Evil Genius

Femto wrote:

RedEyes wrote:*snip*

And you think most of the stuff you said is 'good' by any sense of the word?

I may sound like a nutcase here, but I really believe that religion is slowing down humanity's progress.

Without religion the world would be a dark place, humans need something great to believe in. It would be totaly anarchy if people didnt believe in anything and hadn't any goals.


Also religion is good for teaching people moral if there wasnt any religion there would a lot more crime and other horrible things.

Religion is one of the most profound forces in history - playing many different rolls at many different times.

It has been a force for the preservation of knowledge through times of barbarism.
It has been a force for the subjugation of innocents
It has been a force for the oppression of the masses
It has been a force of war
It has been a force of peace

It has been a force for compassion and terror, a force for love and hate, a force for democracy, freedom, torture and genocide.

Mankind no more needs religion than he needs any other form of governance (for what is religion but a form of governance); but some individuals, it seems, will always need religion. As such, as an institution, it will survive. For good or for evil -- we may never be able to tell

Mankind might not need religion as they did before but even if people arent as religiousas before most people believe in a higher power. Even athiest tell me that they believe in a higher power.

I think people will need religion more as the world gets more horrible.

Libaax wrote:Even athiest tell me that they believe in a higher power.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst) n.
1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
2. Non-believer

By definition, atheists don't belive in a higher power. If you don't believe in a higher power, that makes you an atheist -- it's what the word means.

has anyone here actually felt the pain that that kid went through? closest i've come is wanting a girl so bad, not being able to have her, and wanting her out of my head so bad i could almost literally blow it out. unlike him though, I can deal with my problems. (no you will probably NEVER hear about me commiting suicide...and if i do i'll leave a post about it ...)

i have to side a lil bit on femto's side even if he is being a broken record. If you choose to follow some laws and not others, you are still a criminal. Its like telling the court that you shouldnt be charged for theft because you never killed anyone. you still stole. however, i believe god will forgive us if we make an honest attempt at living a good and honest life.

Wow, ok my post is totally gonna be interrupting the whole religion thing you guys have going on, but isn't it a bit off topic?

The kid killed himself over myspace... goes to show how much people dedicate their lives to such a thing.

My little post on my thought of this whole thing.
















just found out that the kid was from Mission Viejo, thats 10 minutes from where im at... how can you be lonely there?? you could never be bored (or bored of any girls, since there are soo many) in SoCal and shit is pretty much in the heart of SoCal.

Libaax wrote:Even athiest tell me that they believe in a higher power.

Maybe you're thinking about pagans...

MrFelony wrote:i have to side a lil bit on femto's side even if he is being a broken record. If you choose to follow some laws and not others, you are still a criminal. Its like telling the court that you shouldnt be charged for theft because you never killed anyone. you still stole. however, i believe god will forgive us if we make an honest attempt at living a good and honest life.

Living a good and honest life... The set of rules we are supposed to follow depends on the religion we choose. So, which one should we choose? Most of the major religions assume that it is the only truth. So the followers of other religions should be "in a wrong path". Are they all going to end up in Hell? If the answer is "no", then what is the point of following your religion - lets say religion A-, as I might end up in heaven by following religion B as well. If the answer is "yes", then the problem is even bigger. Then there are hundreds of millions of people out there following religion B, and they sincerely think that you'll end up in hell after living "a good and honest life".

I won't believe in religion unless God spoke directly to me and gave me a divine order to kill in his name. Just like he did with George Bush. (link courtesy of Killfile)

Killfile wrote:

Libaax wrote:Even athiest tell me that they believe in a higher power.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst) n.
1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
2. Non-believer

By definition, atheists don't belive in a higher power. If you don't believe in a higher power, that makes you an atheist -- it's what the word means.

Thats what i thought too before talking some atheist.

They dont believe in any religion or god but there is a higher power.

Thats bull but still i have heard them say so.

Anyway i will stop being offtopic now, what was this thread about before?

Your "atheist" may be confused and is actually "agnostic".

Libaax wrote:

Killfile wrote:

Libaax wrote:Even athiest tell me that they believe in a higher power.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst) n.
1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
2. Non-believer

By definition, atheists don't belive in a higher power. If you don't believe in a higher power, that makes you an atheist -- it's what the word means.

Thats what i thought too before talking some atheist.

They dont believe in any religion or god but there is a higher power.

Thats bull but still i have heard them say so.

