Evil Genius

su_maverick wrote:ok, forget the berserker possession theory but I still think that there is some element of him being tied to another world that explains his inhuman characteristics.

The only link he has tied to the other world is the Brand. The brand brings him into the interstice, thus on another realm of existance. (I guess you could say.) The only other worldly element that helps Gutts out every once in a while is Skull Knight.

su_maverick wrote:Gatts seems to have more bloodlust (more towards Zodd).

Just don't see where you are coming from here. Guts doesn't care much about Zodd, he only cares about him cause he is in between him and Griffith, if he stepped aside Guts would have no reason to fight Zodd and would not care. He may want to fight him later, but currently he only wants Griffith, he could care less about the rest of the apostles, and the rest of the God Hand, he only wants Femto/Griffith. But currently the most important thing to him is Casca and keeping her safe and hopefully healing her.

that was a typo on my part. I meant more of a bloodlust that SK right now but less than Zodd.

I do think the fact that he was born from a corpse (dead as in the other world) might play into it but thats just me. I think there is alot more to be played at with all the hints layed out throughout the manga. Lets put it this way, if the manga revealed that later on Gatts gained the power to actually fight on equal level against one of the god hand due to the fact he has a stong link to spirits, wouldnt it be believeable because of all the breadcrumbs left throughout the manga? just something ot thinkon

su_maverick wrote:that was a typo on my part. I meant more of a bloodlust that SK right now but less than Zodd.

I do think the fact that he was born from a corpse (dead as in the other world) might play into it but thats just me. I think there is alot more to be played at with all the hints layed out throughout the manga. Lets put it this way, if the manga revealed that later on Gatts gained the power to actually fight on equal level against one of the god hand due to the fact he has a stong link to spirits, wouldnt it be believeable because of all the breadcrumbs left throughout the manga? just something ot thinkon

I think the reason for Gutts being born from a corpse is too show that he is not bounded by fate like so many others. He has faught against fate and destiny his whole life and I think his very birth shows that as well. I don't think any connections to spirits or any thing is happening here.

I always thought the reason that he was outside of fate was because someone outside of fate (SK) intervened when fate said that Gutts would die. Now that he is outside of fate, Gutts has the power to change other people's fate like SK did for him. I think Gutts birth was just an excuse for Gambino to go ape shit on him and blame his wife's death on Gutts.

Let me rephrase that, surviving the Eclipse has put him outside of fate, I just thought his very birth was a type of foreshadowing if you will about how he is in constant struggle with destiny and stuff.

My take on the whole him being born was said by SK after he first left the Hawks. SK told him how he was a struggler and because he was always so close to death he will fight harder than anyone to escape it. I think that is the effect it has. It adds to Guts will to survive. Ever since he was a child he has fought as hard as he coudl to survive. He only feels alive when trying to survive, when fighting for his life. That is I think the importance of that. He was not outside of fate until he escaped from the eclipse. He was still in fate, because he was the key that was used to break down Griffith so he would need the God Hand and need to become Femto. Guts was an integral role in that, he was the most important role in that, therefore proving he was in fate at that point. I think SK helped him escape fate, but Guts helped as well, since Guts faught so hard against the monsters, he fought until SK came, everyone else was dead with the exception of Casca since she was being raped. I think that all just adds to his struggle to stay alive, though in many ways it was a foreshadowing of how his life woudl be. Of how he will always be trying to escape death.

Word, that explanation puts mine to shame.
But yeah, foreshadowing, that was totally the point of Gutts birth.

I ramble alot sometimes, and write big long posts, and I am very opinionated.

And look whos talking.

I don;t blame you if you do. I have posted some long ones in the past, and when I ramble I also repeat sometimes. I often give up in the middle of writing my posts, cause I am too lazy to finsih.

I try to keep my long posts at a minimal, because I'm a lazy arse bastard. I don't participate in giving theories anymore because I'm bound to be wrong and I typed out a long arse post to prove how wrong I am. NO LONG POSTS FOR ME UNLESS IT'S FUNNY...

Or if I feel like it.

Starnum wrote:Yeah, same here Eldo. The only time I post big anymore, is if I've really got something to say. That's how it goes though. These newbies will come around to the same line of thinking eventually I'm sure. Once the new wears off, you're just like, meh.

yeh like when cussing out masterei

I don't know if someone already mentioned it, can't remember every (stupid) theory, if so you're free to flame me to hell.

About Griffiths words about don't feeling anything for his old "friends" anymore. I don't think it's true, I think he can't forget about his old bonds, he saved Caska back there at the Field of Swords and I don't think he did it just because their child wanted to.
He also wanted Rickert to join him and he named his army band of the hawk again.

I think before the eclipse Griffith said a true friend would leave him and fight for his own dream even if it means to fight agains himself. But the truth was Guts was his closest friend, he was the only one who had made him forget about his dream. And he finally noticed it at the time he already lost him because of his own words.
I think it's the same again, he says he feels nothing but he wants him by his side and I think it's also Guts fate to be at Griffiths side that's why he got the behelit but he fights against this fate.
Griffith would have already killed Guts if he was nothing to him 'cause he knows Guts is special and they are somehow equal.

Man, this thread is very newbie friendly...

We should change the title and add something like "newbies welcome" to it...

What ever happened to that thread we had were we discussed if griffith was truly evil or not. Necromancer is that what you were getting at. Whether he is still human in a way and not evil?

Necromancer wrote:I don't know if someone already mentioned it, can't remember every (stupid) theory, if so you're free to flame me to hell.

About Griffiths words about don't feeling anything for his old "friends" anymore. I don't think it's true, I think he can't forget about his old bonds, he saved Caska back there at the Field of Swords and I don't think he did it just because their child wanted to.
He also wanted Rickert to join him and he named his army band of the hawk again.

I think before the eclipse Griffith said a true friend would leave him and fight for his own dream even if it means to fight agains himself. But the truth was Guts was his closest friend, he was the only one who had made him forget about his dream. And he finally noticed it at the time he already lost him because of his own words.
I think it's the same again, he says he feels nothing but he wants him by his side and I think it's also Guts fate to be at Griffiths side that's why he got the behelit but he fights against this fate.
Griffith would have already killed Guts if he was nothing to him 'cause he knows Guts is special and they are somehow equal.

In my humble opinion, only reason he saved Casca was because of the Demon Child. Griffith is a god hand member now, I can't see him having too many emotions. But then again, anything could happen I guess.

Well he did care for them, that is proven through the fact that he sacrificed them. Whether he cares for them now is unknown.

However this is a theory that I strongly believe in.

Currently Gutts is just trying to possibly cure casca and settle down with her.
Griffith is not really a priority. However i believe that Griffith can not truly complete his goals untill his sacrifice is complete. Therefore for him to truly become king he has to make sure that Gutts and Casca are dead. Which means that in the end it will be all about fighting Grifith. Whether or not Casca is cured.

this thread is endanger of becoming knowledgable and smart. somebody help!!!

How about renaming it to "Berserk (not that) Stupid Theories"?

But I really think in some way Griffith wants to get Guts at his side even if it is not clearly declared anywhere.