Superhero comics and other comics.

Post by **Libaax** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:43 pm

Femto wrote:Damien is probably talking about Azrael.

Fuck him and everything from 90's comics (except for Jim Lee).

Just cause you read crappy 90's comics doesnt mean the 90's sucked.

Maybe you should try nun suphero comics if you read too much of them.

I can tell you its awesome reading diffrent type of comics specially when you read like me many spandex people, i mean real world stuff like Hard Time or messed up stuff like Preacher.

My fav comics are from the 90's like Preacher,Hitman,Hellboy etc

Website · Post by **Damien** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:47 pm

I was never really MUCH into comics, although I do have a tiny stash of comics, I MIGHT just start getting into Deadpool because he is so damn cool.

Post by **Libaax** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:10 am

If you like him without having read his comics,you will love him like crazy when you read it.

I have been reading alot of him lately and i cant get enough of him, he is awesome.

Website · Post by **Damien** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:34 am

I've read a little bit on the net.

Post by **Femto** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:32 am

Damien wrote:http://members.tripod.com/~MitchellBrow ... nisher.jpg

this is the one I was thinking of.

Yeah, that's Azrael (a very shitty character).

And I'm sorry, but most comics from the 90's sucked.

A terrible, terrible time for the medium.

Creatively at least.

Post by **LordMune** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:40 am

Yeah, because... Sandman is crap (I really couldn't care any less about any other comic). Obviously.

Post by **Femto** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:49 am

LordMune wrote:Yeah, because... Sandman is crap (I really couldn't care any less about any other comic). Obviously.

Femto wrote:And I'm sorry, but most comics from the 90's sucked.

Now go home Mr. I'm-trying-really-hard-to-be-a-smartass.

PS: Sandman started in the late 80's.

Post by **Buzkashi** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:02 am

Post by **SarahofBorg** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:31 am

I don't have much to say except I've been thinkin of getting into the golden age Superman comics from the begining.
I normally don't like American comics much but mostly because of the sheer volume of them. Long, long ago I read about the first 70 Spawn comics and was really into that, and I've got a few old Zap comics my dad held onto (but arn't worth crap

), and of course I'm a manga fan but outside of that I have very little experiance with any American comics.
I read the entire Wikipedia article on Superman to start, which really summarizes the basic plot developments of the entire comic from begining to end, with lots of spoilers.
I don't expect I'll read a whole lot of them, but I will start from the begining. I love old things so it shouldn't be too hard to adjust to.
I've been getting into everything Superman in general lately anyway, so it's only natural. Nothing past the golden age comics interests me though.

Post by **Libaax** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:46 pm

Femto wrote:
Damien wrote:http://members.tripod.com/~MitchellBrow ... nisher.jpg

this is the one I was thinking of.
Yeah, that's Azrael (a very shitty character).

And I'm sorry, but most comics from the 90's sucked.

A terrible, terrible time for the medium.

Creatively at least.

Most didnt suck cause it sounds like you read much Marvel which most of thier comids sucked in the 90's. I know cause thier 90's along with clone sage put me out of comics scene.

I cant say 90's sucked cause thier were many special comics and classics. Vertigo,DC,Image,Top Cow had many classics out those days.

I

Post by **Femto** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:33 pm

Image and Top Cow suck and the 90's were terrible.

Maximum Carnage? Onslaught? The Death of Superman and later the electric Superman shit? The foil covers and one million variants? Rob Liefeld?

All of it complete garbage.

Yeah, there's some good stuff here and there, but I shudder every time I think of comics in the 90's.

Post by **Devil_Dante** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:15 pm

What about Spawn? It's a comic made in the 90's right? I think it is a fairly nice one, but then again it's the only comic I've ever read so I might be terribly wrong. The thing I don't like about Spawn is that the story develops rather slow imo.