Anyway i will stop being offtopic now, what was this thread about before?

Then they don't fit the bill in being atheist... you are either a theist, an atheist, or agnostic.

wikipedia wrote:Theism is the belief in one or more gods or goddesses. More specifically, it may also mean the belief in God, a god, or gods, who is/are actively involved in maintaining the Universe. This secondary meaning is shown in context to other beliefs concerning the divine below.

So if that is a theist, then an atheist is the opposite, meaning... nadda. No God, No un-moved mover, no higher power.

Agnostic is that you don't care either way, it does not concern you.

You can be... spiritual I guess. Once you start getting into that, it just gets weird. My def of weird is stuff that defies logical reasoning. Yes, Quantum Mechanics is weird...

These are illusions of popular history which a successful religion must promote: Evil men never prosper; only the brave deserve the fair; honesty is the best policy; actions speak louder than words; virtue always triumphs; a good deed is its own reward; any bad human can be reformed; religious talismans protect one from demon possession; only females understand the ancient mysteries; the rich are doomed to unhappiness.

From the Instruction Manual: Missionaria Protectiva
Children of Dune

Religion (emulation of adults by the child) encysts past mythologies: guesses, hidden assumptions of trust in the universe, pronouncements made in search of personal power, all mingled with shreds of enlightenment. And always an unspoken commandment: Thou shalt not question! We break that commandment daily in the harnessing of human imagination to our deepest creativity.

Bene Gesserit Credo
Chapterhouse: Dune

http://www.dunemessiah.com/benegesserit.shtml

edited: removed second post (that is evil, stop doing that), and edited first post with second's content. -- psi29a

Edit by Killfile: Lesson the First: if you're quoting more than you're typing, you're doing something wrong. 'EUGE quote removed because it had no significance.

Yeah but nowadays it seems some people say they are atheist just for sake of it not cause they really think that.

MrFelony wrote:has anyone here actually felt the pain that that kid went through?

Most definitely.

Now, about this whole atheist thing, I just wanted to mention something. I've found that most of the "atheists" I've met, really aren't. If you don't believe in something, then why would you reference it? I don't believe in unicorns, so I rarely speak of them. When they are mentioned, I take the subject very lightly. However, there are so many atheists out there, the ones I've met anyway, who are so damn quick to bad mouth God. I think these people actually do believe in God, at least a little, and they're just holding something against him. Well, they're the hypocrites, and they're also confused and simply displaying misdirected hostility. All the time I hear people who show just how little they actually know about Christianity, as they bad mouth it, and make statements that show that they haven't actually taken the time to research the material that they're so eager to slander. I mean, you don't have to believe it, but at least know what the fuck you're talking about. I've only met a few people who I would actually call "atheist", and you know how they refer to God, well, they rarely do. They don't seem hostile or give me any kind of negative vibes about the subject. They usually seem uninterested, but unbothered by it. I mean seriously, think about how people actually regard things they don't believe in, like pots of gold at the end of rainbows, and then compare that to the supposed disbelief of most "atheists". There's a difference, right?

Now, I know some people do hold things against the religion, or the church, because of the people. I used to be that way too. There are a lot of supposed Christian hypocrites and bigots out there. However, and this goes back to what I'm always saying, people suck...not God.

There's so many damn people out there, including most "Christians", who don't actually know what Christianity is truly about.

It's a common misconception that Atheists don't belive in God. Subtle nuances of the English language matter here.

Theists believe in (at least one) god.
Agnostics don't believe in any gods.
Atheists actively believe that there are no gods.

Consider the difference between the Agnostic and the Atheist. In one case there is an absence of belief in a higher power. In the other there is belief in the absence of a higher power.

It's a whole big thing.

Unfortunately, it's become so "hip" to be an Atheist that most people who profess themselves as such are too daft to understand what it means.

I refuse to categorize myself under any of those labels.

If someone casually asks me about my religion I just don't give them a straight answer because I don't have one myself.

One thing I know for sure is that when believing in god interferes with how you lead your like, well, it's time to start looking for a new hobby.

Heh femto making sense whats is happening.

Femto wrote:One thing I know for sure is that when believing in god interferes with how you lead your like, well, it's time to start looking for a new hobby.

Yeah, maybe. I mean, the laws of our country interfere with my life a bit, but no less than God's. I mean, it's not like I want to go kill people...heh...heheh *looks around*.