Evil Genius

Nosferatu Zodd has defeated over 300 mercenaries in a single fight, and Gutts can fight on par/above Zodd, defeating him while he's in his more humanoid form.

I would assume that without using his Berserk armor, he would be able to kill at least 300. Especially when brought into account how heavy his armor obviously is if Serpico was certain his sword could not pierce it while they were fighting. Not to mention with the Dragonslayer, he can kill 5 men with a single swing. And then he has all of his other weapons (crank firing crossbow, bombs, cannon, throwing knives, knife).

Then with the Berserk armor you could argue with how many whalephants he killed, or the fact that he gave Grunbeld a run way back when, while injured after running into Slan. Grunbeld who commands the apostle soldiers, and can crush an apostle's head with a single hand. I would assume he would easily be his own army while using the Berserk armor, especially if he was in peak form heading into the fight in the first place.

Great chapter though, I'm somewhat disappointed that Gutts now has some sembelence of control over the armor, but who knows how long it will last. Something that made the armor so interesting was the steep disadvantages to using the armor. If Schierke wasn't in the party, there would be no way to stop Gutts before attacking his own party, so it made her an integral part of the party if for nothing else than that. But now if he maintains this control I predict a lot more magic coming from Schierke, and a generally much stronger Gutts as he ends up using the armor more often.

He still has to worry about the damage the armor can do to him though, what with reinforcing broken limbs with metal shards. So nevertheless, he'll still have to be very careful to not lose too much blood.

This shaman guy is going to get his ass handed to him, now that Guts can use his mind, Serpico is able to join the fray

PS I guessed it.

This speculation on how many men guts could kill is stupid. It's a "versus" topic, and we don't like those here.

Brainpiercing wrote:This speculation on how many men guts could kill is stupid. It's a "versus" topic, and we don't like those here.

true that
and the fight wil soon be over (i think) but her certainly has a huge hole in is body. lets hope the boat trip is long enough for gats to recover
3 weeks wait is gonna be hard

newbified wrote:Great chapter though, I'm somewhat disappointed that Gutts now has some sembelence of control over the armor, but who knows how long it will last.

I am not disappointed at all now he can think while attacking use more of his skills that is going to make fights a lot more interesting. This is what all Guts's opponents had on him, was the ability to use all of there skills. Where Guts was always on the attack mode. He is at the next level so to speak I just hope he can do it after Schierke is back in her body.

newbified wrote:If Schierke wasn't in the party, there would be no way to stop Gutts before attacking his own party, so it made her an integral part of the party if for nothing else than that.

She has defeated more foes with one of her magic spells than anyone of the party could do in the same time period.

newbified wrote:But now if he maintains this control I predict a lot more magic coming from Schierke, and a generally much stronger Gutts as he ends up using the armor more often.

I doubt he will use it more often he has already said he will not let the armour take him, and if he keeps believing that you never know it might not.

newbified wrote:He still has to worry about the damage the armor can do to him though, what with reinforcing broken limbs with metal shards. So nevertheless, he'll still have to be very careful to not lose too much blood.

Duh

Anyone notice that the wound is smaller now got to love those regenerative properties

Naw, for the size of those teeth the wound was never very big.

I guess you are right there brain

Naw, for the size of those teeth the wound was never very big.

I'm working under the theory that (being magical in nature) the berserk armor is far, far tougher then normal armor, so the teeth didn't do as much damage as one would think. Frankly, given the size of the thing, I would have expected a normal person to have been bitten in half, not just have a (relatively) small hole punched into their chest.

I don't know; I don't Miura would have done close ups on the wound if it wasn't major...that and the fact that blood is gushing out of his mouth and falling out of the hole of a suit of armor... I think it's pretty serious.

I mean, I hope Miura didn't devote 5 panels to just showing his wound just to have Guts shrug it off afterwards.

Well, it sure is a serious wound, but then it's still riciculous compared to the size of the creature that inflicted it. The berserker armour must be incredibly strong.
Probably the wound will have some effect later, once the fight is over.