Post by **SarahofBorg** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:05 am

(cut/paste)
And now I'm readin the original Superman comics.
I went to the comic book store. I found the Superman merchandise section but that didn't get me anywhere so I decided to ask the owner of the store. I went up to him and said "Do you have golden age Superman comics?" The guy practically beamed at the question.
He brought me to a shelf with ORIGINAL Golden Age superman comics (not fakes), which I was rather suprised they had. I laughed and asked him how much Action Comics issue 1 was worth (not that they had it) and he said about a quater of a million bucks.Then I said I meant tradebacks, so he brought me to the tradeback shelf.
First he showed me a book with the dailies, so I clearified what I meant and he finnally brought me to the DC archive collection (they had the whole collection.) I was confused though.
Which would have been better, the first or secound one?

1st:http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1183
2nd:http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1177

The Action Comics had select books, the very first one and some random ones. The other book had the comic that explains Superman's history, and issues 2,3, and 4. The foward of the secound one makes it sound like the background story was the first Superman comic, but nowhere does it claim that it's the first issue of Action comics. So I'm still confused.

The website wanted $50. The comic book store wanted $40. I decided I'd shop around. I went to the local Borders books. Guess what? Same *Exact* book, mere $20. Plus I had a coupon, got it for $16.
So from $50 to $16, I think I did pretty well I got the one with issues 2-4 and whatever.
I might buy the other one later, even if it's $40.

What's amusing was looking around the comic book store at all the superman stuff they had. There must be at least 30 Superman spin offs currently running, certainly more than I could count. God knows I couldn't figure out what the official one was suposed to be.
They had plenty of merch, but one action figure in particular interested me. It was a "collectors edition" and it couldn't have been more than 10 years old. There was absolutely nothing special about this figure that made it stand out from the rest.
But for some reason, it was a whopping $100.

Post by **Libaax** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:18 am

Femto wrote:Image and Top Cow suck and the 90's were terrible.

Maximum Carnage? Onslaught? The Death of Superman and later the electric Superman shit? The foil covers and one million variants? Rob Liefeld?

All of it complete garbage.

Yeah, there's some good stuff here and there, but I shudder every time I think of comics in the 90's.

Yeah but you cant judge a hole decade by two marvel events and one DC.

No forget about that, do you read the Hulk? I am reading The Planet Hulk now and for the first time ever i found Hulk interesting.

Post by **Femto** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:19 am

Yeah, I heard Planet Hulk kicks ass.

I'm waiting for the trade though.

I want to get Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing and Superman: Birthright a few days down the road.

I bought three Ultimate Spider-Man hardcovers the other day and I'm enjoying the crap out them. I honestly cannot see why Libaax doesn't like the series.

At this point in time, I have far more trades than I have time to read them, so I'm trying to slow down with that.

PS: I could mention a bunch of other shitty Marvel/DC events from the 90's. It's worth mentioning that something like Onslaught went on for a fairly long time.

Post by **halfnhalf** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:44 am

SarahofBorg wrote:snip*

do yourself a favor and read..

"World Without a Superman"

"Superman: Red Son"

"Superman: Secret Identity"

and start reading the newly "All Star Superman" by Grant Morrison

so ive been reading Cable and Deadpool, quite possible the coolest story of Cable? Its more of a mutant power version of Cable rather then a bunch of guns, but there are guns still.

Post by **Femto** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:15 am

"Superman: Peace on Earth" is the best Superman story ever.

Post by **SarahofBorg** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:47 am

There's got to be like at least 20 Superman spin-offs on the shelves these days. And I've been told every one of them is the "best ever."
So thanks for the advice, but I'm gonna start from the begining and then read whatever looks good after that.
If I continue reading any Superman comics at all. Honestly, I don't normally read American comics, only on rare occaisions. Other than this the only American comic I ever read (and loved) was Spawn.
But that was long ago and my tastes have changed since.

BTW, I was at the store again today (to return somethin) and I asked about those original golden age comics again. The guy who ran the store said the cheapest was $125.
Not that I was allowed to come close enough to even read the price tag.

