is doing the exact same thing without a behelit.

Enough of that crackpot theory, here's something more substantial in regards to Guts using a behelit: when the God Hand appears on the Escher stairway (crazy stairs for you Family Guy fans), Slann talks about how Guts' tide of emotions is so splendid that he should be made into an apostle, or something to that extent. I believe that Void then tells Slann that since Guts is branded, he can never be one of them. I would have posted the scan showing this, but I must have not taken my Berserk volumes with me when I came to the dorm.

Guts' has in a sense already shed his humanity. looks at the number of times people have said that he's not human and really a monster. i think we're in a new arc of him becoming more human again, like when he first met the band of the hawks. we all know how well that turned out