Brainpiercing wrote:This speculation on how many men guts could kill is stupid. It's a "versus" topic, and we don't like those here.

It was a simple question, I got my answer, no need to turn into forum admin and -try- to attempt and bash people. One a second note, yeah it looked serious, but it doesn't look like it's having much of an effect on him currently. Like usual Guts wounds only hurt him at the end of the battle *how it should be, nods sagelike*

After he's activated the Berserk armor, wounds can't affect him. It is a serious wound, and I expect it to cause him a lot of trouble after the battle (possibly for quite a while) but right now he's probably only vaguely aware that he's even injured.

Yeah thats why its called Beserker armour, he can shrug of the wounds during the fight but when he is back to normal,the pain of the wound will come back to hurt him.

Man even before the armour Guts could shrug of serious duing the fights.

He sruged off the injuries, but at least he knew his condition. With the Berserk Armour he cant tell because it masks the pain, so he defenitly needs to be more carefull.

Just like when Guts fought against that apostle where Schierkes mentor was.
(Fire dragon Apostle, can't remember the name(vol 27)).

There's only one panel though but she (Schierke) said that Guts had bled for days afterwards and everytime they took him out of the Berserkers armor his wounds reopened making him at almost at deaths door.

So yeah, there might be a possibility Guts will go through extensive pain and suffering .. just like he's been going through for 16 years now :Þ

(Well almost)

The picture of Guts on the last page looks a bit odd to me. Maybe it's the "ears" or the sloping of the helm at the back of the neck, but it just doesn't look right.

For some reason, it reminds me of Skull Knight. I don't know why, other then a few aesthetic details. Perhaps Guts really is intended to walk down the same path as his Berserker-armor-wearing predecessor.

IMO Guts's Will is too strong for the armour to totally invelope him so he will never walk the same path as SK... as for the looking alike, DUH semi-same armour, semi-same Look (although I really dont see it)

Also, I can't see it taking hundreds (or thousands) of years for him to kill Griffith, which is how long SK has been after Void. So I doubt he'll even have time to walk the same path as SK did.

That is very true... although it would be cool to see how good Miura is a gradual aging

Sandman wrote:IMO Guts's Will is too strong for the armour to totally invelope him so he will never walk the same path as SK... as for the looking alike, DUH semi-same armour, semi-same Look (although I really dont see it)

Actualy every fight where the berserker is involved , Guts returns more and
more damaged and eventualy takes more time for our hero to heal and restore his strenght.In vol 28 Guts said that he will be able to prevent those things , but now even Shierkie i caught inside of him.Do you guys seriously think that he will always be able survive these kind of wounds?

Hm, just wanted to say, that even with Schierke being able to allow Guts to gain control of his armour, we don't know if there's some other factors, such as a time limit to his control of whatever. We know the process for Schierke to enter the armour is incredibly dangerous and probably could not utilise the process all the time. I think Miura wanted to show that the armour could be controlled, and I don't think he'll plan to let Guts control his armour properly in the future, even with Schierke's aid (she might refuse as the process is dangerous).

Anyway, I don't think the regenerative nature of the armour is a magical process like Puck's fairy dust. If I recall, the armour reinforces the bones by inserting its blades to penetrate the muscles. If Guts should remove his armour, his wounds would re-open. I'm not quite certain if the healing process is magical or not, I might be wrong.

i doubt this will be a "one step foward, two steps back" scenario concerning the armour.
i believe the armour is evolving rather than regressing.

Quest wrote:i doubt this will be a "one step foward, two steps back" scenario concerning the armour.
i believe the armour is evolving rather than regressing.

I doubt that he will be able to control it everytime he uses it, it's not regressing in a sense, it still stays at the starting point.

Guts is big into training now he has a new tool to train with... I am pretty sure he will try and overcome any thing that tries tol control him

While he may never gain total control of the armor, I can't see someone like Guts never advancing past his current level of control, either. I think he will definately improve his control over time.