Post by **halfnhalf** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:53 am

everything that we mentioned are not spin offs, but stories from different writers and artists perpective. Of everything these are the only comics of superman that you need to read.

You have to learn one thing about american comics, they change, have different writers and artists of the same characters.

On an even more serious note, if you want to read superman, you will read the ones we mentioned, or you just arent reading Superman.

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:22 am

Superman: Whatever happened to the man of tommorow by Alan Moore is amazing.

Femto: USM is good the first few arcs then he starts killing the story. Wait until you see what he does to Venom and Carnage arcs.....

Post by **Quest** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:38 pm

daredevil #86
a real page turner. the last page with punisher... i cannot wait for next issue.

Post by **SarahofBorg** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:08 pm

How could I not be reading Superman if I'm reading the original comics?
I mean, it doesn't get much more original than that.
There's other "versions" of Superman (since you don't like the term spin-off) that are probably just as good and often better than the original, but that doesn't make them any more closer to Being the original.

I don't mind there being differant versions of Superman, but I want to be very familiar with the original first or I won't feel like I really understand it. Plus, I love this old stuff, it's very represenative of its time. Also, Superman just held back less. His enemies often died from heart attacks because he scared the shit out of em

Hell, I read one scene where the villian is being killed by poisin gas and Superman is like "Good! You deserve it!" and he just lets him die without lifting a finger.
Now that's the Superman I like!

Post by **Libaax** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:28 pm

Quest wrote:daredevil #86
a real page turner. the last page with punisher... i cannot wait for next issue.

I read it today and it was the best issue so far by Bru and Lark.

From the talk with the ex-wife to the breaking the deal he had to break to finaly seeing that only Frank can help him out was awesome. Frank is cool,who other than him can read a book like there wasnt even a riot in the most dangerous prison of them all

Matt apparently knows about Frank can go in and out when he wants.

Post by **Eldo** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:09 am

Femto wrote:
LordMune wrote:Yeah, because... Sandman is crap (I really couldn't care any less about any other comic). Obviously.

Femto wrote:And I'm sorry, but most comics from the 90's sucked.
Now go home Mr. I'm-trying-really-hard-to-be-a-smartass.

PS: Sandman started in the late 80's.

Heh. Yeah, Sandman started in the late 80's and they weren't getting any real sales when they first came out. It wasn't until the introduction of Death that the sales started to climb slowly.

When I think about it, it's really Bob Harris editorial decisions that screwed up some X-titles and Spider-Man, especially his involvement with the Clone Saga. I remember reading somewhere that the writers were complaining about him getting too deeply involved with the titles, and not allowing the writers to expand their storylines. I have to agree with Femto to some degree, the majority of the popular titles really sucked. They really do. Onslaught was a disaster. But I have to say that I enjoyed Knightfall and Prodigal of the Batman arcs. They were the ones that first introduced comics to me and I have fond memories of them. I gave up reading comics altogether for a while after the Onslaught arc, started reading again and gave up after Wolverine became Death for Apocalypse, and only started reading again after the Avengers Disassembled.

I can honestly say that my interest for comics sparked again after the Ultimate books were launched. However, I can't say that I enjoyed any of the recent X titles or Spidey titles immensely, the storyline is pretty yuck.

Post by **Libaax** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:52 pm

Batman,Nightwing etc in the 90's was awesome. I enjoyed Knightfall,Knightquest and Prodigal alot. Marvel's x-men,spidey etc was crap until the starts of 2000's. Grant Morrison's New X-men, when Peters spider powers becoming mystikal was when it got good. Bendis Daredevil and Mark Millars's Wolverine run was when Marvel got hot for me. House of M was horrilbe, Decimation beyond stupid other than in X-Factor and Son of M mini.

Hope CW is better than HOM.

About Ultimate line, it was good to read them when you are new to comics like i was but after a while when you have read more of thier 616 versions, they lose thier magic. Only Ultimates and Ultimate X-men are the ones i enjoy alot,the others are just bad remakes.